The Challenge of Comments

by Greg on January 11, 2012

image gleefully borrowed from Lee Wind

Over in the Kidlitosphere, my friends Lee Wind and Mother Reader are the driving forces behind another Comment Challenge, now underway. The short version of the challenge: leave five comments a day for 21 days to create a habit. I'm participating again, as I've done in past years, as are over 130 other bloggers.

Personally, I love getting comments on my blogs. I like the conversation, having my ideas challenged or expanded, and, yes, even the acknowledgement that someone is listening. Still, not all comments are "equal" so to speak, nor does all content really encourage comments (nor does all content encourage the same kind of comment).

In thinking about it, here are a few thoughts I've come up with. As always, I'd love to hear yours in... ta da... the comments!

Creating Comment-Worthy Content

In reading blogs during the challenge, I sometimes find myself unable to really come up with something to say in response to a post. Often, though, I'm almost compelled to chime in. What makes me join in? Here are a few recurring themes:

Confronting an Issue

When a blogger writes about an issue, if that issue resonates with me, I'm very likely to join in the comments. This can be a controversial issue or not, though it's often true that controversy provokes commenting.

Sharing Personal/Professional News

If someone shares news like "I sold my book!", I almost always  join in the celebration. When folks share personal news about life matters, quite often I'll jump in, too. I would note that at a certain point, if there's too much news (particularly publishing process news), I stop commenting, even though I'm still interested.

Sharing Personal/Professional Stories

Different than news, stories about our lives and work can be very interesting - emotional, instructional, funny, etc. - and often are my favorite posts of all.

Inviting Comments

Sometimes it truly is the prompt at the end of/somewhere in a piece that gets me to take action. Certainly, one reason my post The Fib went viral was because I asked people to participate in something (on my blog and elsewhere).  Mind you, this doesn't always work - the content also has to give a reason for people to say something - but it can help grease the wheels.

Posting Original Work

When I see a poem or a piece of art that makes me smile or gasp or react, I am more likely to leave a response than if I see someone talking about their day.

There are other categories of posts that get reactions, too - posts that teach me something, posts that make me laugh, or, in general, cause a strong reaction in me.

Creating Comments Worth Their Virtual Ink

Okay, fine - there's no "worthiness" involved, but it was a nice tie-in with the prior headline. Still, it is true that different comments create different reactions, too. I think comments fall into categories. Here are a few:

Adding Value

This covers a range, but can include everything from sharing an on-topic resource ("great post on book trailers! here's some more information about editing software....") to making connections (either people or ideas) to making folks laugh, even. (I suspect that all other categories of comments fall squarely under this one, at least for me.)

Responding to an Idea/Question

When there's a question in a post, a comment that answers it is fabulous. Building off an idea, or questioning it, can be great, too.

Continuing a Conversation

Sometimes the comment thread is full of reactions, and they build upon each other. Participating in this broader conversation is among my favorite things to do, and I also love it when it happens on my own blog. This is potentially just a variant of "adding value" since a good comment will continue a convo, and that's valuable, but I decided to break it out on its own.

The Acknowledgement

Sometimes, you simply want to say "I read this. I liked it. Thanks!" This happens a lot when I read poems: I simply want the author to know that I liked it. This is one time when a "Yes!" or "Great!" comment feels natural to me, whereas in other situations, I feel like that hasn't been the best I could offer.

Asking Followups

Here at the Happy Accident, folks are constantly asking questions in the comments - clarifications, related issues, and beyond.  This is another way of keeping the conversation going, in a sense, but it's often starting whole new convos.

Again, there are other categories of comments, too, including, I'm sure, some I haven't thought of.

A final thought on comments from me is that I find the community of a blog helps, too. This breaks down to two areas for me: a host who participates in the comments, as appropriate (I am my own blogs' number one commenter, by the way), and a place where commenting is part of what the readership does. It can be hard to leave a first comment, but most active communities have that brave soul or, usually, a lot of them.

What have I missed? This is another reason I love comments: someone's likely to tell me. Perhaps it will be you.

 

{ 35 comments… read them below or add one }

Sandy Brehl January 12, 2012 at 4:36 pm

Thanks for the link to the comment challenge- I’ll give it a go and see what I can discover in the process. Just a tad worried I may not et any other kind of writing done for a while!

Reply

Greg Pincus January 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm

The comment challenge is a good thing, at least for me, in that it always gets me to think of interacting AND it helps me find new blogs. A double win. But work hard not to let it eat up your writing time. That needs to remain YOURS!
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..The Challenge of Comments

Reply

Marjorie (PaperTigers) January 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm

Yes, thanks for the timely reminder about the Comment Challenge…

And, erm, I enjoyed reading this post… It’s good to have both sides of the equation. I love reading the comments we get at PaperTigers too, and would love there to be more. I will ponder your points more deeply… I’ve found that having posts feeding automatically to Twitter makes me think more carefully about my openers (I don’t want to just repeat the title because that would waste Twitter’s precious characters with repetition…), so maybe I need to focus more on wooing readers to leave comments…

Reply

Greg Pincus January 12, 2012 at 7:49 pm

I think it’s a tough thing – wooing readers can work sometimes, but other times it doesn’t make a difference at all, and you feel silly. Eventually, I find, if a blog has a big enough readership, the invitation always works.

And it’s a good point about the automatic feeding and thinking about the openers. in general, when I read posts in a reader, if I’m not hooked early on, I am gone there, too, so it really does matter a ton. I won’t comment if I quickly move on to the next blog….
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..The Challenge of Comments

Reply

jone January 12, 2012 at 7:39 pm

I agree with you, Greg. There’s much to think about. I am finding that time is slipping more quickly these days and just getting to read blogs is a challenge let alone comment. I do try and tweet posts I like.
jone´s last [type] ..Poetry Friday: CYBILS, Poetry Ambassadors, and Thank You

Reply

Greg Pincus January 12, 2012 at 7:52 pm

Jone – You’ve raised an issue I debated including in the post above. I get a lot of what I’d consider “comments” on Facebook and Twitter, but those don’t necessarily show up here. This is a huge change from, say, five years ago when that’s not what happened. But now if I post a link to a poem on Facebook, I might get 10 “likes” or comments THERE but not back at my blog. The content did its thang anyway, even if the blog doesn’t reflect the full bounty. On one level, it’s a shame… but it’s also a choice. We don’t have to link or share or be on other networks. To me, the interaction in general is the goal, though, not just a bunch of comments in one place.

And I think that sharing content is also like an “acknowledgement” comment, but with the bonus of taking action and sharing. It’s a good thing, indeed.
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..The Challenge of Comments

Reply

Ms. Yingling January 13, 2012 at 3:12 am

You forgot this one– post a picture of your dog. In a sweater. Got a LOT of comments for that one!

Reply

Greg Pincus January 14, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Or food. Mention pop-tarts and state your favorite type and I can guarantee responses (though maybe this is “confronting controversy” all over :-) ).
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

Sue Cowing January 13, 2012 at 9:15 am

Thanks for the alert to the challenge. I do want to get in the habit, because I think it’s really important to respond when you find something fresh or thought-provoking on a blog, to encourage what you want to see more of, and to keep up with the community conversation. I hope someday to do a blog of my own, but right now I’m struggling with novel #2, promoting #1, and preparing for three conference appearances this spring, so I can’t even think about setting it up. At our regional SCBWI-Hawaii conference’s break-out session on do-it-yourself book promotion in February, I plan to recommend you as the one-stop go-to guy on using the social media . Love your title “Happy Accidents” by the way.

Reply

Greg Pincus January 14, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Thanks, Sue! And I think it’s great if you’re out commenting on blogs even if you don’t have your own. Managing time factors into all of this, sometimes even to the “do I blog or comment today” level, at least for me.
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

MotherReader January 13, 2012 at 8:31 pm

This is a great post on the kind of posts that get comments. Did that sound weird?

See even if it did, I keep going, because what I have realized in commenting is that overthinking is often the enemy. What I find in doing the Comment Challenge, is that the practice in commenting makes it easier to follow my instincts in responding.
MotherReader´s last [type] ..Science & Stories Program: Snow

Reply

Greg Pincus January 14, 2012 at 12:31 pm

At the end of the day, we can write and analyze all we want, but I agree with you that we can end up standing in our own way as we try and give the perfect response or write the perfect post. Neither of those exist, anyway, so trusting instincts is often the best choice we can make.
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

Susan Berger January 13, 2012 at 11:25 pm

I generally comment as Pen and Ink.
Happy Accident is the exception to that.
Susan Berger´s last [type] ..Kathy McCullough In Conversation

Reply

Pen and Ink January 14, 2012 at 12:06 am

I wanted to visit every blog signed up for this challenge. But I fave found commenting on some blogs to be a real challenge:
For me, the easiest are the Blogspot blogs. Pen and Ink is Blogspot and posting a comment is a breeze. Blogspot remembers who we are.
Word Press is my least favorite. Comments requires me to enter a name, an addressm and our blog URL. This is true every time I enter a comment, even if I have visited a site before.
So far I’ve found it impossible to comment on two entrants
# 17 David Elzie, seems to have a website with no clear links to posts.
#137 Madigan Reads, seems to have a broken comment form.
I would say that if you wish to enter a blog comment challenge, it would be a courtesy to make it easy to comment.
Please put your comment link right below the post.
Pen and Ink´s last [type] ..Kathy McCullough In Conversation

Reply

Greg Pincus January 14, 2012 at 12:59 pm

I had no issues with either of the blogs you mentioned. I’d also add that assuming the fault lies with the blogger is a dangerous road to go down when it comes to technology!

But you raise two great points in this and your above comment. Making it easy to comment definitely makes it easier to get more comments. With all the different platforms out there, this can be complicated. For you, Wordpress is the issue and for others, it’s Blogspot, for others it’s something else. Of course, sometimes there are simple solutions the commenter can take (to wit: a gravatar or leaving cookies turned on or getting a Google account to make it easier to leave blogger comments). So far, there really isn’t a foolproof way to deal with this.

In your comment above this one, you note that you usually comment as Pen and Ink not yourself. This is interesting, as I know that I prefer to interact with specific people rather than a blog or organization. Do you really speak for Pen and Ink when you post a comment like this one, or do you speak for yourself? Don’t all of you have different experiences and ideas? More to the point, though, this brings up the issue of identity online and how that ties into community and comments. And promotion, for that matter… but that’s a convo for another day!
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

Ed DeCaria January 14, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Interesting point about certain blog types being easier than others. I just started a blog using WordPress (#141 listing in Comment Challenge at Mother Reader). I was/am actually nervous about my Comments settings, so it is interesting to hear this feedback about WordPress. I thought that people liked the URL option because it allowed a route back to their site without having to more conspicuously advertise it in the body of the comment. Perhaps I am wrong?

I agree on the e-mail thing. This bugs me on other blogs, too. Unfortunately the only setting in WP is “Comment author must fill out name and e-mail”, which is a bummer because while I definitely want to force users to enter a name, I don’t really care so much about their e-mail address. Perhaps I’ll uncheck it and see what happens.

I personally think that Blogger can be very difficult sometimes — it takes you out of the original post view, for one. Second, if they do not allow simple Name/URL commenting, I have to sign into Google just to leave a comment. I’ve also had some issues with IE7-8 on some blogspot sites where I simply cannot comment unless I switch to Firefox (this week’s Poetry Friday host site was a good example).

Last point, and this is a question: What are people’s thoughts on comment “moderation”? One one hand it is the ultimate spam protector, including spam from people you actually know but who are idiots and would leave comments you’d rather not be associated with among your readers. On the other hand, I know it is frustrating to leave a comment and have to wait for it to be moderated and posted. What say you? Just let the comments loose?

Thanks for any advice you have for someone with <1 week experience with this.

-Ed DeCaria
thinkkidthink.com
Ed DeCaria´s last [type] ..New Poem: Who Is This Woman And Why Is She Trying To Kiss Me?

Reply

Ed DeCaria January 14, 2012 at 8:47 pm

p.s. Are obscenely long comments frowned upon?

Reply

Greg Pincus January 16, 2012 at 12:21 pm

no :-)

Greg Pincus January 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Hi, Ed – I don’t use moderation, instead relying on Akismet (the plug in) to weed out the spam. It does a pretty reliable job: to me, a fair tradeoff for allowing immediate access. As someone else mentioned, they use moderation, but once someone has commented once, their comments aren’t held up again. Some blogs have a need to keep a very safe environment, so they use moderation, too. For me, if spam cleanup took too much time, I’d switch – but I really value the ability for people to have back and forth, nearly real-time communication, so I’d rather not moderate and hope for the best.

In the end, it’s all about your own choice and what works best for you and your community. No right or wrong so far as I can tell!
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

JenFW January 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm

@Ed – I love WordPress and the name/URL option for commenting. I also have a Google account to make Blogspot comments easy.

@Pen and Ink – You may be able to have your computer remember what you’ve typed in email and URL boxes. My husband hates to type and has his set up so that when he types the first letter or two, the computer jumps in with options he can click to finish the job.
JenFW´s last [type] ..Puzzle-Based Learning

Joanna January 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm

For wordpress blogs I return to I have never had to reenter my details twice?? What I find hard are the captchas :(
Joanna´s last [type] ..South Africa’s former President, Thabo Mbeki’s speech poem of, “I am an African.”

Reply

Lupe Fernandez January 14, 2012 at 1:09 pm

“Don’t all of you have different experiences and ideas?”
I am not a person. I am a series of Ones and Zeroes.
Sincerely,
100110101
Lupe Fernandez´s last [type] ..Kathy McCullough In Conversation

Reply

D. T. Gray January 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm

I always have a problem when it comes to comments. I it when someone comments on my work, however it seems like it barely happens. And when it does, often it is from some googlebot or yahoobot…

I think comments are great, but like you were saying about adding value, if it’s just for the juice it’s not worth reading or approving.

Great post Greg!
D. T. Gray´s last [type] ..Spinning Webs

Reply

Marjorie (PaperTigers) January 16, 2012 at 4:09 am

I’m not sure about what you mean by “just for the juice”? I love it when people comment, as you also say – and I mean, a genuine comment, not the bots that you refer to as well, of course. Ed ponders comment moderation in the comment above. I think that that is a good way to sift out the spam, and once a comment has been approved, that person’s comments are not held back in the future, so I don’t see it as obtrusive. I would happily read a reader’s comment, even if it’s just an acknowledgement they’ve been there and read the post – I don’t think there has to be any more juice to it than that, if not so desired – but that may not be what you mean by “juice”?

Reply

Greg Pincus January 16, 2012 at 12:24 pm

I can’t speak for D.T. here, but there are a few different ways to think of “Juice” in this context. The one that jumps to my mind to me is “link juice” – the idea that by pointing back to your blog it can help you (with SEO or bringing you traffic). You probably get those comments filtered out (“Interesting post!” says Bob from HEREISMYWEBSITE!!!!! (.com)). They aren’t spam in the classic sense… but they really are, since it’s only there to get attention.
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

Ed DeCaria January 14, 2012 at 9:03 pm

I was just searching WordPress plugins for anything that might make commenting experience better for readers of my blog and came across this horrendous device:

Commentator is a Wordpress comments generation plugin. use it to generate as many comments as you want, to jump-start your new blog, or just to break the ice and get a conversation going in all your posts.

Commentator uses a smart template processing methods to create comments that are unique to each posts. Post titles and categories can be automatically included in your comments by using [title] and [cat] tags in you comment template.

All commentator comments can be safely deleted once you don’t need them anymore without affecting real comments on your blog.

What an odd idea.

-Ed

Reply

Greg Pincus January 16, 2012 at 12:25 pm

That is, indeed, exceedingly odd.

I use CommentLuv here – it adds a link to the commenter’s most recent blog post below their comment. It’s a nice way for folks to get a better sense of the commenter and, often, see something they want to check out beyond just a name. There are other plugins for threaded comments and beyond, too, though I’m not using them as of now.
Greg Pincus´s last [type] ..Quick #kidlitchat Housekeeping News

Reply

JenFW January 16, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Ack! It seems the Commentator might be responsible for the mountain of comments I relegate to the SPAM folder.

Thanks, Greg, for identifying the CommentLuv plugin. I was wondering. It’s nice.
JenFW´s last [type] ..Puzzle-Based Learning

Reply

Carmela Martino January 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm

What a timely topic, Greg!
>>Sometimes, you simply want to say “I read this. I liked it. Thanks!” <<
I love getting comments like this on our blog, but they mean even more to me if the commenter can tell me something he/she specifically liked. So when I leave this type of comment, I usually copy an excerpt that I particularly liked and include that in my comment as a quick and easy way of giving specific feedback.
And I agree with what MotherReader said about needing to not overthink a comment.
Carmela Martino´s last [type] ..Awards and Accolades

Reply

Madigan January 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm

I am soooooo glad I clicked this link from Twitter, Greg! If nothing else, just to hear that people have had trouble commenting on my blog. All seems well on my end, and I’ve been getting some comments through just fine. Still, it never hurts to double-check.
Great conversation! MotherReader said it so well – the average book blogger comment is MILES ahead of the lowest common denominator comment on YouTube.

Reply

JenFW January 16, 2012 at 7:35 pm

“Making connections” has been my primary strategy for creating comments during this Comment Challenge. My brain is bound to make some sort of connection after reading something, and I just go with it.

I’m also employing a healthy dose of Mother Reader’s “don’t over-think it.”

This is my second attempt at the Comment Challenge (I participated in the first one), and I’m doing way-yonder better this time with these strategies.

For the record, I’ve been to your blog before, though you wouldn’t know it from the commenting I haven’t done.
JenFW´s last [type] ..Puzzle-Based Learning

Reply

Ed DeCaria January 16, 2012 at 8:16 pm

I have the setting checked where people that have commented once no longer require moderation. I guess I kindof like that. I suppose in some underhanded way it also encourages that blog “trier” to “repeat” (as we say in the branding world) by coming back to see if their comment was approved. I know I do that if my comment has been moderated. Perhaps other people like the reassurance that they’re thought/idea was not rejected. Hopefully the comment feature works as intended and people are not put into moderation again and again; I don’t know, I’m new to this and as many commenters as I’ve had I do not think that I’ve had any repeat visits yet.
Ed DeCaria´s last [type] ..New Poem: Who Is This Woman And Why Is She Trying To Kiss Me?

Reply

Joanna January 17, 2012 at 12:10 pm

What I really appreciate is bloggers who reply to at least some, if not all of the comments. I know if you are Nathan Bransford, you could never respond to all, but some bloggers never respond, and I am wondering why?
Joanna´s last [type] ..South Africa’s former President, Thabo Mbeki’s speech poem of, “I am an African.”

Reply

Deborah Halverson January 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm

I feel that too often a question at the end of a post seems forced, as if the blogger is just trying to get comments. I don’t feel compelled to respond to those. I do enjoy responding to questions that seem to arise out of the blogger’s natural curiosity about the topic of the post, or that seem an authentic extension of the post, a true sense of “conversation” or a sincere debating of a controversial topic. Like your post today. The truth is, not every post is going to be that affecting, to the blogger or to the readers. It’s the nature of the blogging beast. Bloggers have their “on” days and their “off” days just like anybody else.

Reply

sarah albee January 18, 2012 at 6:29 am

Thanks for this fascinating post, Greg. I joined the comment challenge late in the game, but am SO happy I did. I’ve found some wonderful blogs and will now try to comment more often.

Reply

Leave a Comment

CommentLuv badge

Previous post:

Next post: