Kidlitchat Transcript – October 20 (part 2)
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| 8:38 pm | brimeetsbooks: | @crissachappell I think I’d agree with that – and see them stressing college apps, etc, like they are? #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | marjorielight: | @jennymckmoss 7th gr boys reading Diary of a Wimpy Kid, any MG about sports, tons of graphic novels, some fantasy #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | jamieharrington: | @crissachappell but how much are they reading? #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | thaliachaltas: | Horrors! RT @jeanie_w: Around where I live, teenagers seldom read YA because theyre too busy preparing for SATs and AP exams. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | gavinobrown: | @LiaKeyes The boy readers jump to adult lit while non-readers just stop. Adult genre SF and Fantasy is already at a teen level. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | srjohannes: | @LJBoldyrev yeah I heard death is the new life like green is the new black  #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | cbrett60: | @thaliachaltas thats understandable, but if you know some one that reads you should know about the same kind of books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | SarahBWinters: | When I worked B&N I would always tell mom?s about Monster by Walter Dean Myers most HS bots loved it (was a few yrs ago) #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | Becky_Levine: | RT @EKokie: I keep hearing “boys dont read” but I see the contrary. We need to stop saying it & just pub good books ;} #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | LJBoldyrev: | I do agree with trends in the market, though. Good point. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | emilytastic: | @RebeccAgent I think boy books are sometimes overshadowed by girlie YA. (I have a guide for “dude books” at the store, too) #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | JessieHarrell: | I’m off everyone. Must go work on definitively YA WIP. Thanks for a fun chat! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | LiaKeyes: | Absolutely! RT gavinobrown @LiaKeyes It’s largely a question not of what actually happens, but how much blood you show. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | TrishDoller: | @RebeccAgent I’m certainly not saying they have NOTHING. I’m just saying YA is heavily weighted for girls. I shelve it everyday. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | kcclyburn: | @RebeccAgent Frank Portman is the entire reason I started writing again. “I Love You Beth Cooper” is the best “boy book” EVAR. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | literaticat: | I am actually really frickin sick of people saying there are “no boy books” and “no boy readers” – my events prove otherwise. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | EKokie: | @TrishDoller I’ll give you could be more that speak to the issues more common to boys, but too many discrim for silly reasons #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | cbrett60: | @thaliachaltas true readers will read anything you give them, usually. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | BellaStander: | Not necessarily. See Pullman’s YA Sally Lockhart mysteries. @bonnieadamson I think historical with 15-yo wd very likely be MG #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @RebeccAgent: Amen…and Sherman Alexie, Rich Wallace, Maze Runner author–can’t remember his name, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | mgbuehrlen: | I think a book can be too adult for someone, but I don’t think a book can be too young. I still love a good picture book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | jamieharrington: | @skodobah oh I bet! I think that would be nice to write without the girlness! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | karianneholt: | Booksellers have to know about YA and “upper-MG” but so do the mktg folks at the pub houses, I think. How do we win them over? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | _rachelsimon: | @JessieHarrell Bye! See you next week hopefully! #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | bonnieadamson: | @Becky_Levine Mine ages from 12 to 15–def. not edgy: Tom Sawyerish, so I’m thinking MG. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | gregpincus: | So labels are really for guidance… as a broad label to help. But what if pubs sometimes use it as a sales tool? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | thaliachaltas: | Gaiman? Stroud? Pullman?RT @RebeccAgent: boys dont have anything to read? What about John Green? Frank Portman? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | jennymckmoss: | my next book I wrote as YA (15 yr old MC) now being marketed as MG romance – so u never know #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | SarahBWinters: | lol bots = boys… #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | sharifwrites: | @DDHearn When I was in junior and high, teen girls were reading V.C. Andrew–dark “adult” books with teen protags. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | kcclyburn: | Anyone who doesn’t think boys read are being silly and insulting–I read all the time when I was a teen and I do now too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | literaticat: | Now there are too many VAMPIRES, i’ll give you THAT…  #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | KayCassidy: | Booksellers: Do “cleaner” YA books (no sex/drinking/drugs/swearing) ever get shelved with MG? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | EKokie: | @literaticat Yup. I keep getting into fights on this. And I think the more we say it, the more boys (& parents) think it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @LiaKeyes @LiaKeyes A teen boy was so embarrassed to buy Twilight in front of me at Walmart. He nearly passed out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | emilytastic: | @literaticat I had a customer complain that we didn’t have any boy books. I wasn’t at the store, and it was frustrating to hear. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | cbrett60: | @EgmontUSA absolutely. Weather or not they are strong or week readers most people like to read for enjoyment #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | jamieharrington: | @literaticat I just think there are a lot of female authors who write for girls on the internet… they don’t see the other side #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @literaticat true it depends on the boys my nephew was a voracious reader #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | _rachelsimon: | RT @literaticat: Now there are too many VAMPIRES, ill give you THAT… #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | debbieohi: | I do, too! RT @mgbuehrlen: …I still love a good picture book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | tehawesomersace: | @kcclyburn What’s interesting is that I Love You Beth Cooper was in the adult fiction section at my local BN. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | RebeccAgent: | the paranormal trend definitely favors girl readers, but there are plenty of great non-paranormal romance books for boys… #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | varianjohnson: | @gregpincus That’s EXACTLY what they used them for–sales. Screw guidance. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | quirkywriter: | RT @elanaroth: Tween is really just MG with a little lipstick. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | PattyJMurphy: | RT @mgbuehrlen: A book can be too adult.. but I dont think a book can be too young. I still love a good picture book. <SO TRUE!> #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | RebeccAgent: | …and girls who don’t go for that kind of thing #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | srjohannes: | so if editors and agents say – we are looking for Mg? or we are looking for YA? what age are they asking for ? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | cbrett60: | @literaticat Give vampires a year or two and that fad will be over #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @mgbuehrlen Oh, I so agree. I, too, love a good picture book! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | ChristineTB: | Lol – I know a lot of teen boys who read Twilight (but won’t admit it) They borrow the book from my daughter. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | EgmontUSA: | @KayCassidy GIRL protagonistwith a princess, and it’s a middle grade story. Clean as a whistle, but that she’s 16 is important. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | carolgrannick: | @KayCassidy Yes, in libraries for sure. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | marjorielight: | @jennymckmoss 7th gr girls rdng more diverse some chicklit, YA, historical fiction, not so much sports or graphic #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | yachicka: | Have enjoyed following #kidlitchat – must go watch GLEE on DVR now |
| 8:40 pm | thaliachaltas: | Fine for the industry, but kids will read what they want! RT @gregpincus: But what if pubs sometimes use label as a sales tool? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | Trying to keep up with #kidlitchat, but by ‘too tame’ for YA I mean subject matter, in line with @EgmontUSA ’s comment. |
| 8:40 pm | crissachappell: | @Georgia_McBride one of my male college students is reading Twilight. His friends were making fun of him…but he just shrugged. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | TrishDoller: | @KayCassidy Yes. One that comes to mind off top of head: Viola in Reel Life. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | @literaticat My 14 yr. old son reads tons but wishes there were more contemporary funny guy stories a la SWIM THE FLY. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | LiaKeyes: | E-READER! RT @Georgia_McBride: A teen boy was so embarrassed to buy Twilight in front of me at Walmart he nearly passed out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | thaliachaltas: | Are we running out of blood?? EEEK! RT @cbrett60: @literaticat Give vampires a year or two and that fad will be over #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | debbieohi: | LOL! –>RT @ChristineTB: I know a lot of teen boys who read Twilight (but wont admit it) They borrow the book from my daughter. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | bonnieadamson: | @BellaStander Not saying all are–just that it might be more likely for an historical 15 to be MG than it would for contemp. 15 #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | kcclyburn: | I think some of it is that female authors don’t think they can write boy protags. They think it’s difficult, or something. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | emilytastic: | I think a lot of stores/libraries lose boys to the adult genre fiction. They graduate from Harry Potter to the Dresden Files. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | marybrebner: | RT @literaticat: Now there are too many VAMPIRES, ill give you THAT / LOL-though my guy students love 8th GRADE BITES series #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | joiedelire: | @RebeccAgent Which ones are you thinking of? #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | cbrett60: | I read Twilight, it was a decent series. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | marjorielight: | @SarahBWinters Our librarian has used grant money to expand our offerings for the var needs of our middleschoolers #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | _rachelsimon: | @yachicka Bye, have fun watching Glee! #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | literaticat: | @tehawesomersace “I love you beth cooper” was pubbed as a grownup book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | LJBoldyrev: | Why does everybody always hate on the vampires? lol #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | SheviStories: | Can others here add to this list MG books with teen MCs? Ella Enchanted, The Princess Diaries… #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | ChristineTB: | @cbrett60 Vampires are cyclical. Think Anne Rice – like fashion, it all comes back around eventually. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | RebeccAgent: | of course I know that boys are reading Twilight too #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | DDHearn: | @EKokie There is a belief that boys will only read about boys but girls will read about both. Does this mean more boy protags? #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | hatbooks: | Agents and eds–If a book is to be a crossover MG/YA what is the accepted age range for the MC? #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | kinksgem: | Agreed. If I even THINK I see “vampire”,I put it down.RT @literaticat Now there are too many VAMPIRES, i’ll give you THAT… #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | kcclyburn: | In the meantime I see male writers more willing to take a swing at writing female protags. Why the disconnect, my dear #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | jennymckmoss: | @crissachappell a lot of my friends’ husbands are reading Twilight #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @EgmontUSA I think that is fine because girl readers like to read about older characters #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | KayCassidy: | Cool! RT @emilytastic: I think boy books are sometimes overshadowed by girlie YA. (I have a guide for “dude books” at the store) #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | debbieohi: | An advantage of e-book format. –>RT @LiaKeyes: E-READER! RT @Georgia_McBride: A teen boy was so embarrassed…etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @ChristineTB LOL. I just tweeted about it. My husband read the series and loved it. but won’t admit to his friends, brother too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @crissachappell You tell that boy to GO! Woot! That’s a real man! #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | To use a film example, the kids of High School Musical are young adults, but who is the target audience? Much younger. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | RebeccAgent: | but we all know those books are geared to girls and girls are their main audience #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | tehawesomersace: | @literaticat Ah, that explains it. Another sleeper cell! #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | karianneholt: | Had a 4th grader ask me what “tween” meant today. I told him, he made a face and then said, “That sounds dumb. I’m a kid.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | sandyalonzo: | I wonder how indie booksellers contribute to what kids read. Our local seller said all they buy is vampire books. Hmmmm. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | kcclyburn: | @literaticat If I ever write a damn vampire novel, I’m making vampires badass again. No more of this “sensitive bad boy” bull. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @debbieohi ROFL. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | EgmontUSA: | Sorry that I’m so slow to respond. TweetChat is obviously overloading. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | jeanie_w: | @kcclyburn No idea. I write boy protags. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @CynthiaCWillis I could read Kate DiCamillo every day. Does that make her books adult? No. It’s not always about who’s reading. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | SheviStories: | There are so many dark MGs, starting with Goosebumps and every MG by Neil Gaiman, like The Graveyard Book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | crissachappell: | @jennymckmoss When I asked why he liked Twilight, he said, “I enjoy the dialogue.” LOL (he said the other stuff was boring) #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | cbrett60: | @ChristineTB So do werewolves, aliens and Frankenstein, just needs a good writer to tell the story #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | debbieduncan: | RT @RebeccAgent: boys don’t have anything to read? What about John Green? Frank Portman? #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @LiaKeyes ROFL AGAIN! #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @DDHearn I think so at least that is what I always found to be true #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | LiaKeyes: | Funny – no one responded to my tweets as @Scribblerati… as soon as I switched back to @LiaKeyes I got flooded! #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | Becky_Levine: | @emilytastic Dresden Files. Exactly what mine did. He did like ZEN AND THE ART OF FAKING IT, tho. Humor. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @kcclyburn Such a shame that some female authors don’t think they can write boy protags. I so loved writing Buck Fever! #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | TrishDoller: | @DDHearn It helps. I’ve shown boys Hunger Games and Uglies and they’ve not liked the fact that they have girl protag. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | susan_marie: | Our reading–we who write for children & teens–we have a lot to do. Adult books and books for young people, both. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | clkblade5: | Lies. The writing is poor and the plot (or lack there of) is thin. RT @cbrett60: I read Twilight, it was a decent series. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | sharifwrites: | @Idaho_Laurie There’s a series called Adrian Mole Diaries–funny stuff, from the 80’s I believe. In adult section, but def YA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | LJBoldyrev: | @kcclyburn YES! I love vampires but I think with a lot of YA lit, they’ve gone too far off the beaten path. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | emilytastic: | @karianneholt I don’t think I knew the word “tween” when I was one. It wasn’t a big buzzword like it is now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | DDHearn: | @jamieharrington I agree that hopefully more upbeat books will come into fashion. Aren’t we supposed to be in an era of hope? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | KayCassidy: | @TrishDoller Really, Trish? I didn’t know Viola was in that vein. Do you shelve in both then or just with MG? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | marybrebner: | Guys less adventurous in reading choices than girls–girls willing to try all genres; many guys want “guy” books. Not girlie. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @crissachappell I don’t understand the teasing. At least he’s reading. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | catesfolly: | @maggiedana that’s Attwell with 2 “t”s I think. But I’m going to Maine to meet her this weekend and can ask! #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | KateMessner: | To those asking about ages of MCs – don’t worry. Ages can always be tweaked after a book sells. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | EKokie: | @DDHearn I know people believe it, but I don’t. I think belief based on conditioning & societal messages. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | BellaStander: | Nowadays FIFTEEN by Beverly Cleary is prob MG. I read it at 12. @dlschubert @elanaroth Very hard to do MG w 15-y.o. protag. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | thaliachaltas: | @LiaKeyes I did! I responded to scribblerati! I love that name. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | srjohannes: | @_rachelsimon isnt glee on tomorrow night? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @sandyalonzo: Many INDIE bookstores hand sell books…To match the right book to he right kid. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | jeanie_w: | @sharifwrites Love Adrian Mole. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | KayCassidy: | @carolgrannick I’ve definitely seen that in our library as well. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @EgmontUSA At what age do publishers consider a protag to be to old to keep it in the YA realm? #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | thaliachaltas: | @LiaKeyes And Lia is very nice as a name, as well. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | jamieharrington: | @DDHearn yeah, I think that will be reflected in novels #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | EKokie: | good point RT @KateMessner: To those asking about ages of MCs – don’t worry. Ages can always be tweaked after a book sells. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | LiaKeyes: | I haven’t read THE MAZE RUNNER yet. I hear tons of buzz – anyone read it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | kcclyburn: | @marybrebner That’s not really true either: I read lots of girl books when I was younger. Just not in public #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | Becky_Levine: | When my son walks into some bookstore YA sects, all he sees is pink.Walks right out. @literaticat–NOT your stores. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | TrishDoller: | @debbieduncan As I said, Green and Portman are great choices for boys, but there needs to be MORE. Not better. MORE. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | debbieohi: | Loved this series. And yes, YA. –>RT @sharifwrites: Theres a series called Adrian Mole Diaries… #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | emilytastic: | @PattyJMurphy Heck yeah, we do! It’s my favorite part of my job. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @CynthiaCWillis my sister thought the same thing until she got grabbed by a story she had to write then it was easier #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | _rachelsimon: | @srjohannes It is, but they had DVR’d the last episode. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | SarahBWinters: | @marjorielight That is wonderful! hubbys not getting ANY book money this yr (not even grants) we r donating books this yr(sad) #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | thaliachaltas: | That’s what they do best! RT @PattyJMurphy:@sandyalonzo: Many INDIE bookstores hand sell books.To match right book to right kid. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | ChristineTB: | @clkblade5 Yes – but she’s making millions with that “poor” writing. I’m willing to do that (under a pseudonym, of course) #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | crissachappell: | dark stories create a safe place for readers to explore their fears. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | lisa_schroeder: | With 2 boys, I can tell you boys want action and adventure. Keep things moving! Think The Lightening Thief series. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | srjohannes: | @emilytastic maybe term started b/c alot of books were either 15 year old or 12 year old so middle schoolers were left out? #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | carolgrannick: | @BellaStander I see FIFTEEN in MG sections in libraries. Read it in 5th grade. God, the thrill! #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | kcclyburn: | I read a LOT of Baby Sitters Club when I was younger, because I felt like there wasn’t any “boy” books, so I just read whatever. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | marybrebner: | @kcclyburn LOL-true! I was thinking that after I posted. Reading “girlie” books on the sly… #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | ChristineTB: | Yes, Glee on during YAlitchat  (I watch online the next day) #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | BellaStander: | That’s bc kids like to read abt older chars. We’re too old to care. @lyonmartin I read more MG and YA than my teen does. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | emilytastic: | @Becky_Levine I’ve actually used that term before – the pink wall. It’s getting so much better, though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | sandyalonzo: | @PattyJMurphy Yes, I’d like to see our Indie bookstore form a more flexible attitude! I’m in a small community in central CA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | AS_King: | Why mostly male authors for boy reading lists? Boys read all sorts of books–even ones with female protags. #cooties #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | LJBoldyrev: | @crissachappell I agree, I don’t think there is anything depressing about them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @Becky_Levine I think it was like that for a long time. Now it’s dark, goth, gloomy. Needs a balance. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | thaliachaltas: | Nicely said. RT @crissachappell: dark stories create a safe place for readers to explore their fears. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | srjohannes: | @_rachelsimon whew! i freaked for a sec! #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | LiaKeyes: | Love you 4 that! www.scribblerati.com RT @thaliachaltas: @LiaKeyes I did! I responded to @Scribblerati! I love that name. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | sarahockler: | @SheviStories Are Sarah Mlynowski’s books considered MG with teen protag (Bras & Broomsticks series)? #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | debbieohi: | Very true–>RT @crissachappell: dark stories create a safe place for readers to explore their fears. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | srjohannes: | @lisa_schroeder hey lisa! what do your boys read? do they only read boy protags? #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | crissachappell: | @Becky_Levine Also…some bookstores smush the “children’s section” with the YA (and toys). What teen wants to walk into that? #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | dlschubert: | I’m not concerned w/YA vs MG when I write. I just write the story that wants to be told. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | DDHearn: | @literaticat And now it seems Zombies are taking the place of vampires. ICK. But I hear boys like zombies more. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | EKokie: | Back to orig topic – agents/editors, will you suggest age/content adjust if book ptched as YA or MG & you think better as other? #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | LoulieArt: | My 9 yr old son is nuts over Percy Jackson #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | srjohannes: | @sarahockler i love those books #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | jillsalexander: | @TrishDoller My middle school son really loved Andrew Smith’s GHOST MEDICINE. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @PattyJMurphy Which you simply cannot beat–hand-selling books is so important today. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | _rachelsimon: | RT @dlschubert: Im not concerned w/YA vs MG when I write. I just write the story that wants to be told. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | brimeetsbooks: | @lisa_schroeder Word. And then I point them towards Skulduggery Pleasant, Kingdom Keepers, Jake Ransom #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | varianjohnson: | @TrishDoller Do you consider @realjohngreen ’s books “boy books”? #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | thaliachaltas: | @LiaKeyes If I came here with epiphanista they wouldn’t know me, may not respond as easily either. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | emilytastic: | I think age of character is almost irrelevant. Zu Vincent’s book has an 11yo protag, and it’s YA. Def. not for MG readers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | @marybrebner Agreed. Covers are very important to boys. Hard to sell my son on a book that has a pic of a girl on the cover. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | cbrett60: | @AS_King Some of my favorite books have female protagonist #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | joiedelire: | Nicely put. RT @crissachappell: dark stories create a safe place for readers to explore their fears. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | SarahBWinters: | @marjorielight they let him know all funding is short, and he lost working his lunch, he’s doing it now for free #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @KateMessner You mean after a book sells to a publisher right? LOL #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | thaliachaltas: | And someone will read it! RT @dlschubert: Im not concerned w/YA vs MG when I write. I just write th story that wants to be told. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | srjohannes: | @EKokie ohhhh good questions! #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @jillsalexander Jill is here!!!! Yea Jill!!! : ) #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | marybrebner: | @AS_King They do, but books need to be less PINK–more socially acceptable for guys to read if covers/titles are gender-neutral. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | emilytastic: | @varianjohnson I do! The new Paper Towns cover is a godsend. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | sarahockler: | Agree. more abt content, MC’s choices, situations. RT @KateMessner: MC Ages can always be tweaked after a book sells. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | cindypon: | @EKokie well i was thrilled to have 3 boys at bookclub today. i asked if my hot pink heroine cover meant they arent interested ..#kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | EKokie: | LOVE Skulduggery Pleasant! @lisa_schroeder Word…then I point them towards Skulduggery Pleasant, Kingdom Keepers, Jake Ransom #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | jeanie_w: | My nephews read and enjoyed HUNGER GAMES. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | kcclyburn: | @crissachappell My local Waldenbooks did that. It’s awkward enough being 23 in YA section, now its back near the picture books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | skodobah: | It’s liberating to be “the boy” and carry a wallet instead of a purse. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | TrishDoller: | @varianjohnson Only in the sense that they have male protags. But they DO stand out as “boy books” on the shelves. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | bonnieadamson: | @DDHearn Zombies don’t have the romantic overtones. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | DDHearn: | @CynthiaCWillis I’m probably going to stick with writing PBs. But even there one has to think about it being appropriate for PB. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | srjohannes: | @DDHearn i dont know…. forest of hands and teeth is good and a strong girl protag #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | KateMessner: | @Idaho_Laurie My son read LIFE AS WE KNEW IT w/ book club cover that had a pink dresser on it. (but wouldn’t take it to school!) #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | @sharifwrites Oh gosh. I never thought about Adrian Mole. Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | _rachelsimon: | Hi @jillsalexander and @AS_King. Welcome! I guess I miss your entrances (sorry). #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Georgia_McBride: | @dlschubert Good for you. Great advice. Write what wants to be told. I learned that the hard way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | gregpincus: | I read the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew both when I was young, though the writing was, of course, so superior in the Hardy Boys #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | cindypon: | @EKokie and one boy said not necessarily. i think it does vary individually! #kidlitchat but maybe there is some general truth? |
| 8:48 pm | amgamble: | @literaticat Again with the covers–my boys are even interested in the princess books, but not in toting around a pink book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | jimhill: | @BonnieAdamson @LoulieArt I’ve just started the Last Olympian. Great adventure books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @debbieohi: Safe places to explore fears, see how kids their own age (or near) solve problems, deal w/issues. (Like bios 4 me:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @EKokie subject matter such as? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | crissachappell: | @kcclyburn and they shove all this crap with the books–like teddy bears and dolls, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | sharifwrites: | @debbieohi @jeanie_w Finally, I’ve met people who read those books. Great, mislabeled YA from the 80’s. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | littlefluffycat: | @DDHearn I still gotta go find that essay Mr. King did about what all the monsters represent. I forget what zombies are. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | lisa_schroeder: | @srjohannes 15 YO is all fantasy. Adult star wars novels, loved Hunger games/sequel tho. 12 YO Rel Rdr is reading Light Thief. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | EKokie: | LOL RT @cindypon.. i was thrilled to have 3 boys at bookclub today. i asked if my hot pink heroine cover meant werent interested #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | RebeccAgent: | I will ask a client to revise if I think there is a disconnect between voice or circumstances and the age of the protag #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @DDHearn Ahhh, so true. There is no escaping the age thing, is there? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | thaliachaltas: | @jillsalexander Welcome, Jill! Congrats on your novel! #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Georgia_McBride: | RT @crissachappell: @Becky_Levine Some smush the “children’s section” w/YA (and toys). What teen wants to walk into that? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | marjorielight: | @SarahBWinters Often I wish libraries were funded before sports…our library is the heart of our school! #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | kcclyburn: | @gregpincus Well naturally. The Hardy Boys frickin’ rock. Nancy Drew…meh. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | skodobah: | It’s a short story for me tonight – gotta go! Good to chat with everybody. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | marybrebner: | @jeanie_w See! Great book, strong female MC but gender-neutral cover. No embarrassing title, either. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @marybrebner: @AS_King Books need to be less PINK–more acceptable for guys to read if covers/titles are gender-neutral. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | KateMessner: | @Georgia_McBride Yes – one of my MCs got a year older as soon as the book sold. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | lisa_schroeder: | For a GREAT teen book for boys, you HAVE to check out FLASH BURNOUT by @lkmadigan!!! Funny book with lots of heart! Male POV. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | Georgia_McBride: | RT @debbieohi: Very true–>RT @crissachappell: dark stories create a safe place for readers to explore their fears. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | gregpincus: | RT @EKokie: agents/editors, -will you suggest age/content adjust if book pitched as YA or MG & you think better as other? #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | emilytastic: | @amgamble What do they read? Shannon Hale? Patricia C. Wrede? I’m interested! #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | sharifwrites: | @Idaho_Laurie The British slang takes getting used to, but those are laugh-out-loud books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | carolgrannick: | RT @gregpincus Who cared about writing when I was lost in Nancy Drew? #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | EKokie: | @mgbuehrlen If thought some of book needed to be substantively revised to make YA or MG, if pitched as the other. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | thaliachaltas: | RT @RebeccAgent: I will ask client to revise if I think there is a disconnect between voice or circumstances and age of protag #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | sandyalonzo: | @gregpincus I read both, too. (Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew.) #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | KateMessner: | Amen! RT @marjorielight Often I wish libraries were funded before sports…our library is the heart of our school! #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | happybluejess: | @emilytastic I think that’s the same for DOWN SAND MOUNTAIN, maybe a little older, though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | LoulieArt: | A little old for 9 yrs, but he devours them. RT @jimhill: @BonnieAdamson @LoulieArt Ive just started the Last Olympian. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | SarahBWinters: | @marjorielight I 100% Agree!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | jennymckmoss: | @gregpincus those are fightin’ words #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | SheviStories: | I have a funny YA vampire WIP. It’s kind of like Cinderella, if Cindy were a geeky guy turned geeky vampire. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | teen or ya should always be outside of kids I always insisted on it #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EgmontUSA: | @MyraMcEntire It depends on content of story more than age of character, but I start getting nervous at 18. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | srjohannes: | @RebeccAgent what if U thought it was more marketable/sellable to publisher as a YA – would you change it from MG? #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EKokie: | RT @RebeccAgent: I will ask client to revise if I think there is a disconnect between voice or circumstances and age of protag #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @gregpincus: My dear mother read Nancy Drew books to me. Always ended at a key moment…to build excitement. Loved that. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EgmontUSA: | So sorry about how slow this all is. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | lisa_schroeder: | I really believe for boys, it’s about a fast moving, gripping plot. Make ‘em want to turn those pages. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | AdrienneKress: | @debbieohi @EKokie amen, I can attest to that, I get just as many emails from boys as girls re: “Alex”/”Timothy” – #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | LiaKeyes: | Get used to @Scribblerati if you can, please! RT @thaliachaltas: @LiaKeyes @Scribblerati! I love that name. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EgmontUSA: | It seems better now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | SarahBWinters: | RT @marjorielight: @SarahBWinters Often I wish libraries were funded before sports…our library is the heart of our school! #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | BellaStander: | They sell better. Hence initials for fems PL Travers, JK Rowling, ME Kerr. @AS_King Why mostly male authors 4 boy read’g lists? #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | librarybeth: | RT @KateMessner Amen! RT @marjorielight Often I wish libraries were funded b4 sports…our library is the heart of our school! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | srjohannes: | @lisa_schroeder she’s hilarious! love her. #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | crissachappell: | @KateMessner Amen. I just visited a school and the librarian has to hide certain books (like Ellen Hopkins) because kids steal #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | KateMessner: | Yes! RT @lisa_schroeder: For a GREAT teen book for boys,check out FLASH BURNOUT by @lkmadigan!!! Funny book with lots of heart! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | susan_marie: | @RebeccAgent And there’d be need to revise in case of disconnect btwn voice and age whatever the age of intended audience, yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | hatbooks: | Sid Hite’s I’m Exploding Now is an amazing YA “boy” book…talk about voice! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | emilytastic: | @KateMessner And arts programs! My HS football team lost 90% of its games, but still got infinite funding. Arts programs got cut #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @lisa_schroeder also the Redwall series which is another example of placement in the adult section #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | debbieohi: | @AdrienneKress I just ordered both your Alex & Timothy books! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontUSA Have you tried logging out & back in again? Seemed to work for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | Georgia_McBride: | Checking out of #kidlitchat. Thanks, everyone. See you tomorrow @ 9PM for #YAlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | elisawikey: | When I work on a story or illustrations I think about what I would’ve liked as a child, not what is considered ‘age appropriate’ #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | EngridE1: | @SheviStories GREAT character!!!!!!! A geeky vamp #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | KayCassidy: | @lisa_schroeder Yes. Fast-paced and/or humor. Big draws there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | BellaStander: | @AS_King Which leads to asking why you’re AS King instead of Amy…#kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | RdngTeach: | RT @librarybeth Amen! RT @marjorielight Often I wish libraries were funded b4 sports…our library is the heart of our school! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | RebeccAgent: | @srjohannes that;s a tricky ? I work mostly with MG and PBS #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | cbrett60: | @KateMessner @marjorielight Same herem my schools library is 7 stories #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | thaliachaltas: | I do think that teens recognize that protag over 18 is now out of their range… not that they won’t read, but not 1st choice. #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontUSA if you got in a MG and thought it woudl sell better as a YA – woudl you ask to change age? or no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | EgmontUSA: | I just did. Much better. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | 30daysof: | Looking for great plays to read for ages 10-12? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | _rachelsimon: | Hey you guys, I’m going to study very hard now for my midterm. Great chatting with you all. See you next week! Bye! #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | RebeccAgent: | a book is most marketable where it fits #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | srjohannes: | @Georgia_McBride bye! #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | EgmontUSA: | oops. Thanks for the tip @BonnieAdamson. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | bonnieadamson: | You CAN’T just change the age of a MC! Voice, situations, viewpoint would all change, right?!? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @EgmontUSA That’s the impression I’ve gotten. Lucky wizards came of age at 17 at Hogwarts! #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | varianjohnson: | @emilytastic @TrishDoller Wonder how many of the bks on the YALSA Teens’ Top Teen are boy bks. Paper Towns &The Graveyard Book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | mgbuehrlen: | RT @EgmontUSA: It depends on content of story more than age of character << Exactly. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | RebeccAgent: | if the voice, character, story and subject are MG I wouldn’t ask for revision to make it YA. Make sense? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | emilytastic: | @thaliachaltas I think there’s a HUGE age gap between 17 and 19. The leaving home thing does it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | KateMessner: | Tiny bit off topic, but has anyone read THE MAGICIANS? Adult book, but I think it will find a lot of older YA readers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | LiaKeyes: | Bye, Georgia! RT @srjohannes: @Georgia_McBride bye! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @gregpincus I read both but like HB cause they were cute #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | LoulieArt: | Seems a big leap for boys from Nate the Great books to Lightening Thief. What are some good in-between ones? school needs more. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | dlschubert: | True genius! RT @RebeccAgent a book is most marketable where it fits #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | saundramitchell: | @BonnieAdamson Depends on how big the change is. 14 to 13, not a big deal. 17 to 14, kind of a big deal. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | EgmontUSA: | @srjohannes Yes, I would. I’ve asked an author to age down a character for me, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | senorparrot: | Teen Read Week: Reading Marcelo in the Real World. After that starting Everlost #kidlitchat #yalitchat #YAlit |
| 8:53 pm | karianneholt: | My agent and editor asked me to change MC age and alter some language and scenes to make my books more MG and boy-friendly. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | debbieohi: | @sharifwrites I didn’t like the older Adrian Mole books as much, though. Did you? #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | kcclyburn: | Boy books exist, but sometimes they aren’t marketed as well as “girl books”, mayhaps? #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | RT @bonnieadamson: You CANT just change the age of a MC! Voice, situations, viewpoint would all change, right?!? YES!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @elisawikey:I also picture the kids that I am writing for. I see them…really see them. And, no, I am not a drinker:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | EgmontUSA: | @RebeccAgent Indeed! #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | KateMessner: | @bonnieadamson If you’re changing by just a year? Some tweaking takes of of that. 3-4 years? Then it’s a much bigger revision. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | sarahockler: | Is there more gray area b/w MG and YA, or YA and adult? #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | sandyalonzo: | @bonnieadamson I tried that once (just changed the age of the MC) because my agent wanted her older. My editor caught me! #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | sharifwrites: | @bonnieadamson Yes. A lot of work. Everything needs to be revamped. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | SheviStories: | @gregpincus An editor recommended I switch one YA to an MG but also suggested the adult market. I chose the latter. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | thaliachaltas: | Yup. Coming of age. RT @emilytastic: @thaliachaltas I think theres a HUGE age gap between17&19. The leaving home thing does it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | gregpincus: | @RosemaryMarotta and the Hardy Boys made a better TV series, too! #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | debbieohi: | RT @PattyJMurphy: I also picture the kids that I am writing for. I see them…really see them. And, no, I am not a drinker:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | RedBalloonBooks: | @jeanie_w Have your nephews read “Knife of Never Letting Go”?? That is THE BEST!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | emilytastic: | @karianneholt was it hard to do/did it bother you? #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | srjohannes: | @RebeccAgent yes but what about if it was in 14/15 range and that age determined Mg or YA? see what Im saying? just curious #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | lisa_schroeder: | @RebeccAgent I think writers worry about the difference between say, 12 YO and 14 YO. But isn’t it mostly about subject matter? #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | sharifwrites: | @debbieohi No, I loved the first two. Older ones didn’t seem as fresh. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | bonnieadamson: | @saundramitchell But we’re talking a genre change. Might as well start over. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | 30daysof: | @PattyJMurphy I see my characters too. It makes me need to drink =) #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | DDHearn: | @bonnieadamson I agree if you change age of MC after first draft you are in for some heavy revision. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | sarahockler: | Not nec. Depends on maturity lev. of MC RT @bonnieadamson: CANT just change age of MC! Voice, situations, viewpoint would change #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | sandyalonzo: | @sarahockler I think there’s plenty of gray area in all age-assigned books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | sarahjanestudio: | True genius! RT @RebeccAgent a book is most marketable where it fits #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | catesfolly: | @emilytastic I think a lot of kids have left home by 17 (emot’lly if not physically) – that leaving home gap in my mind is 15-20 #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | emilytastic: | @srjohannes In that case I would think the content of the book would determine YA/MG. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | AS_King: | @BellaStander b/c I write gender neutral books. Another hurdle is most people don’t rec girl protag books to boys. #cooties #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | debbieohi: | @sharifwrites Me too. I missed Adrian’s innocence in the later series. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | KayCassidy: | @RedBalloonBooks I keep hearing such great things about Knife! #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | genrelibrarian: | RT @librarybeth RT @marjorielight Often I wish libraries were funded b4 sports…our library is the heart of our school! #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | debbieohi: | RT @30daysof: @PattyJMurphy I see my characters too. It makes me need to drink =) #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | MyraMcEntire: | I’m a thirty – mumble mumble YO that reads solely YA. 15 or 17? Not a big dif for me. But I see why it would be for teen. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | thaliachaltas: | No fighting you guys. This is a family chat. RT @gregpincus: @RosemaryMarotta #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | lisa_schroeder: | Even tho my novels say 14+, I have 12 YOs writing me that they luv ‘em. Some kids are more ready than others for tough subjects. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontUSA do bookstores ever demand that? a change in age? #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | Scribblerati: | If you write YA subject matter, better make sure the preoccupations, attitude and voice is also YA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | EKokie: | @bonnieadamson Sometimes I crit & the MC is 14 but the MC feels 12, minor change. But if MC felt 14, then changes drastic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | emilytastic: | @catesfolly True, but there’s life experience that comes with being in college/on your own/out of your parents’ house. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | TrishDoller: | @KayCassidy Knife is AWESOME. (Also, Viola is shelved YA) #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | thaliachaltas: | @gregpincus Besides, I just read some Hardy Boys recently. Wow, were they um, poorly written! #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | JoTreggiari: | Adrian Mole rocks!RT @Idaho_Laurie: @sharifwrites Oh gosh. I never thought about Adrian Mole. Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | RebeccAgent: | if a client writes a 12 year old character who is believable and the story is believable, it’s MG. Same for 15 and YA #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @AS_King True, I think if they are recommended, boys will be more likely to give them a try. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | karianneholt: | @emilytastic It bothered me at first, but once I started revising, everything fell into place. I was shocked I had wanted it YA! #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | debbieduncan: | @TrishDoller More new boy books: FOOD, GIRLS, & OTHER THINGS I CAN’T HAVE & today’s release FLASH BURNOUT. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | catesfolly: | @emilytastic I think leaving home starts with a drivers license. I think too much high school-focused YA misses this. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | KateMessner: | @lisa_schroeder Yep – My girls are devouring your books this year – they’re 12. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | kcclyburn: | @thaliachaltas YOU LIE! #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | KayCassidy: | @sarahockler I agree. Had an editor who wanted my 16yo to be 12-13, but we passed b/c it would’ve changed the entire story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | marjorielight: | G’nite all – thanks for some great thoughts to dream about tonight! #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | kellybarnhill: | Hi #kidlitchat folks! I’m bummed that I missed the party! Sherman Alexie was beyond awesome, though. |
| 8:57 pm | srjohannes: | @senorparrot everlost isgood! #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | debbieohi: | Augh. So many bks I want to get! Budgetbudget…RT @KayCassidy: @RedBalloonBooks I keep hearing such great things about Knife! #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | saundramitchell: | @BonnieAdamson If the voice requires it, it’s not a big deal. But if you’d have to change the voice, why change age? #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @debbieohi @PattyJMurphy The guy that wants me to tell his story next just keeps talking and talking. Mouthy for 17YO boy! #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @thaliachaltas: Were they classic HARDY BOYS or new ones? #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | thaliachaltas: | Me too 12+. RT @lisa_schroeder: My novels say 14+, 12 YOs writing me. Some kids are more ready than others for tough subjects. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | saundramitchell: | I could have (probably should have) changed my protag from 14 to 13 without changing anything except a number in the book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @Scribblerati Not always true — Robin Hobb’s 1st Assassin book was adult, yet protag is a young boy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | Georgia_McBride: | Thanks @debbieohi @LiaKeyes @srjohannes #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | KayCassidy: | @EgmontUSA Can you imagine Jess’s story if she were 12-13? So glad we stuck to our guns. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | At times, a story knows what it wants to be (YA or MG) almost before the writer does. Yes? Or am I nuts? #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | srjohannes: | @KayCassidy goodness that is quite a stretch! #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | emilytastic: | @catesfolly Maybe. I never got a driver’s liscence! When I went off to college, though, I had to grow up a lot. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | SheviStories: | @sarahockler You know, I think they are. Sort of. Late MG, early YA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | bonnieadamson: | @SaundraMitchell Okay, that’s a good point. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | varianjohnson: | @sarahockler Delacorte Editor Stephanie Lane Elliott speaks about the diff b/w MG, YA, and adult: http://tinyurl.com/yf8gn5k #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | SarahBWinters: | @marjorielight g’night #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | gregpincus: | @thaliachaltas The HB books can be… overdone? Yeah. That’s a fair term #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | thaliachaltas: | @kcclyburn Now everyone’s fired up! That’s how we like it!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | srjohannes: | @saundramitchell would that one year difference have really mattered? #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | thaliachaltas: | Oh waaay classic. Like me. RT @PattyJMurphy: @thaliachaltas: Were they classic HARDY BOYS or new ones? #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | TrishDoller: | @debbieduncan Makes me happy! Keep ‘em coming. They don’t sell v.well, but I still like having them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | mgbuehrlen: | @CynthiaCWillis Yes. You’re not nuts. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @kellybarnhill: Sherman Alexie is a good excuse. He’s coming to Chicago TH nite to speak. I can’t wait. Heard him at SCBWI/LA. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | karianneholt: | @CynthiaCWillis The story knows, but sometimes the writer takes a while to figure it out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | SheviStories: | @EngridE1 Thanks! He’s also very smart and cynical, which makes him fun to write. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | EgmontUSA: | @srjohannes I haven’t encountered bookstores asking for a character age change. They’ve questioned age codes (midgrade vs. YA). #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | thaliachaltas: | Nicely said! RT @gregpincus: @thaliachaltas The HB books can be… overdone? Yeah. Thats a fair term #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | dlschubert: | This chat’s been on fire tonight! Is it a full moon? #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | catesfolly: | @emilytastic Agree. I just mean that 16 yo’s I think would like to read about that leaving home time as much as 19 yo’s. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | lisa_schroeder: | @srjohannes I know of 1 author who had the bookstore dictate her changing the age of the MC so it could be on the MG shelf. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | happybluejess: | Great point. RT @catesfolly I think a lot of kids have left home by 17 (emot’lly if not physically) #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | srjohannes: | @varianjohnson thanks for the link! #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | jeanie_w: | @RedBalloonBooks I don’t know, but I’m about to pass my copy of DUST OF 100 DOGS on to them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | debbieohi: | @varianjohnson Thanks for the link, Varian! #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @mgbuehrlen Thank you!!! : ) #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | sharifwrites: | @JoTreggiari Read a recent funny book that reminded me of Mole: Dyan Sheldon’s Planet Janet, but with female protag. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | saundramitchell: | @srjohannes To the story? No. But it would have made a marketing difference. Would have made a difference to many readers. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | kellybarnhill: | @CynthiaCWillis I think you’re absolutely right, actually. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | emilytastic: | @catesfolly Yeah it’s just a v. different perspective, I think. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | jessicaleeander: | @varianjohnson Thanks for sharing the link! #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | EKokie: | Ok, all, time for me to sign off. Thanks Greg and All! Night. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | srjohannes: | @lisa_schroeder she is exactly why i was asking – wondering if it was common #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | sharifwrites: | Had a great chat. Night all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @MyraMcEntire Then, YOU must tell his story. If he’s talking to you–you have to tell it. Can’t wait to read it! #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | RedBalloonBooks: | I find it hard to sell the tough subject books to parents of 10-12 year olds. Am I sensoring? Shouldn’t they know the content? #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | JoTreggiari: | My 1st bk had a 12 yr old mc & was marketed as a MG but may have done better as a YA given the length & plot.RT @emilytastic #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | KayCassidy: | @srjohannes I think one yr depends on the story. If it centers around a major event at a particular age, it can chg everything. #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | Scribblerati: | Hope some of you will explore Scribblerati, the social network for writers, at http://tinyurl.com/yfsdvdj #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | thaliachaltas: | I hate to leave you lovely people, but I need to get some writing in this evening. Mwah, dahlins! #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | SarahBWinters: | See you all next week #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | srjohannes: | @saundramitchell really how in marketing over one year? that’s interesting to me. Im a marketing geek. #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | sarahockler: | Tx! RT @varianjohnson: Delacorte Editor Stephanie Lane Elliott speaks re diff b/w MG, YA, and adult: http://tinyurl.com/yf8gn5k #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | EgmontUSA: | @lisa_schroeder But then it’s up to the author and Publisher to decide if they should make the change. #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | sandyalonzo: | My WIP, a YA novel, is written in two voices, one is a boy’s voice, and the other a girl. I’d call it a more of girl’s book. #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | LJBoldyrev: | Time for me to get back to WINTERGIRLS. Thanks again for another great chat! Goodnight! #kidlitchat |
| 9:01 pm | MyraMcEntire: | RT @meow_mix85: When you are that age there is a big difference. 15 YO are freshman, 17 YO are seniors. #kidlitchat <–From one who knows! |
| 9:02 pm | srjohannes: | @KayCassidy especially in that 13/14/15 range #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @happybluejess true I think most YA readers are younger than 17 #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @thaliachaltas: And you didn’t like them. Surprising. Maybe, you’re just used to what’s out there now? #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | srjohannes: | @EgmontUSA #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | jeanie_w: | @RedBalloonBooks Great to have a bookseller in #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | DDHearn: | This was fun and informative. I’m leaving with a lot to think about. Thanks to everyone, especially Greg and Bonnie. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | mgbuehrlen: | I think the bottom line is that age groups are for marketing purposes. Readers will read, regardless. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | 30daysof: | Anyone here know the term the kids use when a phone gets stolen and tweet on the users behalf? #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | srjohannes: | for what is more marketable and sellable right? #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | It’s a wrap for me, too. A good night to all! Thanks for the great chat! #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | happybluejess: | Thanks everyone! Good night! #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | Family is clamoring for dinner! Why won’t they just…forage? Thanks for the chat. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | dlschubert: | @bonnieadamson @gregpincus Thanks for another rousing evening of #kidlitchat !!! |
| 9:02 pm | AnnaZiska: | Great information again tonight. Thank you all. Have a great night. #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | debbieduncan: | @TrishDoller @Idaho_Laurie Those new books deserve to find a wide teen guy audience – books with humor AND heart! #kidlitchat |
| 9:02 pm | SarahBWinters: | @marjorielight  thank you very much… I’ll let him know what you said. U just gotta let kids to love books! #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | Becky_Levine: | Night all. Nice chat. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @PattyJMurphy I just keep telling him to wait his turn. He’s part two of three (hopefully). Have to finish/sell book one first. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | emilytastic: | I think sometimes the difference b/w YA & adult is the way sex is handled. Adult sex is v. different from teen consensual sex. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | Scribblerati: | And an Indie, at that! Very cool! RT @jeanie_w: @RedBalloonBooks Great to have a bookseller in #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | KayCassidy: | @srjohannes Or biggies like 16 & 18. #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | JohansenNewman: | Enjoyed “listening in”-inspired to finish my own YA! #kidlitchat |
| 9:03 pm | 30daysof: | BINGO! RT @mgbuehrlen: I think the bottom line is that age groups are for marketing purposes. Readers will read, regardless. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | bonnieadamson: | Golly–this one really did zip past. Thanks to all. I missed so much–will look forward to transcript! #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | gavinobrown: | What she said. RT @dlschubert: @bonnieadamson @gregpincus Thanks for another rousing evening of #kidlitchat !!! #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | debbieohi: | Gnite all, must go. Thanks for the great chat, & thx for organizing the chat, @gregpincus & @bonnieadamson! #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | TrishDoller: | @debbieduncan @Idaho_Laurie I agree! Some of the best books I’ve read have been “boy” books. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | kcclyburn: | @emilytastic Romance in YA tends to be handled in a somewhat more innocent way than in adult books. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | catesfolly: | Thanks Greg and Bonnie! night all. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | jessicaleeander: | RT @mgbuehrlen: I think the bottom line is that age groups are for marketing purposes. Readers will read, regardless. #kidlitchat |
| 9:04 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @MyraMcEntire: You will. Just keep a notebook handy for him. I have to do that, too. With stories demanding: Write me right now! #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | JoTreggiari: | can’t find who said it, but tween is an awful term and needs to be exterminated. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | RedBalloonBooks: | I think there is a big difference between 12 and 14. 13 just gets stuck and can go either way. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | MyraMcEntire: | Thanks Greg and Bonnie! You two are wonderful! Back to revisions … #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | sandyalonzo: | @JohansenNewman Go for it, Barb. Finish that YA! #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | emilytastic: | @kcclyburn Yes. Awkward, new, nervous. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | sarahjanestudio: | @BonnieAdamson thanks for the #kidlitchat! Great to follow… |
| 9:05 pm | EgmontUSA: | @KayCassidy I can’t even imagine Jess that young. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | jessicaleeander: | Have a great evening! Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | saundramitchell: | @srjohannes Both are marketable; sell YA more directly to the reader whereas MG is more to the proxy (teacher/librarian/parent.) #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | varianjohnson: | Ditto RT @emilytastic: Sometimes the diff b/w YA & adult is how sex is handled. Adult sex v. different from teen consensual sex. #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @bonnieadamson this was fun thanks for your help #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | karianneholt: | Bummed I had to jump in late. Looking forward to reading the transcript of tonight’s chat! #peskykidsgoingtobedlate #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | Scribblerati: | WINGS TO YOUR PEN! RT @JohansenNewman: Enjoyed “listening in”-inspired to finish my own YA! #kidlitchat |
| 9:05 pm | sarahockler: | Yep. RT @emilytastic: sometimes diff b/w YA & adult is the way sex is handled. Adult sex is v. diff from teen consensual sex. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | 30daysof: | Agree 100% RT @emilytastic: the diff b/w YA & adult is the way sex is handled. Adult sex is v. diff from teen consensual sex. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | susan_marie: | @jeanie_w @Scribblerati And an independent bookseller in St. Paul, Minnesota at that! Hooray for @RedBalloonBooks. #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | JohansenNewman: | @sandyalonzo Thanks, Sandy! Can’t wait for “Riding Invisible ” to come out! #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @PattyJMurphy I had 7000 words of his story. Before my Mac crashed. 0_o We might be related! I have a notebook for everything! #kidlitchat |
| 9:06 pm | kellybarnhill: | @RedBalloonBooks #kidlitchat Red Balloon! My favorite bookstore! *grin, grin, grin* |
| 9:06 pm | bonnieadamson: | @RosemaryMarotta You’re welcome–see you next week! #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | mgbuehrlen: | Off to find sleep. Later, chatters! #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | emilytastic: | Tween books are so important. I don’t think I’d be a “normal” (ish) grown-up w/o Margaret. #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | RosemaryMarotta: | @saundramitchell this is so true #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | JohansenNewman: | @Scribblerati From your keyboard to God’s ears! #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | SheviStories: | G’night and thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 9:07 pm | srjohannes: | @MyraMcEntire wait – did you just say your MAC crashed?? *gasp* #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | kellybarnhill: | RT @emilytastic Tween books are so important. I don’t think I’d be a “normal” (ish) grown-up w/o Margaret. #kidlitchat YES!!! |
| 9:08 pm | bonnieadamson: | New chatters: the little girl following you tomorrow will be me, back to my non-chat persona–thanks for stopping by! #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | dlschubert: | @sarahockler And, thank goodness it’s different!! Re: Adult vs teen sex #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | lisa_schroeder: | @EgmontUSA Author didn’t really want to. But the pub said, we need to do this if they’re going to carry the book. So, it changed #kidlitchat |
| 9:08 pm | srjohannes: | @KayCassidy but 18 goes into adult genre, right? #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | literaticat: | Hey guys — I am opening the speakeasy for a #kidlitchat afterparty. http://www.chatzy.com/154761931299 #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | MyraMcEntire: | @srjohannes You don’t want to know this. I’d had it for less than 24 hours. And I’d already wiped my PC … without backing up! #kidlitchat |
| 9:09 pm | KayCassidy: | @dlschubert That’s exactly what I was thinking! #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | KayCassidy: | @srjohannes Depends on the content. If it’s a “clean” story with an 18yo protag, it wouldn’t necessarily fly in adult. #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | jeanie_w: | Night all! @BonnieAdamson and @gregpincus, thanks for another fun evening at #kidlitchat. |
| 9:10 pm | srjohannes: | @MyraMcEntire what?? a mac? really? that sux – oops i mean stinks #kidlitchat |
| 9:10 pm | peg366: | Night all. I lurked tonight. kids were active. couldn’t sit down/ respond to tweets. #kidlitchat. Just got them settled. Now it’s done. |
| 9:10 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @MyraMcEntire: Notebooks, idea files, word boxes, word wall, quotation wall–you name it. Sorry about your Mac. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | emilytastic: | @srjohannes I’ve read a lot of YA books with 18yo protags. My WIP has an 18yo heroine. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | dlschubert: | You party girl, you!RT @literaticat Hey guys I’m opening speakeasy for #kidlitchat afterparty.http://www.chatzy.com/154761931299 #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | emilytastic: | @srjohannes I also recently read Undiscovered Gyrl, which is about a 17yo. It’s filthy and awesome and for ADULTS. #kidlitchat |
| 9:11 pm | EgmontUSA: | @lisa_schroeder That’s an issue of sales. I reaIly doubt the Publisher would’ve insisted unless it made a big difference. #kidlitchat |
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