| 8:01 pm |
gregpincus: |
OK… slow like molasses though we may be in spots, good evening everyone. I’ve got Topic One all lined up #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm |
aecbks: |
Is there a main topic for tonight? #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
EKokie: |
@joycelansky Wow. That was actually easy! Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
gregpincus: |
And we’ll get back to @RillaJaggia’s question later! #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
f_rancesca: |
Hello all! Exhausted after driving 1000 miles in 4 days with 2 kids over 7 bridges. But so ready to talk kidlit… #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
@joycelansky Thank you for that link.  #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
elanaroth: |
@rillajaggia Whoa, heavy question to start! I’m still deciding my opinion and reading things. Mostly I’m still on the fence. #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
gregpincus: |
How can we keep our work contemporary, relevant, AND “appropriate”? What’s taboo in PBs, MG, YA and non-fiction? #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
EgmontUSA: |
Tweet chat just not working at all. Le sigh! #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
DSloanandco: |
Am looking thru tweets & don’t see a topic yet. While waiting, curious: how much time do ye authors spend on soc. media? #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
PeriPam: |
hi all, dropping in for my first kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
rillajaggia: |
@gregpincus Thanks Greg #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
aecbks: |
RT @gregpincus: How can we keep our work contemporary, relevant, AND “appropriate”? Whats taboo in PBs, MG, YA and non-fiction? #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
rillajaggia: |
RT @gregpincus: How can we keep our work contemporary, relevant, AND “appropriate”? Whats taboo in PBs, MG, YA and non-fiction? #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
joycelansky: |
RT How can we keep our work contemporary, relevant, AND “appropriate”? What’s taboo in PBs, MG, YA and non-fiction? #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
laurielyoung: |
@DSloanandco I find myself spending way too much time–not enough time working. But I am very easily distracted! #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
After Tricks by @EllenHopkinsYA, is anything taboo? #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
PeriPam: |
aw, shoot, trying this again. dropping in for the first time #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
swdillard: |
@DSloanandco too much… #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat @elenaroth and other agents – RE: Appropriate: what’s your take on swearing in a manuscript by a first-timer? |
| 8:04 pm |
ktubb: |
RT @DSloanandco: how much time do ye authors spend on soc. media? <–Too much!  Too easy to access from my phone, for sure! #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
Forgot the hashtag. What is the topic tonight? #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@EgmontUSA I’m trying TweetDeck. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
ninaberry: |
Seems to me the only thing that should be taboo is bad writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
JustOneMoreBook: |
@gregpincus taboo? Hmmm.. pushing plastic surgery springs to mind (for some reason ;O) #kidlitChat |
| 8:05 pm |
EKokie: |
@gregpincus great Q. Seems little is taboo in YA these days, but keeping it fresh the issue. I’d say truth – has to be organic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
cathyjuneart: |
@joycelansky Thanks. That was very helpful. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
markblevis: |
@gregpincus I didn’t study for that topic. I might be on the quiet side. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
f_rancesca: |
Thinking about how to make things contemporary is, I think, a red herring. The stories we return to are so much more than now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
gregpincus: |
tweetgrid.com is working fine, fellow chatters #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
joycelansky: |
@rillajaggia @aecbks Oops. Oops. I guess we’re all RTing Greg. Hey, a new verb “RTing.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
carrharr: |
Never done this #kidlitchat thing before. Be gentle. |
| 8:05 pm |
LizB: |
tweetchat working #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
ktubb: |
@gregpincus Appropriate to put “appropriate” in quotes there – who’s defining, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
@DSloanandco I don’t think I want to know. O:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat The MOST challenged book in the USA, for the last 3 years was “And Tango Makes Three” a two dad penguin pb |
| 8:06 pm |
joycelansky: |
You have to be comfortable with what you write. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
teribrownwrites: |
Do you think in this economic climate that full manuscripts are a better option than proposals, even for published authors? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
Hey everyone! How much time spent with social networking? LOTS!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
I feel strange trying to answer the “appropriate” question, but I’ll try. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
kthorning: |
MT Anderson says the last taboo in YA lit is intelligence. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@gregpincus What’s the topic tonight? I’ve just arrived. Sorry. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
aecbks: |
RT @kthorning: MT Anderson says the last taboo in YA lit is intelligence. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
elanaroth: |
@leewind Swearing is like any other word choice: a decision to be made carefully. When needed, it’s fine. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
I’m searching for #kidlitchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/cf69F |
| 8:07 pm |
gregpincus: |
This week, @EllenHopkinsYA had reviewers suggest that her book TRICK wasn’t appropriate. Overuse of the “F bomb” and topics #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
KarenDuvall: |
@DSloanandco re: social media. For me, used to do it a lot. Hardly ever now. Tweet maybe once or twice a day, if even. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
SuePinto: |
I’m searching for #kidlitchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/cf69F |
| 8:07 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
OK, trying TweetGgrid–am I here? #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
The hard part about being appropriate is how to keep things real and remain true to the YA genre. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
literaticat: |
I’m in! What did I miss? #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
f_rancesca: |
The tweetchat speed is actually slow enough that I can simultaneously watch Buffy… not good. Oooh, look posts… #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
PeriPam: |
I’m getting real-time search results at TweetGrid http://tweetgrid.com/ #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
How much of the F bomb is too much? #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
PeriPam: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat @gregpincus Okay, but Ellen’s book “Tricks” is about teen prostitution. Sex is part of that. |
| 8:08 pm |
JustOneMoreBook: |
@leewind re: swearing; in pb’s the word “hate” is a very unfortunate choice #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
rillajaggia: |
How to chat on tweetgrid? RT @gregpincus: tweetgrid.com is working fine, fellow chatters #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
catesfolly: |
I find gratuitous harm to people or animals icky. But 1 prsn’s ick is another’s appropriate. & “gratuitous” hard to nail down. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
ninaberry: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
I concur, @EllenHopkinYA. If it fits and is necessary for the story, then you have to address it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
elanaroth: |
This is a test from tweetgrid. Did it work? #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
marybrebner: |
Language has to fit character and situation. Don’t curse just to curse or to elicit comment. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@ClaraGillow Good question! #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
LizB: |
if the language feels real, I don’t even notice language. that said, language will keep a book out of most k-8 school libraries #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
NOTHING is working for me tonight. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
kathleenfoucart: |
Lurking over on #kidlitchat, but trying to revise at the same time, so probably not saying much. |
| 8:09 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
I concur, @EllenHopkinsYA. If it fits and is necessary for the story, then you have to address it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
f_rancesca: |
Books are sort of condensed, concentrated life w. the dull bits (and the bathroom breaks) removed — language too can be sieved #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
shanasilver: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
muselolita: |
I’m searching for #kidlitchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/cf69F |
| 8:10 pm |
catesfolly: |
I think F*word entirely appropriate in situations where kids that age would use it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
rillajaggia: |
OK,think i got it #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
PeriPam: |
For TRICKS, how could you write and without the F-bomb? Go Ellen, I say. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
gregpincus: |
@ClaraGillow 17 uses per 100 pages. So say I! #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
Trying TweetGrid #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
literaticat: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
zoe_walton: |
Swearing is fine if emotionally approp to scene, but not just ‘because that’s how teens talk’. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@bonnieadamson I see your tweets. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@bonnieadamson Not working for me either #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
marybrebner: |
@teribrownwrites Ooh! You’re going to raise some hackles with that one. Agents say ALWAYS have completed MS before querying. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@jeanie_w That’s odd. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
omgjulia: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
johannaharness: |
@bonnieadamson I’m not seeing much delay in TweetChat (Remembered this week!) #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
leewind: |
RT @gregpincus: @ClaraGillow 17 uses per 100 pages. So say I! #kidlitchat LOL! |
| 8:11 pm |
dosankodebbie: |
@DSloanandco I translate indigenous folktales & spend hrs /day on soc.media just advertising the existence of these ppl #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
hatbooks: |
@ClaraGillow too much is when it stops serving the story and tiring the reader, no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
laurielyoung: |
I’m searching for #kidlitchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/cf69F |
| 8:11 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
I’m searching for #kidlitchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/cf69F |
| 8:11 pm |
f_rancesca: |
@catesfolly Yes, but books are read by children younger than the protagonists who might not yet be talking like that… #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
@gregpincus Heathen! 16 uses, max! #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
SJKessel: |
I think swearing depends on the voice of the character. If that character wants to say fuck, then let them say fuck. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
I think there are gremlins messing with either my computer or tweetchat. . . #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
kdueykduey: |
A few people have objected to my use of language in Skin Hunger. But people starving to death don’t say “shucks”…#kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
I’m searching for kidslitchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/10EoBQ #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
LizB: |
@gregpincus didn’t nick & norah have 17 F’s per page? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
rarararach: |
To agents: What is a story that is not often sent to you that you would like to see more of? I know “less vamps” but more of…? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
EKokie: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
gregpincus: |
This goes to every age group, too. And Tango Makes Three was the most challenged book last year, I believe. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
Ha! I finally see myself. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
aecbks: |
Old rule for swearing was: after page 30, ok. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@gregpincus John Green used the word Frug or something like that. Is that counted as an F bomb? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
catesfolly: |
I see you @bonnieadamson. I’m showing up on Tweetdeck but not TweetChat. Messy tonight huh? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
It’s not just what’s appropriate to a scene, but what’s appropriate for a character. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
f_rancesca: |
RT @zoe_walton: Swearing is fine if emotionally approp to scene, but not just because thats how teens talk. > Exactly. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
gregpincus: |
@zoe_walton but if that IS how teens talk, then isn’t it okay to write that way? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@kdueykduey Exactly!!! Very nicely put. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat @gregpincus actually “Tango” was the most challenged book in the USA for the last 3 years! No f-bomb or sex in it! |
| 8:13 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Besides swearing–how do you research current slang, etc–or do you? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
markblevis: |
I suggest a thorough and honest editing process, particularly by self-pub authors. And, don’t get your friends to edit. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
jamieharrington: |
Yeah… I wonder about that swearing thing… I decided to just make a new word (a la BSG) but I don’t know how it’s going over #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
For me, and as I said on my blog about this, there are words I wouldn’t use. the f-word isn’t one of them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
PeriPam: |
i’m all for the well-placed swear but kids are reading YA younger and younger-implications? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
rillajaggia: |
Agree, if it fits the character. RT @gregpincus: @zoe_walton but if that IS how teens talk, then isnt it okay to write that way? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
leewind: |
RT @kdueykduey “people starving to death don’t say “shucks”! Good Point! #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@gregpincus One would think. I need to read that review. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
@ClaraGillow I don’t think so. (Plus, I think that was @realjohngreen’s homage to J.D. Salinger.) #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@catesfolly Yeah–I’m not seeing myself at all. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
joycelansky: |
I love Lynn Reid Bank’s use of “beard” and “itchy beard” in Indian in the Cupboard. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
EgmontUSA: |
Phew! Made it! #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
kdueykduey: |
@LizB Yes, objections to “language” can keep books out of middle schools. It’s a reality. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
marybrebner: |
Do have to be aware of what’s appropriate, tho. Many school libraries won’t/can’t buy books w/ gratuitous sex, cursing… #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
The Q is, do we want teens to talk that way? What example are we setting in our works? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
aecbks: |
A book has to feel authentic. Sometimes, swearing is authentic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
barbsaka: |
#kidlitchat (on now) is another interesting chat to follow, if you aren’t exhausted from #edchat |
| 8:14 pm |
ktubb: |
@EllenHopkinsYA Hi, Ellen! Can you forward a link to your blog? I saw it tweeted a lot this week. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
LizB: |
@PeriPam kids reading “up” isn’t reason to water down books #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
PeriPam: |
I’m all for a well-placed swear but kids are reading YA younger and younger-interesting implication. Our responsibility? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
RT @PeriPam: im all for the well-placed swear but kids are reading YA younger and younger-implications? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
aecbks: |
I’m only seeing some posts, not all. Weirdness tonight. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
aecbks: |
RT @LizB: @PeriPam kids reading “up” isnt reason to water down books #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
zoe_walton: |
@gregpincus Teens do talk that way, but swearing stands out a mile in a book – takes on more power. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
EKokie: |
It’s interesting. I’ve been getting grief for using F*%k on the 1st page – as if burying it later is fine, but not the 1st page! #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
debbieohi: |
Sorry I’m late! What’s the topic? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
elanaroth: |
Listen to the lady. RT @aecbks: A book has to feel authentic. Sometimes, swearing is authentic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
catesfolly: |
Anyone else read The Knife of Never Letting Go by Ness? Opinions about gratuitous violence? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
kdueykduey: |
@PeriPam True. And some publishers define YA as 12-up. What??? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
jamieharrington: |
I don’t think it’s up to US the writers to censor our books though… that’s really the parents job. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
joycelansky: |
RT @LizB Yes, objections to “language” can keep books out of middle schools. It’s a reality. #kidlitchat <<so true>> #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
RT @gregpincus: @zoe_walton but if that IS how teens talk, then isnt it okay to write that way? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
f_rancesca: |
@LizB @PeriPam Leaving out swearing isn’t necessarily watering down. It has to matter. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
cathyjuneart: |
RT @PeriPam: im all for the well-placed swear but kids are reading YA younger and younger-implications? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
StuGarrick: |
Am having the same challenge novel#2: inner city setting and youth…How to depict real language yet not cross the line #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
laurielyoung: |
@mgbuehrlen isnt it better to reflect the truth, than try to present role models? #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
hatbooks: |
@gregpincus swearing can be a bit like writing dialect, or representing broken language…a little goes a long way #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
heatherwpetty: |
#kidlitchat I don’t think it’s the author’s job to filter just in case younger kids pick up a YA book. That’s the parents’ role. |
| 8:16 pm |
dlschubert: |
I write adult fiction & still watch my language. However, in “real” life, teenagers swear more than adults. Just saying… #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
SJKessel: |
Knife of Never Letting Go was challenging. But that leant to the power #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@elanaroth I think authentic is the key word here. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
markblevis: |
@justonemorebook we should do a 7 words you shouldn’t put in a PB? Hate, stupid… #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
rillajaggia: |
@kdueykduey But kids have always read adult books and still do. so i think books written forthem should feel realor whats the pt #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
LizB: |
re “teens talk”, question is who is your audience? HS teens or middle school teens? #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
gregpincus: |
Then again, think of what Susan Patron went through for using “scrotum” and not even a swear word! #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
leewind: |
@gregpincus “Tango” was the most challenged book for the last 3 years! No f-bomb, no sex. Just a 2 dad penguin family. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
landlroecker: |
Sometimes I think it’s more distracting to use replacement words for swearing…overuse of “fug” takes me out of the story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
f_rancesca: |
RT @hatbooks: @gregpincus swearing can be a bit like writing dialect, or representing broken language…a little goes a long way #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
@laurielyoung Maybe, but we are writing fiction, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
EKokie: |
It seems to me that we write what is approrpiate to the book, and parents must police their precocious “up-reading” 12yos. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
And don’t you sometimes feel swearing is just sort of “in” now–might date a book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
JesseMarieKlaus: |
@catesfolly I read The Knife of Never Letting Go and I don’t believe that the violence was gratuitous at all. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
adamselzer: |
As Tom Lehrer said – “everyone has a cause, mine is obscenity. I’m for it.” But I usually dance around it in books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
moonbridgebooks: |
I would not buy a kid lit book with the F word in it. Other swear words for mid-grade are ok. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
mike_jung: |
@catesfolly Didn’t think KNIFE OF NEVER LETTING GO was gratuitous – it was set in a violent world. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@gregpincus The Newberry Committee didn’t seem to mind:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
kthorning: |
I think it depends on tone and context. I don’t ever think about how often the f word was used in Fat Kid Rules the World. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@gregpincus yes but that WAS gratuitous–don’t you think? #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
CarolTanzman: |
yes. but scrotum was on the first page. would it have been diff on pg. 23? #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
There’s something “taboo”?! #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@leewind I had a school visit cancelled because in my book Hill Hawk Hattie she dresses as a boy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
amylundebrek: |
But we don’t write any dialogue like people really talk…@zoe_walton but if that IS how teens talk, then isnt it okay …? #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@gregpincus Good point, but that was MG. Isn’t YA another game? #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
swdillard: |
@markblevis what are the others?! #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
@PeriPam #kidlitchat Sorry, Pam, but those younger and younger readers are not only swearing, they’re experiencing unimaginable stuff |
| 8:17 pm |
LizB: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
jeanie_w: |
Will teens want to read books with artificially clean language? #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
landlroecker: |
When I was a YA I was reading Stephen King, not a fug to be found in those books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
KarenDuvall: |
I know a lot of folks who started reading YA because of a lack of f-bombs. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
lynnekelly: |
@mgbuehrlen Teens don’t use the language b/c they read it in books; the language is there b/c teens talk that way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
shanasilver: |
I think a well-placed swear word can be very powerful, but wouldn’t be as powerful if used freely #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
TheMeganRebekah: |
Kindergartens hear kids at school swearing. So even if they dont get it at home, they know what it is. Hiding it doesnt work #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
EKokie: |
Actually, that was manufactured by sloppy reporting @gregpincus: …what Susan Patron went through for “scrotum” #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
dlschubert: |
@dlschubert #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
JustOneMoreBook: |
@LizB Water-down, no, but is less swearing watering down? #kidlitchat (I would like myself more if I swore less) #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
leewind: |
@ClaraGillow WHAT? That’s ridiculous!!! I scream “Aaaargh!” on your behalf! #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
debbieohi: |
@EllenHopkinsYA I can’t see myself in the chat yet… #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
johannaharness: |
Language appropriate to characters is more important than language for a general population of teens. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
RT @hatbooks: @gregpincus swearing can be a bit like writing dialect, or representing broken language…a little goes a long way #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
@kthorning I’m going to agree with you on that one — how the words are presented is crucial. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat This is where parents come in, I guess,. |
| 8:18 pm |
PeriPam: |
@EllenHopkinsYA I agree with you. And I don’t think your book should minus a single swear. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
marybrebner: |
Kids know when you’re talking down to them, when you’re watering down. Most won’t even think twice if they see swearing in book #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
adamselzer: |
It mostly depends on whether the publisher intends to market the book as “10/12+ or 14+.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
joycelansky: |
@kthorning You don’t but the kids do–especially elementary age. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
AuthorTaraKelly: |
Hi all! #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
kthorning: |
In The Canning Season the F word was used only one time, but I remember it because it seemed out of place. Gratuitous, even. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
LizB: |
my concern abt “what about the younger readers!” is it would water down YA & MG to make it “acceptable” for 7 year olds #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
ktubb: |
RT @mgbuehrlen: we are writing fiction, right? <– but fiction still has to feel real, or else it won’t be read. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
carrharr: |
For me, the question is whether or not the adult language is necessary enough that I won’t mind losing readers over it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
laurielyoung: |
RT @kthorning: I think it depends on tone and context. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
rillajaggia: |
@EllenHopkinsYA Spot on, and i don’t think not addressing things they struggle with is helping them any. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
shanasilver: |
I don’t think my tweets are showing up? Let’s try this again… #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
f_rancesca: |
@mgbuehrlen @laurielyoung Not cursing does not make a character a role model. It also isn’t automatically realistic… #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@debbieohi Me neither–apparently I can RT, but that’s all. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
worldblee: |
Strangely enough, I think videogames are subject to greater scrutiny for swearing than books are. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
In full agreement. RT @EllenHopkinsYA: #kidlitchat This is where parents come in, I guess. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
sarahockler: |
Hi all! #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
My godmother (a college prof) insisted swears were used when people weren’t smart enough to come up with a better word. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
SJKessel: |
In my experience, if kids have a problem with an issue/word in a book, they put it down. It’s the adults that flip. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
dosankodebbie: |
Agree RT @johannaharness: Language appropriate to characters is more important than language for a general population of teens. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
RebeccaMather: |
@jeanie_w hi, just jumping in, what is this? “artificially clean language?”#kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
shanasilver: |
I think a well placed swear word can be powerful, but it won’t be powerful if used freely #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
EKokie: |
It comes back to authentic voice. And many times swears are authentic. So, at what point does truth bend to good example. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
PeriPam: |
Really I think the younger YA reader indicates a growing need for more challenging content at earlier ages. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
The word “authentic” was used before. I think that’s the best barometer. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
SJKessel: |
But it’s not the adults that I’m writing for. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
LizB: |
no one F word, three SH*t rule; it’s about the book. is that langauge character(s) would use in this situation? is it realistic? #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
johannaharness: |
If swearing isn’t appropriate for a character, it will be more shocking than if it is. It distracts from the story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
RebeccaMather: |
@jeanie_w hi, just jumping in, what is this? “artificially clean language?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
literaticat: |
I read the following before I was 12: Mists of Avalon. Flowers in the Attic. Valley of the Dolls. 9 & 1/2 Weeks. DIDN’T KILL ME. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
markblevis: |
@leewind and Tango is a true story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
joycelansky: |
@shanasilver I don’t see any of mine either, but I saw yours. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
JesseMarieKlaus: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@shanasilver I was thinking the same thing about the tweets, but they do shoe up . .. eventually! : ) #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
laurielyoung: |
the fun of reading up when I was a kid was to look for the swearwords . . . #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
AuthorTaraKelly: |
Testing… #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
sarahockler: |
@carrharr Do u think you’d lose a lot of readers over it? Or just the parents & teachers as gatekeepers? #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
debbieohi: |
Twitter or Tweetchat seems to be having problems tonight. Sorry I’m late. Is the topic the controversy over Ellen’s book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
TizJustStupid: |
RT @markblevis: @justonemorebook we should do a 7 words you shouldn’t put in a PB? Hate, stupid… #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@MyraMcEntire There is a laziness factor, for sure. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
I think sometimes yes, and sometimes a swear is just called for! She’d be so disappointed in me! #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
@carrharr Good pt, but when you look at kids’ dialogue these days swear words are never necessary. Where do you draw the line? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
ktubb: |
@shanasilver I see you. Can anyone see me? I can’t. (and how weird it feels!) #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
@MyraMcEntire I tell people the same thing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
@MyraMcEntire I like that!  #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
SandiBJones: |
Exactly. RT marybrebner Kids know when you’re talking down to them… Most won’t even think twice if they see swearing in book #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
gregpincus: |
Let’s move beyond language alone, though. What about topics? Where are limits? Or are there any? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
EKokie: |
#kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat I agree with EllenHopkinsYA that younger kids are dealing with serious stuff – and I guess that’s why they read up to YA |
| 8:21 pm |
kdueykduey: |
@EllenHopkinsYA One reason kids love your books is the reality-feel of the characters, the language. It’s authentic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
HilaryWagner1: |
@johannaharness Totally agreed. Getting your point across w/o swearing is very possible. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
heatherayris: |
@markblevis I dislike seeing the words hate and stupid in pb’s too. I change them when I read to my kids. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
@CynthiaCWillis Or “honest” #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
Shelltex: |
I agree that it’s about the character being real. Kids know what that character would say in their world. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
LynneaAnnette: |
#kidlitchat Words create as well as reflect reality. When we create realities that threaten (through cussing or elseway), kickback happens. |
| 8:21 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@MyraMcEntire I agree. There are too many other beautiful words to use. My grandma called swearing proof of a limited vocab! #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
carrharr: |
@laurielyoung Hah! I used to highlight them! Embarrassing but true. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
rillajaggia: |
RT @gregpincus: How can we keep our work contemporary, relevant, AND “appropriate”? Whats taboo in PBs, MG, YA and non-fiction? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
alijwalker: |
My kids notice the swearing in books. They say it hurts their hearts. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
peg366: |
#kidlitchat I finally got the kids to quiet down. I |
| 8:21 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@debbieohi What’s “appropriate”–language, subject matter, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
writermomof5: |
@MyraMcEntire LOL That is what I tell my kids. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
literaticat: |
@kthorning I love cursing, but I thought that the “bitch” uttered by Mrs Weasley in the last HP book was totally jarring. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat I don’t think many adult gatekeepers have a real handle on what younger and younger teens are dealing with. |
| 8:21 pm |
f_rancesca: |
Cursing will stand out less if it’s necessary, if it works, if it’s honest, authentic, true. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
LizB: |
@gregpincus i don’t think anything is off limits #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
marybrebner: |
@LizB Exactly. Don’t add in cursing or sex or anything just because it’s shocking or controversial. Stay true to voice. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
catesfolly: |
To me not so much taboo topics but a question of how they’re approached. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
TheMeganRebekah: |
I don’t think there should be clear cut limits in YA or MG. Kids deal with a lot, and want to see characters they can relate to #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@RebeccaMather We’re talking about swearing in YA books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
joycelansky: |
@AuthorTaraKelly I see you. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
AuthorTaraKelly: |
I stay true to the character. Don’t see any other option. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@alijwalker I love that…bravo for your kids:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
Swearing is one thing, but how do we include all the texting/IMing/emailing/chatting + lingo while maintaining a smooth read? #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
gregpincus: |
Sure, younger kids are dealing with more and more today. Still, does that mean they should move up to YA books? #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat The reader messages I get would drop your jaw, and I’m talking from kids 12, 13, 14…. |
| 8:22 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
#kidlitchat Ooh, great question, @gregpincus. I’m writing about the life of a girl-turned-woman–a wedding? affair? miscarriage? Too far? |
| 8:22 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
@alijwalker Awww! That hurts MY heart! #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
JesseMarieKlaus: |
@MyraMcEntire true, but sometimes the only way to say it truthfully and from the gut is with a word like F@#% #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@literaticat Really? Thought THAT was justified. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
carrharr: |
@sarahockler I guess if the book doesn’t get into their hands, they’re lost regardless of who made that choice, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
rillajaggia: |
A recent study shows that swearing can be therapeutic if used when needed…I think this applies to books too #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
marybrebner: |
RT @catesfolly: To me not so much taboo topics but a question of how they’re approached. ~Yes! Was just about to say same thing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
LizB: |
@gregpincus i think religion, politics can be more taboo in mainstream publishing than other “edgy” issues #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
AWayThrough: |
RT@barbsaka #kidlitchat (on now) is another interesting chat to follow, if you aren’t exhausted from #edchat |
| 8:23 pm |
Shelltex: |
It seems nothing is taboo in YA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
RebeccaMather: |
Just because kids are dealing with serious stuff doesn’t mean it’s appropriate #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
I agree with @carrharr – is swearing necessary or extraneous? Does it fit with the character/story or is it just “shock salt”? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat And sorry, I can’t get tweetgrid or the other one to work, so I’m on tweetdeck and can’t see all your responses |
| 8:23 pm |
markblevis: |
#kidlitchat swearing has more of an impact when used rarely. |
| 8:23 pm |
brimeetsbooks: |
@PeriPam had a 9 year old buy Twilight and the Wicked series today. I would say you’re correct #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
dlschubert: |
Listen in on teenagers talking – you’ll hear many f-bombs. I’ve got teenagers – they clean it up when parental units are around. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
adamselzer: |
My editor says “I’ll fight for you if you want to keep ALL of the swears, but it’ll sell better if you drop some.” Me= sellout! #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
DarcyWishard: |
as a middle school librarian I only rule out books where swear words are used page after page after page for no apparent reason #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
PeriPam: |
‘Course kids hear far worse in a one-minute visit to basic cable. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
joycelansky: |
@literaticat That’s funny. I didn’t even notice it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
ReaderNirvana: |
it’s also so much about knowing your lit. I defend what I have b/c I understand the situation which lang is used #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
dosankodebbie: |
@gregpincus I recently translated a pb book where a woman breastfed a bear cub. True to fact, but some adults had trouble w/it #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
carrharr: |
@WeronikaJanczuk Good point too! Will it seem like a copout if I refer back to that authenticity stuff? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
EKokie: |
After Tender Morsels & Living Dead Girl, anything? Bestiality, but we are close with cross-species romances @gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
JesseMarieKlaus: |
@literaticat I totally agree with you about Mrs. Weasley’s comment #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
HilaryWagner1: |
With YA it’s a matter of taste. My characters never swear. I don’t want that in my books…kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
“Shock salt” = adding naughty words to make the story/character more “gritty.” Like rude condiments. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@dawnmetcalf I agree–how to make “current” without being too trendy & dating the book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@rillajaggia Does it apply to writers losing their tempers inside the privacy of their cars? Just askin’ : ) #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
@ktubb And cursing is the factor that makes it real? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
hatbooks: |
@gregpincus as for limits…whatever will NOT help nurture healthy intercultural kids and teens in some way #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat I can’t imagine how you can limit topics, either… not if these things happen to kids in real life. |
| 8:24 pm |
johannaharness: |
Topic reflects audience. @EllenHopkinsYA knows her audience. Not every book will be read by every kid. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@LizB Agree with you about religion and politics. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
janettefuller: |
RT@MyraMcEntire My godmother insisted swears were used when people weren’t smart enough to come up with a better word. #kidlitchat ~ I agree |
| 8:24 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
RT @JesseMarieKlaus: @literaticat I totally agree with you about Mrs. Weasleys comment ///// DITTO. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
@LynneKelly That’s a pretty broad generalization… #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
adamselzer: |
Sometimes I end up saying “I’ll change this a-word to “butt” if I can keep this s-word; it’s not funny if I change it to ‘crap’ #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
kthorning: |
@literaticat I thought it was a tribute to the movie Aliens!. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
literaticat: |
@BonnieAdamson It wasn’t the strength of the word – it just didn’t sound right (to me) coming out of her mouth I guess! lol. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
sarahockler: |
@carrharr True, but then u attract other readers who otherwise wouldn’t have heard of it (i.e. no such thing as bad publicity). #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@CynthiaCWillis Funny. I only swear in the car:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
HilaryWagner1: |
@JesseMarieKlaus Yeah, why did J.K. find that necessary?? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
sarahockler: |
@PeriPam LOL kids often hear far worse from their own parents. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
rillajaggia: |
@CynthiaCWillis Try it and see #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat And yes, how about video games (violence!!) and cable movies (sexual content) and cable comedians (language)? |
| 8:25 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@carrharr @sarahockler Good point. Get books into the hands of kids is first & foremost! #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
catesfolly: |
Side note: my 20 year-old niece fixed some seriously embarrassing anachronisms in my YA manuscript. Fresh young eyes are key. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
elanaroth: |
Sorry, kids. I’m quitting #kidlitchat tonight. Enjoy. |
| 8:25 pm |
johannaharness: |
@literaticat I agree. She’s more the “oh dear, I’m going to have to kill you” kind of character. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
rarararach: |
RT @AuthorTaraKelly I stay true to the character. Don’t see any other option. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
AWayThrough: |
RT @barbsaka #kidlitchat (on now) is another interesting chat to follow, if you aren’t exhausted from #edchat |
| 8:25 pm |
PeriPam: |
@LizB Agreed that religion is still fairly taboo (or lightly handed a la Godless) but also next frontier for YA #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
TheMeganRebekah: |
@CynthiaCWillis LOL! Driving is the only time I curse too #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
ktubb: |
@mgbuehrlen Ah, I can be seen! Was feeling ghosty. No, cursing not only factor of course. But “heck” can feel fake. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
alijwalker: |
I know I offend. But after a few fbombs, I stop reading. Just me being honest.#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
AuthorTaraKelly: |
If the cursing is what the character WOULD do, then yes, it makes it real. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
muselolita: |
I think that if swearing can be avoided in YA/teen lit, it ought to be. But sometimes it can’t be. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
carrharr: |
@dawnmetcalf Oh gosh, yes. And how do you deal with all the texting abbreviations? My brains hurt just thinking about it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@literaticat You’re right, but the shock factor worked, I thought. As a mother, I had those moments! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@janettefuller, @MyraMctire my grandmother used to say swearing showed a lack of vocabulary. I agree. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
kdueykduey: |
@mgbuehrlen I think yes, sometimes, cursing makes teen books more real…because many teens swear. It’s authentic dialogue. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
DarcyWishard: |
middle school kids don’t seem to notice swearing as much as they notice sexual situations #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
rarararach: |
@literaticat I agree. I had to reread the Mrs. Weasley “bitch” thing more than once… Seemed OOC, in my opinion. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
RebeccaMather: |
Yah I think it’s interesting that sex is such a casual subject to talk about. But religion isn’t #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
@ktubb True, I wouldn’t use heck. I guess it just depends on the curse/scene/emotion. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
SandiBJones: |
Kids want to be taken seriously. Watering down isn’t grown-up. Grown-ups curse. If the characters don’t curse=not real. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
RT @rarararach: RT @AuthorTaraKelly: I stay true to the character. Don’t see any other option. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
sarahockler: |
@ktubb Agree. I felt like the overuse of “crap” in Twilight series was a bit fake. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
omgjulia: |
@literaticat Mrs. Weasley’s “bitch” totally worked for me! Funny how these things read differently to different people. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
I think kidlitchat is going wacky. I don’t see all the posts. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
KarenDuvall: |
are fallen angels & half-angel characters considered religeous? #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
jamieharrington: |
@carrharr That’s a good question, when I write the texting abbreviations, I always go back and fix them! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@TheMeganRebekah It relieves the stress, right? But one really must be ALONE. * winks* #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@AuthorTaraKelly As opposed to using “gosh darnit” or “golly gee” which, while milder, sounds mighty lame nowadays! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
joycelansky: |
@ktubb A teenager would never say, “Heck.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
johannaharness: |
It’s also okay not to read or have your kids read topics w/ swearing. There doesn’t have to be one standard for all. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
heatherwpetty: |
#kidlitchat I think shying away from controversial topics does our readers a disservice. But my favorite writers always present all sides. |
| 8:27 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Do ALL kids swear now–or are we just saying they all hear it & it’s no big deal? #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
f_rancesca: |
RT @muselolita I think that if swearing can be avoided in YA/teen lit, it ought to be. But sometimes it can’t > then it’s right! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
RT @alijwalker: I know I offend. But after a few fbombs, I stop reading. Just me being honest. << Me too! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
RebeccaMather: |
Hey kids it’s ok to have sex- wear a condom, let’s be hush hush that we’re Christian and love God ok. Right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
KarenDuvall: |
@alijwalker Same here. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@joycelansky @ktubb Exactly! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
inkyelbows: |
#kidlitchat is happening NOW. Topic: What’s “appropriate”–language, subject matter, etc. Twitchat tips: http://bit.ly/writerchats |
| 8:27 pm |
johannaharness: |
I do think choice of topic can limit our possible audience, either being too prim or being too graphic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
Shelltex: |
I agree some video games and the animated series they’re watching use far worse language than most books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
TheMeganRebekah: |
@joycelansky Teens do say heck. My sis is 16, an athlete and tries not to curse. Heck is a good fall back #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
Oh pooh. Oh bother. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
For me, the bottom line is: teens are smart. If I’m fake or forced or inauthentic, they’ll call me on it. (And dump the book.) #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
I think the bottom line is this … what kind of responsibility do we have to our readers? Should we “rate” books? PG, R, etc? #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
alijwalker: |
@ johannaharness lol! Thanks, @WeronikaJanczuk and @PattyJMurphy #kitlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
LizB: |
readers vary like books; some readers may be turned off by F word, but others would feel bk w/out it isnt’ real #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@KarenDuvall Depends on the context, I think. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
zoe_walton: |
Are fallen angels the next vampires? RT @KarenDuvall: are fallen angels & half-angel characters considered religeous? #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
johannaharness: |
If we find some kind of middle ground, we’ll likely reach the biggest demographic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
Shelltex: |
I think some kids do use crap excessively because it’s the only almost swear they can get away with in front of adults.#kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
@joycelansky I did. (say heck) #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
carrharr: |
@sarahockler Very true. But does that mean we should all swear b/c of the free publicity? (Yes, I’m exaggerating!) #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
crissachappell: |
@AuthorTaraKelly Exactly. Otherwise they will smell BS… #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@dawnmetcalf LOL!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
kthorning: |
Don’t know if it’s taboo but something we rarely see depicted in ch/YA bks is cross dressing. Also transgender parents. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
LizB: |
absolutely no rating on books! YA may have mature language & topics. that its YA is enough notice #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
lynnekelly: |
RT @LynneKelly @mgbuehrlen Of course we’re not talking about *all* teens; authors write dialog that’s true to their characters #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@KarenDuvall I’d think it depended how you were defining “angels”, IMO. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
RT @johannaharness: If we find some kind of middle ground, we’ll likely reach the biggest demographic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
gregpincus: |
@johannaharness Does it limit… or do some people seek out topics specifically, thus growing a committed audience? #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat in Suzanne Young’s “The Naughty List” her MC “invented” swear words and then the few real ones POPPED! |
| 8:29 pm |
kdueykduey: |
@rillajaggia Swearing is a mild rebellion for teens. I mean, it won’t hurt them or others like drinking, drugs, speeding, sex #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
@johannaharness But if you compromise the story, you might not reach any. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
AudryT: |
Who would get to decide the book ratings? Everyone’s got different standards. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
@HilaryWagner1 #kidlitchat You are limiting your audience, but if that’s okay with you, it’s all good. |
| 8:29 pm |
joycelansky: |
@MyraMcEntire The best way to sell books would be to get it an R rating. Kind of like the popularity of publicly banned books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
LynneaAnnette: |
#kidlitchat Test |
| 8:29 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
RTmgbuehrlen RT @alijwalker I totally agree. Offensive language can be offensive. Maybe, that’s why it’s called that??? #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
PeriPam: |
@MyraMcEntire personally I’m entirely opposed to rating books. That’s up to parents, I believe. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
rillajaggia: |
I think you need decide what works for you the author. If you do something you’re uncomfortable with kids will know. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
landlroecker: |
My parents always let me read whatever I wanted, never censored. If I was able to read it, it was mine. Made me want to read! #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
I’m curious what others think: What particular situations are too “mature” for YA? How much should writers expose? #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
ReaderNirvana: |
@MyraMcEntire I think a “rating” system is pretty subjective and can censor #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
rarararach: |
RT @johannaharness: If we find some kind of middle ground, we’ll likely reach the biggest demographic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
PinkLockerMom: |
@gregpincus I was at a rdg for 13 Reasons Why & it was full of younger kids. A little worrisome given the main char. kills self. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
alijwalker: |
@Shelltex Yeah, it’s the only one I let me kids get away with:)#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
PeriPam: |
Then again, my mother gave me run of the full library at age 10 or so. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
Shelltex: |
I don’t think I would ever be on board with rating books. Funny that I’m okay with it for movies, though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
mgbuehrlen RT @alijwalker: I agree. I think offensive language can be offensive…maybe,that’s why we call it that? #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
rarararach: |
RT @landlroecker My parents always let me read whatever I wanted, never censored. Made me want to read! #kidlitchat — Same here!!!! |
| 8:30 pm |
marybrebner: |
Okay, kids, I’m off to read & sleep. Have a good chat-solve those questions so I can be better informed in the morning! ‘Night! #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
catesfolly: |
Anyone feel like they read a book “too early”? The Exorcist ruined me for a few years (I read it at 11 and wish I hadn’t) #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
If librarians/booksellers but most importantly PARENTS were involved it wouldn’t be an issue. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
PeriPam: |
Too many think that books are kids’ first introductions to tough realities. They are, instead, meditations on them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
JesseMarieKlaus: |
@PinkLockerMom how young were these younger kids? #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
As a teen, I didn’t mind swearing if it didn’t take me out of the book. Otherwise, it’s just author vanity. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
SJKessel: |
@KarenDuvall I think there’s an instant implication. Depending upon how the world is built, you can play with it. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
AudryT: |
I could argue that the offense we take at offensive words is conditioned; would be great to see a YA book play off of that. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
alijwalker: |
@AudryT Book ratings would be a great idea. They have them for movies, why not books?#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
peg366: |
#kidlitchat I’ll bet. |
| 8:31 pm |
sharonluvscats: |
my mom never knew what books i was reading. she doesnt like to read so she never asked. I turned out fine…mostly! #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
dlschubert: |
@AudryT Like movies – certain words and certain levels of sex would be rated a certain way. Sounds like a possible idea… #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
DarcyWishard: |
Have you heard a middle school hallway? They cuss like truckers! #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
literaticat: |
This shouldn’t be a consideration for writers, but it might be for your editor – you can’t have “content” & get into book clubs. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
RT @BonnieAdamson Do ALL kids swear now–or are we just saying they all hear it & it’s no big deal? #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@carrharr @TWalk I have often handed my page of texting-text over to teen students & asked them to translate it into IM-speak. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
And I meant ratings as *suggestions*… #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
LynneaAnnette: |
#kidlitchat Words bring worlds into being. |
| 8:32 pm |
EgmontUSA: |
I HATE the idea of rating books. Imagine the parental advisory label smacked on the front of an otherwise beautiful cover! #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
T @landlroecker My parents always let me read whatever I wanted, never censored. Made me want to read! #kidlitchat Hear, hear! |
| 8:32 pm |
alijwalker: |
@Marybrebner…good night!#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
KindrilyKaren: |
I just write what feels true to my story and characters. Worry about the rules or reader opinions later. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat aiming for the “middle ground” worries me. Will a story be “true”? if we’re so careful not to offend? |
| 8:32 pm |
Lisa_Frame: |
@landlroecker Same here. I was never censored and much better read and prepared even in college. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
peg366: |
RT @alijwalker: @AudryT Book ratings would be a great idea. They have them for movies, why not books?#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
EKokie: |
Any other “taboo” topics? I agree on maybe trans parents/crossdressing. Anything else? #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
rillajaggia: |
My parents censored for ‘adventure’…made me want to read too. RT @landlroecker My parents always let me read whatever I wanted #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
kellyande: |
#kidlitchat Take a walk down my school’s hallways and say that cursing is inappropriate in a YA novel. Is literature supposed to be real? |
| 8:32 pm |
teralynnchilds: |
@KayCassidy Yeah. Not feeling the kidlitchat. |
| 8:32 pm |
adamselzer: |
There’s no standards or guidelines for movie ratings – they’re totally arbitrary. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
KarenDuvall: |
Or maybe not “ratings” but “note to readers”? #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@rarararach RT @landlroecker My parents always let me read whatever I wanted, never censored. Made me want to read! #kidlitchat – Me 3! |
| 8:32 pm |
AudryT: |
If a child is old enough to DO something, they’re certainly old enough to read about it, and maybe should. (Suicide, for ex.) #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@PinkLockerMom I agree, so many not equipped for that yet. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
SandiBJones: |
I didn’t love to read until I read adult books (horror, romance, mystery) with language and real adult situations. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
carrharr: |
@jamieharrington Me too. I cannot stand abbreviating, but not to do it is to be unrealistic. No win situation there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
literaticat: |
By “content” I mean, no sex, no swearing, no violence, no drugs, no demons, no shapeshifting, no bras on the cover. (No joke!) #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
laurielyoung: |
All the more reason to be authentic RT @LynneaAnnette: #kidlitchat Words bring worlds into being. |
| 8:32 pm |
catesfolly: |
The age labeling has quite a history — big controversy in the UK, right? Seems like a bad idea to me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
peg366: |
#kidlitchat would work for me as a parent figure. |
| 8:32 pm |
lynnekelly: |
@mgbuehrlen …still, the books are not where teens pick up the language; they already know it & many use it. Of course not all. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
landlroecker: |
@dlschubert yes, but if you start rating books that leads to censorship. I am totally against this idea. Aage ranges are enough #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
gregpincus: |
@hatbooks But we clearly will all disagree on what does/doesn’t nurture, wnot we? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
ReaderNirvana: |
“Ratings” on books are subjective and tend toward censorship in many cases. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
sarahockler: |
@EgmontUSA Yes but that would drive sales! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@MyraMcEntire I agree. Parents/librarians/teachers need to know that YA is going to have a full buffet of offerings. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
LizB: |
This Film Is Not Yet Rated: Exposes the many issues in film rating. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
AudryT: |
We rate manga (comics). Every pub has a diff. standard. Only the Mature & All Ages ratings have much relevance. Rest is muddled. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
rillajaggia: |
Why? RT @EKokie: Any other “taboo” topics? I agree on maybe trans parents/crossdressing. Anything else? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@EKokie A lighter sort of taboo–anyone see EA’s rant against inanimate objects? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
SuePinto: |
As parents, writers, etc., what is acceptable is subjective but is there an unspkoken (or spoken) industry standard inYA, MG? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
When I was 11 I was reading books out of my aunts “dirty” drawer. Who needs ratings when there are ripped bodices?? Am I right?? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
shanasilver: |
I personally don’t think swear words are that big of a deal. They’re in movies, music. Real life. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
hootandflutter: |
In this day and age it’s a cinch to pull a review up and know, even in the bookstore. Ratings would be redundant. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
carrharr: |
Ditto! @EgmontUSA: I HATE the idea of rating books. Imagine the parental advisory label on an otherwise beautiful cover! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
peg366: |
#kidlitchat Anote might be a great thing. |
| 8:33 pm |
srjohannes: |
really they rate movies and it doesnt seem to impact sales? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
gregpincus: |
@adamselzer There are standards for movie ratings… just arbitrarily applied #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
So if we impose levels/parental advisory into YA, where is the distinction between YA and adult? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
Lisa_Frame: |
@kellyande I am late tonight, but agree. Take a walk down the halls of a school. Even elementary and you would be shocked. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
heatherwpetty: |
Shouldn’t be that way. RT @kthorning: .something we rarely see depicted in ch/YA bks is cross dressing. Also trnsgender parents. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
DarcyWishard: |
No rating of books! Blah! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
PinkLockerMom: |
@LandLroecker Me, too. My mom even signed something at the library, giving me free roam! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
kcclyburn: |
I dont think my other evr stopped me or my sister from reading anything b/c she realized the importance of us reading PERIOD #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
ReaderNirvana: |
RT EgmontUSA I HATE the idea of rating books. Imagine parental advisory label smacked on otherwise beautiful cover! #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
kellyande: |
#kidlitchat YA lit. should reflect life – not someone’s sanitized view of it. I know how my students speak and it’s not Donna Reed Land. |
| 8:34 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
FEED by MT Anderson is still my fave example of the “feeling” of advanced IMing tech without all the actual text written-out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
carrharr: |
My problem with ratings is the same as with movies. There’s so much subjectivity that I still want to see before my kids do. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
landlroecker: |
@MyraMcEntire RT Who needs ratings when there are ripped bodices?? Am I right?? — HELL YEAH! #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
LizB: |
GLBT content in films gets more stringent ratings than excessive violence; i wouldn’t want to see same type of censoring in bks #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
EgmontUSA: |
@sarahockler Oh the sales for teens, themselves. But I see so many other shying away. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
@gregpincus I think we can agree that swearing is NOT nuturing:( Nice words are:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
alijwalker: |
@EgmontUSA. They could put the rating discretely on the back. Easy reference for parents and teens to check.#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
EKokie: |
Ratings seem wrong to me. Parents must police their kids who are too immature to read whatever YA. Kids mature enough, roam free #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
CarolTanzman: |
no ratings please. who to do it? what is appropriate for one 13 yr old is not for another. they self select books. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
leewind: |
#kidlitchat Thanks to all – enjoyed tonight’s swearing focus! Now off to read to my kid! Will look for cussin’ in “The Wizard of Oz!” |
| 8:34 pm |
laurielyoung: |
@MyraMcEntire LOL #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
@lynnekelly Sure, not saying it is. But I think a truly great writer can avoid the major swears artfully. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
jamieharrington: |
@carrharr #kidlitchat yes, exactly. I know that kids abbreviate texts, but it looks so bad in print! |
| 8:34 pm |
joycelansky: |
@landlroecker It sort of happens already. School librarians have books that give the “appropriate” age for books & ours censors. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
johannaharness: |
@gregpincus I think both are true. Small, committed audience vs. larger general audience. True for both ends of spectrum. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
kdueykduey: |
@PattyJMurphy But not everyone calls it that. And teens are often trying to revolt a bit. Many have good reason to be angry….#kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
TheMeganRebekah: |
No ratings, please. A parent can flip thru a book in a store much easier than browse thru a movie. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@MyraMcEntire My first “naughty book” was Catherine, by Anya Seton–lol #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
teribrownwrites: |
@hootandflutter Yes, if parents are concerned about their child’s books tehy can read the reviews. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
@bonnieadamson Loved the rant! #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
Of course, MT Anderson is incredible. So. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
hatbooks: |
@gregpincus of course there won’t be consensus on what will nurture… #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
ktubb: |
Philip Pullman argues that ratings, especially in the form of age ranges, might inhibit reluctant readers. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
kellyande: |
#kidlitchat They want to live with characters who speak to them, not at them. |
| 8:35 pm |
landlroecker: |
@PinkLockerMom RT Me, too. My mom even signed something at the library, giving me free roam!-Awesome! Will do the same 4 my kids #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
PeriPam: |
@teribrownwrites Or, you know, read the books #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
#kidlitchat There are “ratings” of a sort. My books are listed as 14 and up…. who gets to define “graphic” sex or violence? |
| 8:35 pm |
jmstro: |
RT @inkyelbows #kidlitchat is happening NOW. What’s “appropriate”–language, subject matter, etc. Twitchat tips: http://bit.ly/writerchats |
| 8:35 pm |
carrharr: |
@dawnmetcalf That’s a good idea. I just get all irate over improper spelling, because I am a nerd. That’s my real issue! #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
adamselzer: |
If there were TV ratings when I was a kid, I’d've wasted a LOT less time watching shows that turned out to have no nudity. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
debbieohi: |
I’m here but lurking, by the way. Tweetchat is acting up, but I can still read. Enjoying the discussion! #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
sarahockler: |
@carrharr Hmm… maybe just on the jacket copy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
gregpincus: |
I think book ratings are a non-starter, and I would fight vigorously against them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
williamschultz: |
Sales implication-super stores may reject books with “inappropriate” content: Wal-Mart demanded clean reprint of My Sister Jodie #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
dosankodebbie: |
@gregpincus If my pb hadn’t won a publishing grant, the publisher would have rejected it for the violence done to the bear cub. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
aecbks: |
Sadly, I have been to Board of Ed meetings where parents rant about inappropriate books simply because of language. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
omgjulia: |
@ktubb I agree with Philip Pullman on that point! Ratings for books seem like a really bad idea. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
zoe_walton: |
I agree. RT @LizB: GLBT in films gets more stringent ratings than excessive violence; wouldnt want to see same censoring in bks #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
muselolita: |
Thing is, kids sure aren’t learning swear words – or even about violence and sex – from books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
@adamselzer LOL #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
SusanUhlig: |
Agent question – if an agent rejects a project from potential client, should writer submit another project to same agent or not? #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
muselolita: |
They’re learning about this stuff through primetime TV and their friends. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
heatherwpetty: |
@alijwalker The problem is… who rates them? And who enforces the ratings? Do we not let a 13 yr old buy a rated R book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
jeanie_w: |
I would’ve liked ratings when I was a kid. Would’ve made it easier to find the dirty books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
rillajaggia: |
Ratings? Half of the things I ever read weren’t even seen by my parents. Why add another level of censorship. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
LynneaAnnette: |
RE http://bit.ly/lmykG #kidlitchat Well-parented children are wonderfully stretched by freedom. |
| 8:36 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@DanyelleLeafty But do you agree? Too many exceptions! #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
DarcyWishard: |
my experience is that kids like to read “up” middle school likes to read about older teens, older teens about college age etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
PattyJMurphy: |
alijwalker@EgmontUSA: Maybe, ratings like the music industry does??? #kidlitchat #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
johannaharness: |
@teralynnchilds The story has to come first. But what story you choose to tell impacts language. Both side of spectrum. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
cjredwine: |
I read books b/4 giving to my kids. Don’t need ratings to stay informed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat Book club royalties pretty much stink. Be true to yourself and forget selling 1M books at 2 cents each |
| 8:36 pm |
AudryT: |
Truth is, you could have given the books I read as a teen any rating and I still would have read them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
dlschubert: |
@adamselzer Hee hee. How true! #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
RT @jeanie_w: I wouldve liked ratings when I was a kid. Wouldve made it easier to find the dirty books.<–haha #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
carrharr: |
@WeronikaJanczuk I agree, altho I think it depends on the story. In a story abt drug addicts, I might ? the absence of swears. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
ColeGibsen: |
I think our responsibility as writers of YA is to not shy away from what kids are already exposed to n real life #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@LizB RT GLBT in films = more stringent ratings than excessive violence; i wouldn’t want to see same type of censoring in bks #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
I learned everything I needed to know from PORKY’s on HBO and Harlequin romances. Oh, and the back of the bus. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
rillajaggia: |
hah! RT @jeanie_w: I wouldve liked ratings when I was a kid. Wouldve made it easier to find the dirty books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
cuppajolie: |
@jeanie_w Ah! So true! #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
srjohannes: |
i dont think rating are bad.have you guys gone to commonsensemedia.org. they rate books & movies on a few different categories. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
EKokie: |
Any rating would be subjective – who decides? Seems once a teen, why restrict anything published as YA? @alijwalker #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
zoealea: |
I think that kids should choose what they read. I choose books that I think I can handle reading. It all depends on the person. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
jamieharrington: |
I think it’s a little different readng the stuff than seeing it on TV though, at least with reading it’s still about imagination #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
Off to bed. Great seeing you all! #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
suzanne_young: |
If books were rated I think editors might waterdown content to sell to wider audiences.Then edgy YA might get cut back. Not cool #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
johannaharness: |
If you want ratings, talk to a librarian or a small bookshop owner before getting the book. They know. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
literaticat: |
@EllenHopkinsYA Well I did specifically say that it shouldn’t be a consideration for authors! lol #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
muselolita: |
Giving a higher rating to a book will probably just encourage teens TO read it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
@ktubb #kidlitchat http://bit.ly/ebaO0 |
| 8:37 pm |
EKokie: |
True! RT @AudryT: Truth is, you could have given the books I read as a teen any rating and I still would have read them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
kcclyburn: |
#kidlitchat sometimes I think there will be, like, a parental advisory sticker on kid lit and YA someday… |
| 8:38 pm |
jamieharrington: |
@ColeGibsen I think that’s very true, they don’t want to be preached to OR treated like babies #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
alijwalker: |
It’s hard when you have a bunch of kids to read everything beforehand. Quick reference for busy moms would be helpful. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
rillajaggia: |
80% of my tweets are not getting through — talk about censorship! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
LynneaAnnette: |
RE http://bit.ly/V8eAm #kidlitchat funny! |
| 8:38 pm |
literaticat: |
@EllenHopkinsYA But SOME, like scholastic and aladdin authors, will have to bear it in mind. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
srjohannes: |
I go there 2 look @ books & movies before i get them for my kids. i think its hard 4 a parent to know what’s N a book #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
DarcyWishard: |
yeah the more “taboo” the book the more the kids want to read them! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
@carrharr GAH, Me too!!! Reading IM or l33t makes me want to grab my Red Pen O’ Doom! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
MitaliWrites: |
Hey! Jumping in and out. Has anyone mentioned the gaming industry’s intense self-regulation to avoid government intervention? #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
PinkLockerMom: |
@JesseMarieKlaus Here, you’ll see the girl who read with the author. http://bit.ly/Qrg8r #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@jeanie_w Funny! Ratings are a tip off! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
srjohannes: |
I think some type of rating would help – it would have to be the right system though b/c I definately dont want censorship. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
muselolita: |
RT @jeanie_w: I wouldve liked ratings when I was a kid. Wouldve made it easier to find the dirty books. #kidlitchat < Exactly. |
| 8:38 pm |
joycelansky: |
@adamselzer LOL #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
cheriwilliams: |
I made it home in record time! Catching up on chat now… #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
AudryT: |
And ratings are flawed, b/c they don’t allow for how every child matures at a different speed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
EKokie: |
Exactly! YOU decide for your kid RT @cjredwine: I read books b/4 giving to my kids. Don’t need ratings to stay informed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
#kidlitchat A lot of talk about exposing kids to “real life.” Still not sure where we draw the line between YA/adult. |
| 8:38 pm |
debbieohi: |
Thank you for the RTs! @rillajaggia @amgamble #kidlitchat@cbadov @alisonkent @trishaleighKC @ClaraGillow @kuhlcat |
| 8:38 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
@bonnieadamson I didn’t totally agree, because there are some good exceptions. The Giving Tree comes to mind. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
dosankodebbie: |
@ColeGibsen Not all kids are exposed to the same thing tho, how can we make that a guideline? #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
EgmontGal: |
Hi gang, I just showed up and with author Laurie Calkhoven #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
carrharr: |
I second @johannaharness! Nothing can truly replace being proactive abt reading material. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
ktubb: |
@EllenHopkinsYA Thank you! #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
PeriPam: |
I’m ready to march on Washington if they start stickering our books with ratings. Righteous indignation at the ready. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
I read reviews, ask people, google … there are things I know I don’t want to read. But kids? If a parent isn’t an advocate? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
zoealea: |
@suzanne_young Edgy YA is a lot of the times more fun to read. It also teaches us more too. (in a way) #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
WeronikaJanczuk: |
#kidlitchat Is it a question of how the teen MC deals with the issues? Or the issue in itself? |
| 8:39 pm |
aecbks: |
RT @carrharr: I second @johannaharness! Nothing can truly replace being proactive abt reading material. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
dlschubert: |
Don’t get me wrong, I read whatever I wanted and so did my kids. Ratings would be for overprotective parents. Did I say that? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
LizB: |
don’t need ratings; just realize that YA is 13-18 & if parent is that controlling abt what 14 yo reads, let parent preread book #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
srjohannes: |
For example: how would a parent know that Twilight has some sexy and scary stuff if their 10 year old wants to read it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
CynthiaCWillis: |
@PeriPam I’m right behind you! #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
RT @dosankodebbie: @ColeGibsen Not all kids are exposed to the same thing tho, how can we make that a guideline? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
LizB: |
@PeriPam I’m with you! No stickers! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
rillajaggia: |
@WeronikaJanczuk Kids are already ‘exposed’ to real life, why shouldn’t they read how to deal with it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
EgmontGal: |
Sales reps beg us to put warnings on their sell sheets and spell out all content issues but we resist. but accounts want it! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
johannaharness: |
@EgmontGal Hi Laurie! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
lynnekelly: |
@EgmontGal Perfect! We know what kind of content *you* look for! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
rarararach: |
RT @suzanne_young If books were rated I think editors might waterdown to sell to wider audiences Then edgy YA might get cut back #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
Again, my only beef with a lot of swearing in kidlit is that most of the time, it’s the author’s own vanity. In my experience. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
Lisa_Frame: |
@PeriPam I will go with you. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
ClaraGillow: |
@EgmontGal Yay! Hi Laurie Calkhoven! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
EllenHopkinsYA: |
@PeriPam #kidlitchat I’m with you. Ratings will by their nature equal censorship. That is a parent’s job (but good luck with that). |
| 8:40 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@MyraMcEntire Especially now that schools are axing librarians . .  #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
adamselzer: |
Overall, I’d say there’s nothing wrong with swearing in MG, even, but how much to use in books depends on who you want to buy it #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
joycelansky: |
@omgjulia Pullman’s book caused such a stink in the bible belt. It made 1/2 the folks want to read it to see what upset people. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
EgmontGal: |
Also, have you seen the picture book age code “ages 3 – 8″ What 8 year old and 3 year old like the same book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
alijwalker: |
Such a debatable topic. When you’ve got a bunch of kids, it’s hard to read everything beforehand. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
laurielyoung: |
RT @LizB: @PeriPam I’m with you! No stickers! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
literaticat: |
Kids are very good at self-censoring. Most kids I know will put a book down if they aren’t ready for it… #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
DanyelleLeafty: |
RT @carrharr: I second @johannaharness! Nothing can truly replace being proactive abt reading material. Third this! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
Rimbaum: |
RT @muselolita: RT @jeanie_w: I wouldve liked ratings when I was a kid. Wouldve made it easier to find the dirty books. #kidlitchat Exactly |
| 8:40 pm |
jamieharrington: |
I have said before that 13-18 is a HUGE age range. Right now YA’s a very all encompassing genre. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
AudryT: |
Ratings that were level-oriented rather than age-oriented would probably be too much to ask. Librarians are a good alternative. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
LizB: |
parents have such different issues. I had parents who didn’t want books that showed their kids that other kids were poor #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
hatbooks: |
U.S. pubs seems more cautious than other countries re. content…many Japan authors are amused by what gets cut for U.S. market #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
srjohannes: |
commonsensemedia.org is great I look up appropriate books and movies for my kids. they do ratings based on certain criteria #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
ColeGibsen: |
@dosankodebbie great point! I don’t think anything should be off topic – but the responsibility we have as authors is n message #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
jamieharrington: |
@literaticat that’s very true with a book, they are more likely to not read something than not WATCH #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
aecbks: |
RT @literaticat: Kids are very good at self-censoring. Most kids I know will put a book down if they arent ready for it… #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
gregpincus: |
But wait – this “how would a parent know what’s in it?” thing isn’t new. We all survived…. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@adamselzer there’s an issue with swearing in MG books if you want schools or Scholastic to buy. more leniency in YA #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
dawnmetcalf: |
As far as rating – what we have to do is hope librarians make sure books get into the hands that need them. Good librarians=GOLD #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
No ratings. Parents should be held accountable to be involved in what their kids read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
johannaharness: |
Ratings would never cover all objectionable material. Some religious ideas cross the line for me. OK for others. Just not me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
EKokie: |
@WeronikaJanczuk I don’t think there is a content line anymore short of pornography/erotica. And teens read adult books, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
suzanne_young: |
I think the difference btw book & movie ratings is that in movies they see the images, but in books it’s their imagination #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
MyraMcEntire: |
I don’t think I fully grasp why a rating as a suggestion is a bad idea. Not RESTRICTING, just SUGGESTING. Not meaning to offend. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
literaticat: |
… Or “bad stuff” will go over their heads. Most 9 year olds who read SISTERHOOD OF THE TRAVELING PANTS didn’t notice the seks. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
PeriPam: |
@literaticat I agree re: kids self-censoring… though I think that gets dampened when kids sample content together. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
pvlundqvist: |
If we have book ratings, are we really going to make booksellers and librarians police kids choices? #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
EgmontGal: |
We had a bookseller complain about the father being a bad dad in Make Way for Ducklings! You can never predict #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
moonbridgebooks: |
Do kidlitbooks need to be rated for content? esp middle school books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
mgbuehrlen: |
Truth is, most kids hear worse words at home than in kidlit.
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