Kidlitchat Transcript – September 1 – (part two)
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| 8:42 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @aecbks RT @carrharr: I second @johannaharness! Nothing can truly replace being proactive abt reading material. #kidlitchat – YES! |
| 8:42 pm | DarcyWishard: | I don’t know about you guys but I’m just happy when a MS kid finds a book they actually want to read! #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | catesfolly: | RT @jamieharrington: @literaticat thats very true with a book, they are more likely to not read something than not WATCH #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | RebeccaMather: | @MyraMcEntire I read rvws, ask pple, google … there r things I know I don’t want read. But kids? If parent isn’t an advocate? #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | bonnieadamson: | @LizB Oh, please. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | johannaharness: | Yes. Exactly. RT @mgbuehrlen: No ratings. Parents should be held accountable to be involved in what their kids read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | EgmontGal: | I find it hard to classify a lot of books. Does it go on the Mid Grade or YA shelf at B+N? we have ask ourself with each title #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @MyraMcEntire: Yes, indeed! We need parents, teachers,and librarians to be our kids’ “reading” advocates. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | aecbks: | @suzanne_young Imagination also lets them just skip the parts they aren’t ready for. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | jeanie_w: | RT @literaticat: Kids are very good at self-censoring. Most kids I know will put a book down if they aren’t ready for it… #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | LizB: | @literaticat ITA! kids are excellent self censors; also some things go over they don’t get if young (ie Deenie & masturbation) #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | PinkLockerMom: | @JesseMarieKlaus Shd also say that Asher is trying to be responsible with topic. http://www.thirteenreasonswhy.com/author.php #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | pussreboots: | RT @literaticat: Kids are very good at self-censoring. Most kids I know will put a book down if they aren’t ready for it… #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | @literaticat #kidlitchat Ooo… can I borrow that spelling? Seks… awesome… |
| 8:42 pm | suzanne_young: | So if they don’t understand something,they don’t imagine it.When they’re older they reread it and get things they didn’t before #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | johannaharness: | @pvlundqvist Oh sorry. That’s not what I mean. I mean anyone who doesn’t want to read the book, should at least ask questions. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | rarararach: | RT @DarcyWishard I don’t know about you guys but I’m just happy when a MS kid finds a book they actually want to read! #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | JesseMarieKlaus: | @PinkLockerMom Early teens? If her parents drove her, I would hope they knew the book. Their responsibility, not the authors #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | laurielyoung: | someone mentioned something about inanimate objects in PB-what’s that about? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | AudryT: | Kids self-censor with manga all the time, and that has visuals. I’ve heard 12 yr olds say, “I’m not ready for this.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | kdueykduey: | @EgmontGal Glad you are both here! And you are so right about 3 and 8 yr olds…!!#kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | johannaharness: | @pvlundqvist A rating is never going to replace a conversation about a book’s content. I’m solidly against ratings. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @jamieharrington Not that long ago there was no YA category: just children’s books & adult books. Teens went adult. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | EgmontGal: | I purposely left the age code off the flap of one Egmont debut book. I worry it will confuse parents but it is hard to classify #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | pvlundqvist: | RT @mgbuehrlen: No ratings. Parents should be held accountable to be involved in what their kids read. #kidlitchat Hear, hear. |
| 8:43 pm | kishizuka: | Amen, sister. RT @literaticat: I read b4 I was 12: Mists of Avalon. Flowers in the Attic. Valley of the Dolls. DIDN’T KILL ME. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | suzanne_young: | @aecbks Exactly! about the skipping parts #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | dosankodebbie: | AGREE RT @johannaharness:Ratings won’t cover all objections. Some religious ideas cross the line 4 me.OK for others. Just not me #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | kehealey: | @literaticat *I* barely noticed it. That was some skillful fade-to-blacking! #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | PattyJMurphy: | RT@johannaharness: Parents should be held accountable to be involved in what their kids read. I could NOT agree more #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | lynnekelly: | @literaticat Yes!Daughter loved CRANK , but w/ TWEAK, about the same subject matter, read just a little, said “Ew” & put it down #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | joycelansky: | Our books reflect the mores of society. People spend more time griping about the immorality then working with their own kids. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | shanasilver: | @suzanne_young I agree! When I read violence in books, it’s sugar coated bc I don’t like gore. In movies, I just don’t watch. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | hatbooks: | @DarcyWishard Exactly! #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | catesfolly: | Yes! RT @LizB: parents have such different issues..parents who didnt want books that showed their kids that other kids were poor #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | SarahBWinters: | @bonnieadamson Scary thought, husband is a high school librarian? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | PeriPam: | RT @Nelsby: THE BOOK BUTTERFLY: Win an ARC of Candor by Pam Bachorz! http://chilp.it/?0c0f65 #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | landlroecker: | Books should be uncensored encourage reading. Besides lots will go over younger kids heads, had a 11yo beta ask what’s a prude? #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | kcclyburn: | @literaticat There’s seks in that book! Oh man, I totally missed that, and I’m 22! #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | jamieharrington: | @dawnmetcalf yeah, it’s nice to see an actual TEEN section now, but since stores are starting to devote more shelf space… #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal I hope that catches on–I hate age ratings. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | VoraciousReader: | Not in MY bookstore! RT @kcclyburn: #kidlitchat sometimes I think there will be a parental advisory sticker on kid lit and YA someday… |
| 8:44 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @PeriPam …or when kids sample ANYTHING together… ;-P #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | PeriPam: | crud. sorry for the spam hastag. Bad bad tweetgrid user. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | literaticat: | @LynneKelly I don’t blame her – TWEAK was horrifying, I couldn’t get thru half of it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | RebeccaMather: | @srjohannes commonsensemedia.org is great I look up appropriate books and movies for my kids. cool link, thanks. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | susan_marie: | Wanda Gag wrote in 1936 Grimms tales intro about “age-limit” for material dropping–she was “avidly reading fairy tales” at 14. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | jamieharrington: | @shanasilver I sugarcoat the violence in my mind as well, LOTR was way less gory in my head than on screen #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @EgmontGal BRAVO!!!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | adamselzer: | I think adults uptight about swears have odd priorities:the problem w/kids isnt that they read too much. but parents buy books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | debbieohi: | @bonnieadamson @EgmontGal I hate age ratings, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @carrharr Are Pens O’ Doom supposed to be *friendly*?!?  #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | bonnieadamson: | @SarahBWinters This was somewhere in NJ, I think–but, yes, very scary. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | rillajaggia: | Discussion is so imp RT @johannaharness: @pvlundqvist A rating is never going to replace a conversation about a books content. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | gregpincus: | But some of these “teen” sections in bookstores seem to be about selling more non-book product, don’t they? #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | kehealey: | If parents want to make sure their kids are reading only approved works, then they can put in the work: (tbc) #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | srjohannes: | as a parent it’s hard 2 read every book 2 see if it’s ok for an age group. it’d be nice to have a way to find out what’s in it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | dosankodebbie: | Smthg not mentioned here: Kids in West are varied enough as it is, bt what about your expat readers growing up in other cultures?#kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | EgmontGal: | At S+S we weren’t allowed to leave the age code off a book. And again, buyers and parents (in general) want it #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @jamieharrington I’m thrilled there is a YA section! I get to be on it! #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | kehealey: | Consult with librarians and bookselllers, put together their own reading list, and trust their kids to stick to it. (tbc) #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | MyraMcEntire: | When I suggest rating, understand I don’t mean censorship. I disagree with censorship, esp. as a means to excuse poor parenting. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | aecbks: | Ratings are ridiculous to me, but I like the explanations of why the movies get the rating– that helps me decide for my son. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | landlroecker: | And books (like movies and TV) when experienced together w/parent & child can spark a conversation about difficult topics #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | jamieharrington: | @dawnmetcalf haha totally, and now I know exactly where to get the ‘good books’ #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | LizaWiemer: | #kidlitchat As a parent, author, teacher, authentic but responsible & definitely not preachy. Played and Jason & Kyra interesting YA novels |
| 8:46 pm | joycelansky: | @pvlundqvist They already do. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | SusanUhlig: | As a kid I never looked at age ratings, neither did my kids. If I put down a book & they thought it interesting, they nabbed it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | EgmontGal: | Think of parents looking for a clue in stores, though. They think “Would my child want this?” and need help. Age codes do that #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | rillajaggia: | @MyraMcEntire Yes, but ratings ultimately are used as a form of censorship. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | kehealey: | It’s not up to librarians and booksellers to *reduce* the access of kids to information. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | SandiBJones: | Kids today come from bad home situations, have sex, drink, get pregnant. Think they’ll read SVH? Give morals–just realistically #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | dlschubert: | Question: How long has the “YA” category been in existence? #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | kdueykduey: | @jamieharrington At signings, there are parents who say,”She’s ten. But a very high level reader!!” and I have to explain….#kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | heatherwpetty: | #kidlitchat Ratings would also be used to more deeply censor books for school and public libraries–most likely unjustly. |
| 8:46 pm | PeriPam: | Rating=slippery slope=censorship #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | KarenDuvall: | re: fallen angels. Bad angels that were once good, self-sacrificed to win Crusades, made them dark, not their fault. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | alijwalker: | @dawnmetcalf I’m thrilled there is a YA section because that’s what I like to read:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | SarahBWinters: | @bonnieadamson Lets hope CA will not follow #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | bonnieadamson: | @LizB Reminds me of mom acquaintance who said she never intended her son to have any sad thoughts. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | aecbks: | RT @landlroecker: And books when experienced together w/parent & child can spark a conversation about difficult topics. Yes! #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | suzanne_young: | @shanasilver haha I’m the same way. I just imagine it nicer if it’s not my thing #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | EKokie: | @MyraMcEntire But ratings would dictate who is appropriate to have access to that book by their very nature = limit access. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | carrharr: | @srjohannes V. true. I’m all for resources, but relying solely on a code on a book flap doesn’t sit well w.me.  #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | dawnmetcalf: | RT @literaticat Kids are very good at self-censoring. Most kids I know will put a book down if they aren’t ready for it… #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | EgmontGal: | dlschubert in my opinion YA has existed since The Outsiders #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | ktubb: | RT @kehealey: Its not up to librarians and booksellers to *reduce* the access of kids to information. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | jamieharrington: | @kdueykduey I think that’s a good point, parents assume 13-18 is a READING level, not a CONTENT level #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | srjohannes: | my friends’ 13 year old reads a book a week. she cant keep up to even have all the discussions. esp when they read at school #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | literaticat: | @EgmontGal Well, but it will be sectioned in MG or YA, right? And will have jacket copy? These are clues… #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | WeronikaJanczuk: | @landlroecker Not sure how often discussion occurs anymore. I haven’t talked w/ ‘rents about books/movies/shows for a decade. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | kcclyburn: | @dlschubert Dioyou mean in bookstores or just in general? #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | DanyelleLeafty: | @MyraMcEntire Yes. I hate censorship. A content warning would be nice though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | Lisa_Frame: | RT @PeriPam: Rating=slippery slope=censorship #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | LizB: | if kids want “edgy” and YA doesn’t give it to them, they’ll read adult books; why drive them out of YA section? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | heatherwpetty: | #kidlitchat School boards would censor by rating, even if rating is arbitrary, leaving school libraries without books they would norm carry. |
| 8:48 pm | moonbridgebooks: | re Parents should be held accountable – what about books kids pick up in school library we don’t know about? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | kehealey: | @bonnieadamson That seems… impractical. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | RebeccaMather: | @literaticat That’s true I would self-edit when i was young and toss books that weren’t right for me. Parents teach kids choose #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal i thought the age group was required by borders or B&N – is that left to publishers discretion? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | SJKessel: | YA began with The Outsiders, The Chocolate War, I AM the Cheese, etc. Came into it’s own in the late 70s. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @EKokie I don’t mean ratings as limitations, more as suggestions. Not enforced by book police! #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @jamieharrington @alijwalker Although don’t neglect gems in other sections! INVENTION OF HUGO CABRET = *awesome* #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | andybrokaw: | #kidlitchat Book ratings? Don’t tell me what my kid should read, it annoys me enough strangers want to dictate what he watches and hears. |
| 8:48 pm | dosankodebbie: | This is simply not true of all kids 2day RT @SandiBJones:Kids today come from bad home situations, have sex, drink, get pregnant #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | EgmontGal: | We put 14 Up on our most content-heavy books. I am trying to remember if we did a 16 up once at S+S but knew younger would read #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | gregpincus: | OK… we could talk about this all night, but I wanted to get bck to @rillajaggia’s earlier question #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | jamieharrington: | If we rated YA, then it would end up like movies, fighting to get down to a certain rating for more readers #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | carrharr: | @EgmontGal Not allowed to leave them off? Wow… Did you run into many of those “difficult to classify” books? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | AudryT: | Ratings are often used in movies & games to make a snap judgement. “Now I don’t have to talk it over w/my kids.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | @literaticat #kidlitchat I think TWEAK was an adult book. And I hated it. Of course, I heard he was tweaking while finishing it. |
| 8:49 pm | WeronikaJanczuk: | #kidlitchat The need for discussion also implies, in a way, that it’s necessary for good parenting. But I think it all goes back to the kid. |
| 8:49 pm | dlschubert: | @kcclyburn I guess in bookstores. Is it much different? #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | bonnieadamson: | @kehealey Indeed. I just looked at her. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | LizB: | @BonnieAdamson that is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | EgmontGal: | @srjohannes Publishers discretion. we tell them what section to put it in, though. but publishers bow to preference of sellers #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | gregpincus: | Do any of you have opinions/thoughts/worries about the Google Books settlement (opt-in date is Sept 4th) #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | landlroecker: | @WeronikaJanczuk My parents used to watch My So-Called Life with me…I think we might just be weird. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | Lisa_Frame: | My son is 9, but reads on a 10th grade level. I definitely check what he is reading and steer him to his interests. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | EKokie: | @MyraMcEntire Any ratings would result in some people (many people in power?) using them as access guides. It WOULD limit access #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | peg366: | #kidlitchat Got to go. Kids in argument. |
| 8:49 pm | DanyelleLeafty: | RT Yes! @jamieharrington: @kdueykduey I think thats a good point, parents assume 13-18 is a READING level, not a CONTENT level #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | EgmontGal: | @carrharr Not allowed for many reasons. Also, all Amazon titles had to be classified by age genre no “All ages” allowed #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | anniekawaii: | @kdueykduey It wasn’t the language. I got that. It was “crap.” Everytime he said it, it threw me out of the story. IDK why. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | suzanne_young: | @gregpincus What was the question again? #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | rillajaggia: | @gregpincus Thanks, Greg. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | literaticat: | @EgmontGal BOY TOY by @barrylyga was labeled 16+ (ha ha, you know 12 year olds were all over it) #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | SigSeattle: | why not the same type of rating as on video games? Violence, language, etc? Not totally age dependent which means nothing today #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | srjohannes: | maybe its not an age rating maybe it is a category that lets them know if there is sex and violence?? just thinking…. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @kdueykduey: Some Ps think that since their children are reading at a higher reading level they should be reading YA! I cringe. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | bonnieadamson: | @LizB Don’t you worry about the child? I do. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | kcclyburn: | @dlschubert Well for a while, YA books were shoved into the kiddie sections; the actual YA section is relatively young, I think #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | WeronikaJanczuk: | Still not 100% sure what the settlement entails. Any good links that explain? #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat The blog I posted today actually addresses that… when the YA renaissance actually began. Hint: pre-Twilight |
| 8:50 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @MyraMcEntire @EKokie Unfortunately, I think ratings would be read as a line in the sand 4 Book Police. Self-edit & info is key. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | Good night! I’m going to curl up with a book now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EKokie: | Like Language. Sex. Violence. ? That might up readership, come to think of it.LOL @DanyelleLeafty content warning would be nice #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | literaticat: | @EllenHopkinsYA Well it SHOULD have been an adult book – sadly, kids marketing was pushing it as YA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | dlschubert: | @SigSeattle I was just thinking the same thing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | rillajaggia: | What do ya’ll think of Google’s attempt to bypass copyright laws from now through eternity? #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | ktubb: | RT @gregpincus: opt-in date is Sept 4th – thought the opt OUT date Sept 4th? Oh, man, am I ever confused by this! #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | jamieharrington: | I think it’s interesting that today’s writers are the ones getting to define the YA genre, it’s not everyday you get to do that! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | AuthorTaraKelly: | A YA section was around in the 90s when I was a teen, but it was very tiny #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | gregpincus: | Both convos can go on side by side, btw #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | carrharr: | @EgmontGal Something I didn’t know. Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | SJKessel: | @KarenDuvall You could go religious… or political…as complicated as the actual reasons for Crusades. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | @gregpincus #kidlitchat Uh, yeah… some readers think they can google my books and pass their English papers… and probably can. |
| 8:51 pm | EgmontGal: | @kcclyburn Yes, teen section as separate in stores a new phenomenon started at independents, now in chains #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | AudryT: | Ask guys who work in game stores. Video game ratings are barely glanced at and when they are it’s so parents don’t have to think #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | bonnieadamson: | @kcclyburn My indie still makes no distinction between MG & YA: all “books for young adults” #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | EKokie: | Here in WI a group tried to “clean” the teen section of LGBT content – ratings & content wanrnings would give false legitimacy #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | PeriPam: | Good brief pirmer on Google settlement here http://tinyurl.com/mxl96y #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | MelissadelaCruz: | #kidlitchat I think parenting today is way too involved. My mom let me pick all my books she looked a bit doubtful about Flowersin the Attic |
| 8:51 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @AuthorTaraKelly GAH, I’m old…! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | mimking: | What about how drugs/alcohol use is portrayed? As adults, do we have any responsibility toward our readers? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | aecbks: | Re: book police– don’t forget their are parents who simply remove books from library shelves so no one can read them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | SigSeattle: | I was always reading at least 3 grade levels beyond. So age wasn’t a relevant gauge. Content would have meant more #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | PennyAsh: | @kdueykduey I would associate reading level with grade level, am I wrong? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | rillajaggia: | @EgmontGal Love to hear what youthink of the google settlement… #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal does borders & B&N have shelve books based on the age of character or is it something different? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | MelissadelaCruz: | #kidlitchat But she let me buy it. And who had time to “read what the kids are reading”?? |
| 8:52 pm | mitaliperkins: | I blogged about the mysterious Google Book settlement today, hoping to help other befuddled writers: http://bit.ly/Yt2Yz #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | alijwalker: | RT@SigSeattle why not the same type of rating as on video games? Violence, language, etc? Not totally age dependent… #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @gregpincus Is sticking my fingers in my ears and chanting “lalalala!” an appropriate answer to your question? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | gregpincus: | @ktubb No, you’re right. OPT-OUT day is the 4th. Decision day is what I meant. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal My indie doesn’t differentiate. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | gregpincus: | @EllenHopkinsYA LOL. They do that with my poems, too. Google, copy, and turn in #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @carrharr Ah! Lulling them into a false sense of security! I like your style. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @MelissadelaCruz That book freaked me out. I think I tried reading it when I was 13 or so. I put it down! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | ktubb: | My tweets are crazy tonite – must opt OUT of google by the 4th, right? Automatically in… #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | LizB: | @MelissadelaCruz i agree; if parents prescreening a teens reading, what else in life do they screen & what happens in college? #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | EgmontGal: | @srjohannes Publishers tell B+N and Borders where to shelve. we have read the book and know it best. Fantasy is esp challenging #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | adamselzer: | I went to high school in Gwinnett Co. GA. where local idiots tried to ban harry potter lately. I know their tricks and manners. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @f_rancesca I think it could make you a good role model as an author, though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @srjohannes B&N has a teen section, a section for ages 7-12 and then readers under 7 if i am not mistaken. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | rillajaggia: | Is anyone else concerned that google can decide to digitize your books in the future regardless of copyright laws? #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | EgmontGal: | Can anyone explain the google settlement in 140 characters? #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | temoca: | #kidlitchat We’ve put some great books in the hands of kids through school libraries. I agree, ratings would hurt that effort unjustly. |
| 8:54 pm | SigSeattle: | @rillajaggia hard to say. if out of print, then works could be lost forever. But what about rights? #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | joycelansky: | @MelissadelaCruz My daughter is 19 & I’ve always let her read what she wants. Then she tell me things I couldn’t imagine. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | suzanne_young: | @gregpincus @EllenHopkinsYA well, unless they have a paper due on how to catch a cheating boyfriend, my work is safe! #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | gregpincus: | @dawnmetcalf It’s a funny answer, but probably won’t help in the long run #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | thereadingzone: | I was just at my local BN and was dismayed to see they made the YA section MUCH smaller in lieu of adding a new section of toys #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | AuthorTaraKelly: | @dawnmetcalf You are NOT! #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | EKokie: | Didn’t really protect writers, but boosts free access so conflicted. But looks like a crap deal for the writers @gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | dlschubert: | @EKokie Pathetic! Were they carrying crosses and wearing white cloths? Oh, no. That would be way too obvious. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | kdueykduey: | @PattyJMurphy *I* cringed. My book is in NO way appropriate for a girl that young. It’s sociologial, bleak, dark fantasy…..#kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | alijwalker: | I need info: What’s the google book settlement?@gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | srjohannes: | in my small school, the “library” was a book cart pushed by a lady kinda like in prision. i read every book on there – twice #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | LizB: | book police: i’ve seen library books w/ words crossed out, paper taped over images, pages turned down by parents 2 censor others #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | kthorning: | @EgmontGal I agree that Outsiders is the first book called YA, but I think there were others earlier, like 17th Summer (1942) @kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | mgbuehrlen: | My parents let me read whatever I wanted, and yet I always, deep down, wanted them to have *some* interest. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @EKokie It also implies that GLBT content is something that needs to be rated/warned. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | EgmontGal: | @Lisa_Frame @srjohannes think about that where do we shelve tween books at B+N? if they are clean? 7-12 can seem too babyish #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | EKokie: | Anyone opt out of the Google Settlement? I don’t know of anyone. Pursuing your own remedies would be hard – hard to show damages #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | ShivaeStudios: | @jamieharrington Big time difference in reading versus watching on tv/movies. That’s why I’d be fine reading uncut Grimm’s. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | LizB: | mature books being read by kids too young is a whole other topic, and would not be helped by book ratings #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat yes, Google can “sample” 20% of your books for free now. If they didn’t ask pre May 09, they have to pay a pittance |
| 8:56 pm | SigSeattle: | I chose books as kid as I do now – read a bit or read the cover. Mom never cared or knew what I read or didn’t. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | EgmontGal: | @EllenHopkinsYA My issue with Google is why not the much more standard 10% that we use for publicity? 20 seems so high #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | gregpincus: | @alijwalker You can start at www.googlebooksettlement.com adn then just do some Google searches. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal my friend had 2 change age of character frm 14 to 13 so B&N would put in mg/tween. high school age is in YA?? weird. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | AudryT: | Burmudez Triangle had some GLBT-related challenges. Would’ve been more if a rating said GLBT on the cover, ne? #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @rillajaggia Me too. I’m checking Tweetie as a backup.  #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | EgmontGal: | How do ratings help you understand whether a book is right for *your* child anyway? Bambi terrified me, and it’s “G” #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | WeronikaJanczuk: | Thanks for the great insight everyone. Off to work on the WiP — almost at the finish line for draft #1. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | carrharr: | I agree! RT @LizB: mature books being read by kids too young is a whole other topic, and would not be helped by book ratings #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | EgmontGal: | @cjredwine How old are your sons? #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | aecbks: | Re: google settlement, authors guild is proactive and informative with phone chats. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | DanyelleLeafty: | RT @cjredwine: I respectfully disagree. Being informed on the books, tv, games, movies my sons like is my responsibility. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | landlroecker: | @dawnmetcalf RT It also implies that GLBT content is something that needs to be rated/warned – my biggest problem with ratings #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | rillajaggia: | @EgmontGal How can google decide we have to register with them if we don’t want books digitized. is this legal? #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | alijwalker: | Thanks @gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | dawnmetcalf: | RT @ShivaeStudios @jamieharrington Big time difference reading vs watching on tv/movies… I’d be fine reading uncut Grimm’s. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | mgbuehrlen: | RT @EgmontGal: @EllenHopkinsYA My issue with Google is why not the much more standard 10% we use for publicity? 20 seems so high #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | rarararach: | RT @EgmontGal How do ratings help you understand whether a book is right for *your child anyway? Bambi terrified me and it’s “G” #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | EKokie: | @EgmontGal If you opt out it doesn’t prevent future sampling now allowed under settlement. You just get to sue for past smpling #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | jamieharrington: | @fullofstars #kidlitchat yeah, that’s just it… kids read and think at different levels. |
| 8:59 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat I have to chime in on the author who said she would “never” put swear words in her books. Agendas are bad things. |
| 8:59 pm | ktubb: | Re: google. My agent recommends staying in, but disallowing the the “display uses” of the book. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | joycelansky: | @EgmontGal You should see Bambi Meets Godzilla. Now that’s scary. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | johannaharness: | @EgmontGal 20 seems high to me too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | EKokie: | @rillajaggia It is now. The settlement essentially says it’s ok to do it now, if they pay peanuts. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | carrharr: | My problem w/ ratings is that they’re general by nature. What is inappropriate lang. to me may not be to someone else. & so on. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | DanyelleLeafty: | @EgmontGal Not so much right, but lets me know if it’s a book to read alone or with me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @EgmontGal: Bambi scared and saddened me, too. I think parents need to know their kids! #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Ratings DON’T help–thoughtful reviews do. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | EgmontGal: | @rillajaggia My last name is Law, but I am not a lawyer, so I have no idea! #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | AudryT: | BINGO RT@EgmontGal How do ratings help you understand whether a book is right for *your* child anyway? Bambi terrified me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | moonbridgebooks: | Our school library carries books I don’t want my preteen reading, but I won’t know if they check them out. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | landlroecker: | @EgmontGal RT Bambi terrified me, and it’s “G” – True! I let my 4-y-o watch Tarzan and was horrified when animals were shot dead #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | AlleyofBooks: | @EgmontGal I agree.I never read Goosebumps coz my parents thought it was too scary for me in 6th grade.Know they havent read it #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | JackFWalker: | @alijwalker This may help…National Writers Union Opposes Google Book Settlement: http://bit.ly/VeboP @gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | PennyAsh: | @kdueykduey True. I was reading the Bible in the 2nd grade, but it didn’t mean I understood it or all was appropriate for my age #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal but what if you knew in advance it had a death of a parent? Like some indication. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | dlschubert: | @LizB re: book police There will always be people who want to revert to the dark ages. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | SusanUhlig: | The best way to tell if a book is right for your child is to read it yourself and pay attention to what they like. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | rillajaggia: | @EKokie But that would be going against copyright law — supeceding it. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | dawnmetcalf: | RT @LizB seen library books w/ words crossed out, paper taped over images, pages turned down by parents #kidlitchat = HORRIFYING! |
| 9:00 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat There is a place for Christian literature, I guess. But even young Christians need to understand–and relate to–reality. |
| 9:00 pm | LizB: | at what age should parents let kids pick their own reading material? #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | rillajaggia: | @JackFWalker Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | EgmontGal: | @srjohannes how do you pick out, based on content, what will bother someone? I just think it’s impossible to do well. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | EKokie: | @moonbridgebooks You will if you restrict her access – ie, she can’t checkout w/o your express approval. Your choice. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | gregpincus: | And here is Bambi Meets Godzilla – http://bit.ly/16N2xc #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | EKokie: | @rillajaggia The settlement carves out this new payment scheme essentially. At least that is my understanding… #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat By denying them that, you deny their ability to function in the real world. They’re going to hear curse words |
| 9:01 pm | EgmontGal: | To quote Betsy Hearne,children have to face demons in their life,we can’t protect them from everything. Theyll see a scary movie #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | kdueykduey: | @EgmontGal I think they can (and have) put up 150 pages of my book and I can let them or sue them…Me. Sue the BigG. riiight. .#kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | MyraMcEntire: | RT @bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal Ratings DONT help–thoughtful reviews do. /////// YES. #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | alijwalker: | @JackFWalker I’m reading it now. Thanks!! #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | AudryT: | There actually is a content warning on every book. It’s called the back cover copy. #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @dlschubert @LizB Want to Kill a Bright Mind? Burn a Book. >:-( #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | srjohannes: | @landlroecker commonsensemedia.org is a great resource to know those things. esp kids as young as mine and yours. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | bonnieadamson: | How about not “policing” child’s book choice–just being interested? #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | mytweendom: | And to remember what’s right for your child is not right for *every* child. I hand sell to kids all day…no blanket recs #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | rillajaggia: | @EgmontGal That’s the problem. none of us are. and so i think we’re signing away rights without even knowing it. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | moonbridgebooks: | @EKokie That means I have to scan the entire school library catalog to find all the ones I find highly inapprop. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | EgmontGal: | Kids’ll see a scary movie or read something you don’t like when u r not watching, anyway.Mom let me read Vonnegut but not Jaws! #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | mgbuehrlen: | Okay, tweetgrid isn’t posting my tweets. Back to tweetchat. Feeling very left out. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | aecbks: | @mytweendom Wish we had more of you in the world. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @carrharr Too true. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | EKokie: | @rillajaggia How it interacts w/copyright seems unclear. Except settlement seems to allow future sampling. So, new law needed? #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | fullofstars: | @jamieharrington Kids are going to read what they are curious about, nothing’s going to stop them. Don’t you agree? #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | rillajaggia: | @kdueykduey But if there are enough of us out there… #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | rarararach: | RT @EgmontGal To quote Betsy Hearne,children have to face demons in their life,we can’t protect them from everything. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat And they’re going to have to understand what it means when a boy comes on to them, or tries to force them to go somewhere bad |
| 9:03 pm | EgmontGal: | @kdueykduey 150 pages, that’s terrible! Does your publisher allow that? #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | jeanie_w: | RT @PennyAsh: I was reading the Bible in the 2nd grade, but it didn’t mean I understood it or all was appropriate for my age #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | Leaheps: | I’m a latecomer to this convo #kidlitchat but I read Harold Robbins The Lonely Lady in 3rd grade–none the worse for the wear. Good vocab |
| 9:03 pm | emilytastic: | Re:Book Ratings: I think ratings are misleading. Every kid is different, and labelling something “mature” or “16+” doesn’t work. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | joycelansky: | My daughter did a great job of self screening. She read some dicey stuff in high school, but I was ok with it by then. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | LizB: | @EgmontGal i had nightmares from Jaws just from the commericals on tv! read the book later, shark attack nightmares stopped #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | SigSeattle: | whats the difference between u censoring what ur kid reads & having ur neighbor do it? Still censorship. Isn’t it? Y r u better? #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | jamieharrington: | I think as a parent, taking the 5 minutes to look up a book my child wants to read on Amazon is the least I can do #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | mytweendom: | @LizB my 6 year old chooses her own from a range that I preselect #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | aecbks: | TweetChat is not posting everyone’s tweets for me to see– looking forward to the full transcript to see what I missed. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @EgmontGal As a mom, if my child faces a demon, I want to have his back. That’s why it’s *my* job to know what *my* kid reads. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | SusanUhlig: | When I was a kid, and learned about volcanoes at school, I was terrified our hill called “hogsback” would blow up! #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | jamieharrington: | @fullofstars absolutely, a rating is not going to change that at all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @SusanUhlig YES! Parents need to be readers, too. Would help give them answers re: questionable content #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | laurielyoung: | Yes! RT @AudryT: There actually is a content warning on every book. It’s called the back cover copy. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | SarahBWinters: | Ive ben teaching my kids how 2 progress up12yr old knows pg13 is a must c w/mom no R or M, T & PG r ok 9yr old knows her levels2 #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | thefayz: | @LizB Then they need to grow up. Aside from a very few racial slurs there are no “bad” words. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | rarararach: | I think children should be exposed through reading. There is already so much in real life that they are exposed to:swearing,etc #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat And since I’m not sexist, I suppose a girl might try to force someone there, too…. not as likely, though |
| 9:04 pm | Leaheps: | it’s inverse proportion #kidlitchat the more precocious the reading, the less precocious the child, most likely a watcher |
| 9:04 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @EgmontGal And I speak for my own self, not for anyone else. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | EKokie: | @moonbridgebooks Yup. Or trust kid. Or review books she brings home before she reads them. But you police your kid not all kids #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | AudryT: | No, don’t agree that nothing stops kids. They stop themselves when they’re not comfortable with something. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | mgbuehrlen: | Something I posted before that didn’t show: most kids hear worse at home than what they find in books. That’s the reality. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | srjohannes: | @aecbks maybe we are being censored! #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | mytweendom: | She’ll be fully on her own in middle school, I assume #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @mgbuehrlen Welcome! Pull up a chair & stay a while with friends. <:-) #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | dlschubert: | @moonbridgebooks How about letting your kids decide what they want to read? Or, do you not trust them to do so? #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | debbieohi: | @aecbks I’m having the same problem (which is why I’m just lurking for now) #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | LizB: | @mytweendom LOL, six, I understand. 16 and preselecting? I don’t understand, but if parent wants to, that’s up to them #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | MyraMcEntire: | RT @jamieharrington: as a parent, taking the 5 minutes to look up a book my child wants to read on Amazon is the least I can do #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | EgmontGal: | @mytweendom what possible objectionable books are being published for 6 year olds? I’m curious. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | rillajaggia: | @EgmontGal If i opted in today, and the agreement covers books i haven’t even pubbed yet, how would a publisher view this? #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | carrharr: | @jamieharrington Hear hear! Can we as parents complain about book content when that info is right at our fingertips? #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | SarahBWinters: | It?s about TEACHING them? not forcing them to not read, watch, play stuff? they know as they grow so will the subject matter #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | booksrock: | Reading some of the kidlitchat and am angered by it. I can not get into censorship. My kids can read anything but not watch it. |
| 9:05 pm | williamschultz: | @rillajaggia it will be legal if the Court enforces the settlement – that is the implication of a class action settlement #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | Leaheps: | agree with @rararach #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat A great example is the current in the news story about Jaycee Lee Dugard (a story, btw, I covered as a young reporter at Tahoe) |
| 9:05 pm | susan_marie: | Gaiman talked in his Newbery speech about reading his way through the library–a feral child in the stacks. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | joycelansky: | @EgmontGal Picked up Vonnegut book on tape for long family car ride. Turned out to be dirty. We laugh about it w/ teenagers. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | EgmontGal: | @rillajaggia I’m not opting out to answer your question, but i’m not prepared. ask your own publisher? Sorry I can’t help #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | PennyAsh: | @jamieharrington More parents should do that, save a lot of grief later #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | LizB: | @EgmontGal @mytweendom I know parents who screen the “santa isnt real” books from their believing kids #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | adamjury: | @AudryT I’m not following the kidlitchat stuff, but your posts in it are _gold_. |
| 9:05 pm | sarahockler: | Exactly what I’m saying. RT @mgbuehrlen most kids hear worse at home than what they find in books. That’s the reality. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | rarararach: | RT @thefayz @LizB Then they need to grow up. Aside from a very few racial slurs there are no “bad” words. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | alissagrosso: | Had to chime in. Ratings? Seriously. Is the goal to stop kids from reading? #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @dlschubert Selection depends on the kid. Each kid, monitored by their own parent. And if it’s questionable? Discuss. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | rillajaggia: | @williamschultz so you’re saying that a class action settlement can change copyright law? #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | SusanUhlig: | @egmontgal – reading a scary story gives the reader more control than watching scary movie – ‘course – we’re preaching to choir! #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat The kidnapper purports to be some sort of saint, who God instructed to do the things he did… uh, really? |
| 9:06 pm | johannaharness: | The conversations abt questionable books are wonderful. Better to read and talk than limit. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | AudryT: | I can attest to that. RT @EllenHopkinsYA: #kidlitchat By denying them that, you deny their ability to function in the real world. |
| 9:06 pm | PeriPam: | @LizB Now there’s a taboo. YA about the North Pole. The “real” story. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | EKokie: | @rillajaggia yeah, in theory, but proving damages would be really hard. So…uphill battle…and no class actions after stlmnt #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @SarahBWinters: It?s about TEACHING them? not forcing them to not read, watch, play stuff? <–YES!!! #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | landlroecker: | RT @susan_marie Gaiman reading his way through the library–a feral child in the stacks – great image! I love it! #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | #kidlitchat You can’t just spout the word “God” and let readers or others believe it’s all real. |
| 9:06 pm | moonbridgebooks: | Kids are curious as mentioned. I don’t restrict much but exteme language and sex for preteens I balk. Not in mid school library. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | rarararach: | RT @johannaharness The conversations abt questionable books are wonderful. Better to read and talk than limit. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | thelivingpoet: | RT @susan_marie Gaiman talked in his Newbery speech about reading his way through the library–a feral child in the stacks. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | kdueykduey: | @EgmontGal They responded with “we aren’t worried about it” There are gaps, it isn’t all contiguous, but 23-30 page chunks. #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | srjohannes: | @SusanUhlig I tell my little girl -when she asks- to believe what she thinks is true. that everybody believes different things. #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | EgmontGal: | According to the authors guild, if you opt in you can still negotiate on future books.Per my houseguest laurie calkhoven, writer #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | dawnmetcalf: | Devil’s advocate: My 5 yr old reads at a 4th grade level & sometimes the content isn’t appropriate /for her/ = tough 2 find fit! #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | rillajaggia: | @EgmontGal thanks for trying But I worry that publishers are not more concerned. #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | johannaharness: | What better way to talk abt uncomfortable subjects than to talk abt characters in a book? #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | bonnieadamson: | Our children knew we were interested in what they were reading–not out to police them. #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | Danijohns: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: #kidlitchat You can’t just spout the word “God” and let readers or others believe it’s all real. |
| 9:08 pm | dawnmetcalf: | RT @landlroecker @susan_marie Gaiman reading his way through the library–a feral child in the stacks – great image! I love it! #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | cjredwine: | Responsible parenting isn’t censorship. Wouldn’t let my kids pick ANY tv channel 2 watch b/c some are too mature. Same w/books. #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | gregpincus: | @cburke Of course parents should read the books they give kids. Reality for me is I cannot read at the pace necessary to do that #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | carrharr: | Cannot agree more. RT @SarahBWinters It?s about TEACHING them? not forcing them to not read, watch, play stuff? #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | williamschultz: | @rillajaggia it does not necessarily change copyright law, but those who remain in the class agree to the terms of the agreement #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | srjohannes: | @srjohannes my friend had B&N tell pub if thy wanted shelving in MG she had to change age from 14 to 13. 14 is shelved in ya? #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @johannaharness: What better way to talk abt uncomfortable subjects than to talk abt characters in a book? #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | rillajaggia: | @EKokie Talk about a corporation taking over our rights and changing the law…again. #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | cjredwine: | @EgmontGal 11, 10, 9. #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @johannaharness What better way to talk about uncomfortable subjects than to talk THROUGH characters in a book? #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | PennyAsh: | @johannaharness True, just be sure the child is ready for the book #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | LizB: | looking up reviews: B&N has more full length professional reviews than Amazon. for parents, SLJ is good bet, pretty conservative #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | AudryT: | In my yth everything I censored damaged my ability to function. Everything I read even “bad” stuff I digested and learned from. #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | SusanUhlig: | @PattyJMurphy – You bet! We all read in our family – don’t recall Mom telling me I couldn’t check out a library book I wanted #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | literaticat: | ok, #kidlitchat afterparty: http://www.verlakay.com/chat.html – I am headed there now, I can’t follow this one properly tonight! #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | alissagrosso: | When at library helped a teen who was allowed to read steamy adult romances, but could not read teen books if they were fantasy. #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | joycelansky: | @johannaharness Racial slurs ok if character using it is awful & fits in with times. I’m bothered when good person uses slur. #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | landlroecker: | RT @johannaharness What better way to talk abt uncomfortable subjects than to talk abt characters in a book?-Worked in my house! #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | rillajaggia: | @williamschultz But it says that if you don’t opt out you opt in by default…and it seems to cover books not even written yet?? #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | dlschubert: | @MyraMcEntire Sounds fair. I’m glad I didn’t have to discuss what I read with my parents. Then again, YA didn’t exist back then. #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | PennyAsh: | @jeanie_w TY They still taught reading with phonics when I was a kid #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | PattyJMurphy: | EgmontGal If you don’t opt in now, can you still negotiate on future books? I think AG has some phone seminars about this? #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | scenarios4girls: | Grt discussn. #kidlitchat check out books that let tweens choose the path 4 character w/a moral decision. @nicole_Odell www.nicoleodell.com |
| 9:11 pm | joycelansky: | @dlschubert Key words, “with parents.” #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | bonnieadamson: | Sorry about the difficulties tonight, everyone. Great chat, nevertheless. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | dawnmetcalf: | @joycelansky Using slurs/swears says more about the person using them than the words themselves. (True 4 me in life, too.) #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | sarahockler: | Ppl think “controversial” YA puts ideas in kids’ heads. It just tells a story & lets kids explore/form their own opinions on it. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | ktubb: | RT @rillajaggia: you opt in by default. <<true. but as i understand it, you can limit the amount of the book google displays. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | alijwalker: | Sometimes parents don’t want to talk about certain topics and books are all the info kids get. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | rarararach: | I have to go…eat ice cream? Yes. But it’s been lovely chatting with everyone tonight! #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | EgmontGal: | @PattyJMurphy I really don’t know! I’m not well versed in this at all because our books are new. AG has good info on site #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | JesseMarieKlaus: | RT: @rillajaggia It seems to cover books not even written yet?? #kidlitchat // exactly, I’d love the answer to this too! |
| 9:11 pm | laurielyoung: | I have to go–great discussions, can’t wait to read the rest! #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | SarahBWinters: | LOL speaking of children… mine just pulled me away for a minute #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | MyraMcEntire: | I did a book report on Are You There God It’s Me Margaret in 2nd grade. Got send to the office. Called my mom. She had no idea. #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | kcclyburn: | @sarahockler To some people, kids having their own opinions and thoughts is a dangerous thing. These people are idiots. #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | PeriPam: | night all thanks for the great discussion #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | fullofstars: | A parent didn’t want her daughter to read any “bad stuff”. You wake up to a ton of “bad stuff” as a teen and reading helps! #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | dosankodebbie: | CHEERS RT @johannaharness: What better way to talk abt uncomfortable subjects than to talk abt characters in a book? #kidlitchat |
| 9:12 pm | bonnieadamson: | I’ll try again: Thanks to everyone who toughed out the difficulties tonight–looking forward to the transcript & all I missed! #kidlitchat |
| 9:13 pm | DDHearn: | @srjohannes In our library the Percy Jackson and Olympians books are in YA, which I find kind of strange. #kidlitchat |
| 9:13 pm | inkyelbows: | Discussion of the Google Book Settlement in #kidlitchat right now. Twitchat tips: http://bit.ly/writerchats |
| 9:13 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @EgmontGal(oops) If you don’t opt in now, can you still negotiate on future books?I think AGhas some phone seminars about this? #kidlitchat |
| 9:13 pm | LizB: | great discussion, talk to you later! #kidlitchat |
| 9:13 pm | worldblee: | RT @kcclyburn: To some people, kids having their own opinions and thoughts is a dangerous thing. These people are idiots. #kidlitchat |
| 9:13 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @sarahockler Well, it *can* right? We can’t say it’s never the first place a child discovers something, but it’s taken too far. #kidlitchat |
| 9:13 pm | carrharr: | @sarahockler Too bad the opposite isn’t true! I’d write abt a boy who keeps his room clean and make my son read it. #kidlitchat |
| 9:14 pm | twitcapsbot: | #kidlitchat Real-time Image Stream @ http://twitcaps.com/s/%23kidlitchat |
| 9:14 pm | srjohannes: | does anyone know who sets guidelines for where books are shelves? looks like every store has some differences. #kidlitchat |
| 9:14 pm | johannaharness: | @joycelansky I have trouble with dated books. Racial slurs & horrible stereotypes. Portrayal of girls too. #kidlitchat |
| 9:15 pm | DDHearn: | @inkyelbows I got a little check from that settlement yesterday. #kidlitchat |
| 9:15 pm | FADLY_: | Find out why “#kidlitchat” is trending here: http://fad.ly/15495 |
| 9:15 pm | rillajaggia: | http://tinyurl.com/l8tkrz FAQ’s from the AG very scary… #kidlitchat |
| 9:15 pm | muselolita: | Speaking as a 22 year old from a conservative, rural community… I learned “bad” things from my friends, not books. #kidlitchat |
| 9:15 pm | sarahockler: | @fullofstars Srsly. “Don’t read any bad stuff! B/c nothing bad ever happens in high school.” *rolls eyes at that parent* #kidlitchat |
| 9:15 pm | bonnieadamson: | Good night, all–and thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 9:15 pm | gregpincus: | It has been a frustrating #kidlitchat for many, but I suspect some of these issues will be revisited! Thanks y’all… and keep on talking! |
| 9:15 pm | DesireeAtkinson: | #kidlitchat Click here to browse my crazy pictures.. http://is.gd/2MjvG |
| 9:16 pm | rillajaggia: | @DDHearn Seems to me to be a case of divide and conquer even though it is a class action suit — ironic. #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | kdueykduey: | I have to get back to work, thanks to all for an interesting discussion!!! #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | AudryT: | We were all kids. What did we read that “hurt” us? What was the hurt? Did we manage to grow up anyway? #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | mgbuehrlen: | Well, folks, time to hit it. Later! #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | MyraMcEntire: | Love that everyone is respectful of the opinions of others here. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion. Off to revise! #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | RebeccaMather: | @alijwalker Sometimes parents don’t want to talk about certain topics and books are all the info kids get >agreed #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | sarahockler: | @mgbuehrlen Oh definitely. But when someone implies a book like 13 Reasons Why advocates suicide as a problem solver? Too far. #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | AudryT: | Dammit the crapbots got us. I’m moving to the after kidlit chat room. #kidlitchat |
| 9:16 pm | DDHearn: | I came in too late to figure out what’s going on. My daughter called from Colorado. Only 8:00 where she is. #kidlitchat |
| 9:17 pm | carrharr: | Thanks for an awesome #kidlitchat, peeps! |
| 9:17 pm | peg366: | RT @mytweendom: @LizB my 6 year old chooses her own from a range that I preselect #kidlitchat I do that for my 11 yr old. |
| 9:17 pm | kcclyburn: | #kidlitchat Adults have a lightswitched that turns off when something they turn 25, that makes the forget what it was like to be a teenager. |
| 9:17 pm | EKokie: | thanks for a great chat all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:17 pm | rillajaggia: | @gregpincus No kidding Going crazy here…too much unintended censorship as in dropped tweets. Thanks again, all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:17 pm | dawnmetcalf: | Brilliant people make my night. Thanks, folks! #kidlitchat |
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| 9:18 pm | dlschubert: | Very cool. I think we’ve determined rating books is a bad idea. Power to the people! Night all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:18 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @MyraMcEntire LOL! That is priceless. #kidlitchat |
| 9:19 pm | LizB: | #kidlitchat don’t forget to register for kidlitcon09! http://www.motherreader.com/2009/09/kidlitcon09.html |
| 9:19 pm | debbieohi: | @DDHearn Always nice to get a check! #kidlitchat |
| 9:19 pm | sarahockler: | @RebeccaMather @alijwalker Yep. & those same parents who don’t want to talk about it, want to censor it in books. *head in sand* #kidlitchat |
| 9:20 pm | Natdabrat_1: | Hey Arnold #somebodyshouldatold Ben & Jerry’s Jay-Z Snow Leopard H1N1 #bb11 Chubby Hubby AT&T #kidlitchat |
| 9:20 pm | isabelkaplan: | There’s something called #kidlitchat ? How cool! |
| 9:20 pm | whatthetrend: | Why is #kidlitchat trending? Help explain why at What The Trend? http://wttrend.com/7052 |
| 9:20 pm | debbieohi: | Sorry I wasn’t able to participate much. Hopefully things will work better on my end next time. I enjoyed lurking, tho. Gnite! #kidlitchat |
| 9:20 pm | emilytastic: | @srjohannes I work at an indie. We shelve based on what the age the publisher says the bk is for, but we also use our judgement #kidlitchat |
| 9:20 pm | gregpincus: | When the bots and random posts come, everyone BLOCK the offenders, btw #kidlitchat |
| 9:20 pm | sarahockler: | Where can I get the transcript? (um hi i’m new here lol) #kidlitchat |
| 9:20 pm | gregpincus: | Yay! RT @LizB: #kidlitchat don’t forget to register for kidlitcon09! http://www.motherreader.com/2009/09/kidlitcon09.html |
| 9:20 pm | quirkywriter: | Oops. Just missed #kidlitchat. I was decorating my blog. : ) |
| 9:20 pm | HilaryWagner1: | @EllenHopkinsYA Didn’t know I would get personally attacked for my own Pov. There is YA that does not require swearing. #kidlitchat Hugs! |
| 9:21 pm | WhoisJonathon8: | always preferred Artemis Fowl to Harry Potter. Like you’re surprised… #kidlitchat |
| 9:21 pm | dkonop: | Some of these bks go too far and some explore topics that allow kids to see consequences without actually making those mistakes. #kidlitchat |
| 9:21 pm | WriterRoss: | Just missed the chat, alas. In a Panera’s Cafe, wifi was wi-ffy. :{ Coffee is cold. This did not go as planned at all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:22 pm | dkonop: | That’s what my teenager tells me. #kidlitchat |
| 9:22 pm | gregpincus: | The transcript currently looks liek the Watergate tapes plus some – I’ve got a 17 minute gap #kidlitchat |
| 9:23 pm | DDHearn: | @gregpincus We’ll appreciate anything you can put up. #kidlitchat |
| 9:23 pm | dlschubert: | @gregpincus Don’t know how you do it. But, we thank you.;-) #kidlitchat |
| 9:23 pm | AlleyofBooks: | Just so people who follow me know. I only use this account for #kidlitchat #litchat and other twitter party purposes. =D |
| 9:24 pm | srjohannes: | thanks everyone – see you next time |
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