Kidlitchat Transcript – October 13 (part 1)
| 7:57 pm | kidlitchat: | TOPIC: How important is symbolism to you as a writer/illustrator/reader? What archetypes prevail today? #kidlitchat |
| 7:58 pm | jeanie_w: | RT @kidlitchat: TOPIC: How important is symbolism to you as a writer/illustrator/reader? What archetypes prevail today? #kidlitchat |
| 7:58 pm | _rachelsimon: | RT @kidlitchat: TOPIC: How important is symbolism to you as a writer/illustrator/reader? What archetypes prevail today? #kidlitchat |
| 7:58 pm | maggiedana: | @bonnieadamson Hi Bonnie … good to be back in #kidlitchat. #kidlitchat |
| 7:58 pm | _rachelsimon: | @skodobah Welcome! #kidlitchat |
| 7:59 pm | bonnieadamson: | Hi, all–Welcome! The tweetie has the topic–going back to craft tonight. #kidlitchat |
| 7:59 pm | myrrr: | RT @kidlitchat Topic: How important is symbolism to you as a writer/illustrator/reader? What archetypes prevail today? #kidlitchat |
| 7:59 pm | elanaroth: | That is a really heavy topic… #kidlitchat |
| 7:59 pm | jeanie_w: | @skodobah Welcome, Julie! #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | WriterRoss: | @kidlitchat Archetypes do not equal stereotypes… or do they? #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | EgmontGal: | Symbolism? Is that the official topic, I ask timidly? #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | bonnieadamson: | @maggiedana Hi, Maggie–good to see everyone here! #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | malindalo: | This is crazy, I just blogged about symbolism in my writing an hour ago! http://bit.ly/NWcSN#kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | _rachelsimon: | Agreed! RT @elanaroth: That is a really heavy topic… #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | amithaknight: | i often find the unintended symbolism is more interesting (to me) than the symbolism I intend in my writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | EgmontGal: | oh phew, craft. A topic I understand, at least a bit. #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth Blame @AudryT–is she here tonight? #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | _rachelsimon: | @EgmontGal It is the topic.  Sorry about the confusion last time, Elizabeth. That was my fault! #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Yes, ma’am. Meaty, no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | OfficiallyMRS: | As long as the story is good. Sometimes it can make a story look fake when not weaved into the plot correctly. #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | PattyJMurphy: | Is it craft or symbolism or both? #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | jeanie_w: | For me symbolism emerges as I write. I don’t usually plan it ahead of time. #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | myrrr: | RT @malindalo: This is crazy, I just blogged about symbolism in my writing an hour ago!http://bit.ly/NWcSN #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | lkblackburne: | @amithaknight Examples of unintended symbolism? #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | tehawesomersace: | Good question–>RT @WriterRoss: @kidlitchat Archetypes do not equal stereotypes… or do they? #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | amithaknight: | RT @malindalo: This is crazy, I just blogged about symbolism in my writing an hour ago!http://bit.ly/NWcSN — great post! #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | catesfolly: | Symbols in my writing bubble up and recur unconsciously. Only clear and refinable in retrospect. #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | bonnieadamson: | I will admit, I am totally unaware of symbolism in own writing until afterwards–spooky! #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | elanaroth: | I like symbolism to be something I realize later. Not something that smacks me in the face as I read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | littlefluffycat: | #kidlitchat Symbolism is that thing that makes written work, for whatever age, timeless – the other layers of meaning are huge. |
| 8:03 pm | malindalo: | @amithaknight Thanks! What funny kismet that tonight’s topic is symbolism #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | kaerfel: | @elanaroth I agree. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | laurielyoung: | Hi all! I missed last week, so I am glad to make it tonight! #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | RebeccAgent: | @egmontusa I will do my darnedest to do that by myself next week #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | tehawesomersace: | I think it has to be subtle or else it seems sort of cheesy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | catesfolly: | Symbols a way to suggest theme between the lines, yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | littlefluffycat: | #kidlitchat Think about the picture in I’LL LOVE YOU FOREVER where he’s holding his mother. Wow. |
| 8:03 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | I love to use symbolism in my own writing – half the time it’s stuff I figure out as I go along #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | sharifwrites: | @bonnieadamson I’m the same way. I notice symbolism after I finish something. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | EgmontUSA: | @elanaroth I absolutely agree! I like subtlety. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | maggiedana: | Well said. RT @elanaroth: I like symbolism to be something I realize later. Not something that smacks me in the face as I read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | _rachelsimon: | @laurielyoung Welcome. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | myrrr: | RT @littlefluffycat: Symbolism is what makes written work, for whatever age, timeless – the other layers of meaning are huge. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | EgmontUSA: | @RebeccAgent It’s a pleasure helping youm, Rebecca. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | tehawesomersace: | What she said –>RT @elanaroth: I like symbolism to be something I realize later. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | skodobah: | @_rachelsimon Thank you!#kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | WriterRoss: | @malindalo Pleae share your thoughts as they are clearly fresh out of the oven. ;> #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | bonnieadamson: | What are recurring symbols in current fiction? #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | lkblackburne: | Here’s a question — what’s the role of symbolism in kid lit, given that kids are less likely to notice it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | amithaknight: | @lkblackburne like the fact that my character is adrift in an ocean and is alienated from everyone, and her father’s injury #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | sharifwrites: | @tehawesomersace Cheesy symbolism is off-putting. I’ve quit a book or an author b/c of it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | maggiedana: | Makes me cry, thinking it. RT @littlefluffycat:Think about the picture in ILL LOVE YOU FOREVER where hes holding his mother. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | RebeccAgent: | though I don’t know that I will have much to say on this topic #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | dlschubert: | Agree: RT @elanaroth I like symbolism to be something I realize later. Not something that smacks me in the face as I read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | @lkblackburne I don’t think it’s that kids notice it or not, but I think it just creates a deeper meaning that seeps in #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | tehawesomersace: | Fire seems to be coming up a lot in current fiction, both in Catching Fire and Fire. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | jemifraser: | I tell my students books are like onions – if they only get the top layer, they’re missing out on a whole lot #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | swdillard: | @maggiedana that just makes me squirm. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | LoulieArt: | @lkblackburne I think kids have their own mental encyclopedias full of symbols. Just gotta get into their heads. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | _rachelsimon: | RT @lkblackburne: Heres a question — whats the role of symbolism in kid lit, given that kids are less likely to notice it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | WriterRoss: | @littlefluffycat Do I have to think about that picture?! That is unintended (intended?) stomach woe (Not a fan of LOVE U 4EVER) #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | lauramanivong: | Symbolism is part of our subconscious perhaps. It shows up in our writing from experiences embedded in our brain. Yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | tehawesomersace: | @sharifwrites Yes. If you can’t do it well, just say what you mean! #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | littlefluffycat: | @maggiedana Exactly. That symbolism resonates. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | catesfolly: | Am reading Witching Well: water obviously big. The whole story feels wet. But how is it used is good question. Mood? Message? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | myrrr: | @threebeans Go to http://bit.ly/jxgKO and type in the hashtag #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | @lkblackburne also I sometimes wonder if kids are more likely to notice since they study it so much in school #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | amithaknight: | @lkblackburne some kids are much more sophisticated readers than others (esp ya) and we often reread our favorites as adults #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | literaticat: | @RebeccAgent I have nothing to say on the topic. I’m hoping I will either learn something, or they’ll intro another topic soon! #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | hatbooks: | #kidlitchat 10 am Tokyo time is on now. Topic is symbolism in kidlit. |
| 8:07 pm | laurielyoung: | @_rachelsimon Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | malindalo: | With Ash most of the symbolism was unconscious. With next book, both unconscious & on purpose. Purpose is HARD! #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | RebeccAgent: | @writerross not a fan of I Love You Forever either. AT. ALL. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | amithaknight: | @lauramanivong I’ve certainly found that to be the case (re: subconscious symbolism) #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | ebyss: | #kidlitchat It is true symbolism is part of us. It is the way we make connections between things in our memory. |
| 8:07 pm | _rachelsimon: | I think a lot of fairy tales have symbolism/messages that are ingrained in subconscious i.e. Snow White symbolizing innocence… #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | catesfolly: | Yes, fire, good one. Knives and cutting too maybe (but that may just be my obsession) #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | ktubb: | @jemifraser If they only get the top layer of the onion, all they get is paper! Great analogy. (Symbolism?) #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | dlschubert: | Symbolism isn’t something I think most writers deliberately incorporate. But, it’s fascinating to see after the fact. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | gregpincus: | Greetings from Seattle! Sorry to be missing #kidlitchat and I can’t wait to read the transcript! |
| 8:08 pm | LoulieArt: | I think symbolism is fascnating. I always wondered about Cliff Notes… Did the interpreters get the symbolism right, or not. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | bonnieadamson: | I was an English major and resented the relentless study of “hidden meaning”, lol. Thought it ruined favorite reads. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | littlefluffycat: | @WriterRoss LOL! you know, I’m not its biggest fan either, so rhyme-y – but he knew where the buttons were, didn’t he?  #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | WriterRoss: | Not sure if readers notice it but as a writer, I see the Neon Lights of What Author Wants me to Get and I feel used. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | jeanie_w: | RT @lauramanivong: Symbolism is part of subconscious. It shows up in our writing from experiences embedded in our brain. Yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | elanaroth: | I’m on team @RebeccAgent & @literaticat on this. Not much to say about symbolism. I don’t read for it or judge based on it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | laurielyoung: | I love when a book works on different levels, in a subtle way–each time you read it you get more. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | tehawesomersace: | Are they? I think more likely. RT @lkblackburne: Whats the role of symbolism in kid lit…kids are less likely to notice it #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | amithaknight: | is it even possible to write w/o using symbolism in some way? #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | auntieflamingo: | I’m a little late but I made it. I was reading to my son so I figure that is a good excuse. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | sharifwrites: | @lauramanivong I would say yes. I’ve noticed that in myself and others. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | skodobah: | Subdued symbolism. Anything too obvious is yuck-o.#kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | jemifraser: | @ktubb Thanks – it seems to work with the kids and they like looking for the layers #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | bonnieadamson: | @gregpincus Hi, Greg! #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | catesfolly: | Same. That book provokes opposing reactions. RT @RebeccAgent: @writerross not a fan of I Love You Forever either. AT. ALL. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | WriterRoss: | @RebeccAgent When I first the Munsch book, I thought it was a potty training manual. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | laurielyoung: | . . . symbolism helps the reader get more of the story whether they realize it or not #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | PattyJMurphy: | RT @dlschubert:Symbolism isnt something I think most writers deliberately incorporate….<At least not in the 1st few drafts:)> #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | EgmontGal: | I will (boldy) say that @literaticat @elanaroth @rebeccagent and I are all struggling with this topic. Too esoteric for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | lauramanivong: | I have a broken bird egg as symbolism in my YA, and no @literaticat, it’s not for gross effect. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | RebeccAgent: | @literaticat I think my take away is going to be starting my nxt bookclub w/ “what did you think of the symbolism, huh?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | sharifwrites: | @tehawesomersace Yes, some authors can’t pull it off. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | dlschubert: | How about this topic: What are lessons we try to teach while writing and how do we do it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | _rachelsimon: | @auntieflamingo Welcome. Better late than never! #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @auntieflamingo The best excuse there is:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | skodobah: | Archetypes – now that’s something.#kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | RuthanneReid: | RT @dlschubert: RT @elanaroth I like symbolism to be something I realize later. Not something that smacks me in the face #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | lkblackburne: | @dlschubert Toni Morrison purposly used alot of symbolism in Beloved. But it felt too forced to me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | varianjohnson: | As a writer and reader, I love symbolism. A lot of times, I think including it is an unconscious act, at least during 1st draft. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | peg366: | RT @ebyss: #kidlitchat It is true symbolism is part of us. It is the way we make connections between things in our memory. |
| 8:10 pm | malindalo: | @EgmontGal I think it’s difficult for twitter. Better topic for essays, maybe. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | maggiedana: | <— also struggling with topic. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | _rachelsimon: | LOL!! RT @RebeccAgent:I think my take away is going to be starting my nxt bookclub w/”what did you think of the symbolism, huh?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | lkblackburne: | RT @RebeccAgent I think my take away is going to be starting my nxt bookclub w/ “what did you think of the symbolism, huh?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | OrganicGranny: | @bonnieadamson A bigger question is why is symbolism so important? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | WriterRoss: | @EgmontGal We can’t make this Writers vs Publishing Professionals night. <g> #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | lauramanivong: | So shall we talk about voice? Can I get a collective NO, please? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | Hi all! I’m here but a bit fried from a B&N presentation tonight. But here. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | malindalo: | I see lots of “subdued symbolism only” but actually, fantasy is a LOT about symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | skodobah: | @dlschubert This is good.#kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | LoulieArt: | Favorite symbols?? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | jeanie_w: | @Joyce_Lansky I start to notice symbolism in my own writing when I begin revisions. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | EgmontGal: | @malindalo exactly! Gang, other topics so we could at least have two subjects? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal–you don’t think that’s part of author’s voice? Manipulation of layers of meaning? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | EgmontGal: | @WriterRoss good point. i will fade away #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | RebeccAgent: | @egmontgal thanks. If the topic can elicit writer to writer help, great. This is why I don’t teach craft #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | amithaknight: | LOL! RT @RebeccAgent: my take away is going to be starting my nxt bookclub w/ “what did you think of the symbolism, huh?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | EgmontGal: | @CynthiaCWillis the mighty God, B+N! All bow down to his mighty will. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @EgmontGal I have to agree…it’s a bit abstract for me, too. I am going to sit quietly and listen:) #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | RebeccAgent: | but can symbolism by taught? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | dlschubert: | @lkblackburne Makes sense. I think purposely using symbolism gets in the way of the actual writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | _rachelsimon: | @CynthiaCWillis Welcome! #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | I agree with @malindalo – I think there’s a ton of symbolism in fantasy #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | myrrr: | I role my eyes at neon signs RT @WriterRoss: As a writer, I see the Neon Lights of What Author Wants me to Get and I feel used. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | auntieflamingo: | @_rachelsimon True and @PattyJMurphy I can’t miss reading to him. We both love it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | WriterRoss: | @EgmontGal Noooo. Do not fade. Come back. Come back (insert Dorothy Gale’s voice here) #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | johnlechner: | Symbolism is like salt, a little bit goes a long way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | JesseMarieKlaus: | I think that the novel, “Speak” is what really got me into appreciating symbolism in lit as a organic and not forced #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | tehawesomersace: | Think symbolism in books tends towards the usual: fire, water, death. Trying to think of symbolism in books I missed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | lkblackburne: | My head hurts from thinking about symbolism. Can we talk about explosions and car chases instead? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | LiaKeyes: | I’m a bit late – can I get an update on tonight’s topic? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @EgmontGal I think I did too much bowing. But yes, all hail. : ) #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | ktubb: | When the educator’s guide for my mg came out, there were lots of ?s about symbolism. I thought: who knew that was in there?! #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | EgmontGal: | @RebeccAgent I like to teach craft but wouldn’t teach symbolism, I think that could seem very, very forced.Writers do you agree? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | threebeans: | RT @myrrr: I role my eyes RT @WriterRoss: As a writer, I see the Neon Lights of What Author Wants me to Get and I feel used. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | OrganicGranny: | @dlschubert For me symbolism emerges from writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | malindalo: | @CarrieRyanchat And metaphor! Fantasy = symbolism and metaphor (are they different? I was not an English major!!) #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | sharifwrites: | Reading my fave books years later I’m floored by the symbolism I didn’t catch as a kid but I knew I was reading something great #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | _rachelsimon: | @LiaKeyes: topic is about symbolism #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | maggiedana: | RT @johnlechner: Symbolism is like salt, a little bit goes a long way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | threebeans: | Re: neon signs: I felt that way about the Kite Runner. Didn’t think he trusted his reader. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | skodobah: | @lkblackburne LOL!#kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | editorgurl: | hi all. funny, i never read or edit with symbolism in mind, and i can’t say i’ve ever even used the word in an edit letter! #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | LoulieArt: | @johnlechner Little Dab’ll Do Ya #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | laurielyoung: | RT @johnlechner: Symbolism is like salt, a little bit goes a long way. #kidlitchat Ha! good analogy! |
| 8:14 pm | bonnieadamson: | @CarrieRyanchat This is a language you have to digest to be a fantasy writer, yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | dlschubert: | RTing myself: @dlschubert How about this topic: What are lessons we try to teach while writing and how do we do it? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | myrrr: | roll my eyes (not role my eyes) embarrassing typo. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | EgmontGal: | @JesseMarieKlaus Whaaat? I have read Speak a bunch of times + talk about it always. Have a lit degree from UChicago. Symbolism? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @johnlechner A little bit goes a long way is sooo true! #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | literaticat: | hey peeps, if you don’t know anything about symbolism, come to the kids book speakeasy:http://bit.ly/Hlq4q *creeps away* #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | kellybarnhill: | Hey everybody! Just got the kids down #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | jeanie_w: | @EgmontGal Do you look for layers in the books you acquire? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | @malindalo I totally agree – I think we create worlds to really highlight aspects of our own world and distort them #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | dlschubert: | @OrganicGranny Exactly!! Symbolism emerges from writing, not the other way around. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | OrganicGranny: | @LiaKeyes Hi Lia–thanks for posting this on Facebook. I’ve never TweetChatted before! #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | maggiedana: | @editorgurl I bet you use it tomorrow, without meaning to. Now THAT would be symbolism at work, yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | JennBailey: | Being taught symbolism in High School ruined some of the best books ever for me. Still can’t read Grapes of Wrath #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | lioncaller: | @rebeccagent Huh. Have left book groups bec of an inability to discuss symbolism/deeper themes. Found them shallow. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | WriterRoss: | @ktubb Or when we read back our work and ponder if we really wrote that. How did THAT get in there? Bring on the Monarch notes! #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | elanaroth: | I think the industry pros in the room are a bit back-burnered until the topic switches…if there are questions, I’ll chirp in. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | _rachelsimon: | @EgmontGal Trees represent growth and change in Native American culture. Trees are Melinda draws A LOT in “Speak.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | myrrr: | Good symbolism usually hits me after I’ve put the book down. I have many aha moments in the shower. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | @bonnieadamson that’s a good question – I have no idea unfortunately #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | EgmontGal: | @ktubb that is best comment on symbolism I’ve heard all night, and again, I was a lit major at prestigious English dept. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | crissachappell: | @editorgurl so true. my editor noticed things I never realized were there… #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | varianjohnson: | SPEAK is full of symbolism. The tree metaphor. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | EgmontGal: | @lioncaller deeper themes and symbolism not the same thing, in my book. love to talk about themes and ideas in books #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | ktubb: | @dlschubert “Lessons” has a bit of a negative connotation to me. Maybe “seeds we’re trying to plant?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | debbieohi: | I had the same experience–>RT @JennBailey: Being taught symbolism in High School ruined some of the best books ever for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | maggiedana: | @elanaroth If you’re serving wine on the back burner, may I join you? #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | RebeccAgent: | @lioncaller no I am part of two great book clubs and have been for years #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | bonnieadamson: | @Joyce_Lansky Yes, enhances some work , ruins others–can’t force it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | LiaKeyes: | Did you notice symbolism in Harry Potter? It was there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | skodobah: | If one thinks too much about incorporating symbolism into their work, they can be diverted from what drives the story.#kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | kellybarnhill: | RT @EgmontGal: I like to teach craft but wouldn’t teach symbolism, **I think you’re spot on here. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | EgmontGal: | @_rachelsimon Rachel, I respect you. But Native American, so what? Has nothing to do with that character. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Okay–that’s a fair interpretation–what about deeper themes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | RebeccAgent: | @lioncaller but I don’t think I’ve talked symbolism directly since college #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | _rachelsimon: | *creeping out to work on WIP* See you all next week!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | ktubb: | @WriterRoss Yes! I love that “who wrote that?” feeling! #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | malindalo: | What she said! –> RT @CarrieRyanchat: I think we create worlds to really highlight aspects of our own world and distort them #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | EgmontGal: | Will you guys get off it about the tree? Yeah, I got it that she was reaching, needed to express, thought it obvious in Speak #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | maggiedana: | Nope. The story got in the way. RT @LiaKeyes: Did you notice symbolism in Harry Potter? It was there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | lynnekelly: | @EgmontGal Yes, I found when I write that objects in the story can be symbolic of something, but I don’t realize it until later. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | WriterRoss: | @varianjohnson SPEAK’S tree was the first image that came to mind when topic of symbolism announced. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | sharifwrites: | @varianjohnson I love that book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | sandyalonzo: | When symbolism shows up in my writing, it’s on an organic level, usually not intentional. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | skodobah: | @maggiedana Wine is symbolic!#kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | EgmontGal: | I guess my point is, once we label it “symbolism” it feels to heavy for the novel to me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | leewind: | The line btw. portent and pretense is tricky! otherwise it’s like a student film, where every shadow is a crucifix. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | sharifwrites: | @RebeccAgent Same here, reminds me of my English Lit days. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | LiaKeyes: | Symbolism is just a way to enhance what you’re trying to say – like the soundtracks that accompany movies. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | lkblackburne: | Are there any other children’s books besides the Narnia chronicles that were purposefully metaphorical? #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | _rachelsimon: | @EgmontGal You make an excellent point I’ve just been on a tree kick lately. NA culture, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, Speak, etc… #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | RebeccAgent: | I am capable of talking symbolism now that I think about it, but it’s just not the way I think about books or talk them now #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | SuePinto: | Reading to me is like trying to have a conversation in a loud bar…I don’t want to work that hard. Just want to enjoy not study #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | lights_aurora: | @sharifwrites I remember reading The Giver in high school, how story kept following me after I’d finished it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | lioncaller: | @RebeccAgent @egmontgal What is the resistance? Is it just the word? #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | LiaKeyes: | Shakespeare, a popular writer in his day, was rich in symbolism and is still being read today. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | varianjohnson: | Some people love the tree metaphor in SPEAK. Others think it’s overkill. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | ebyss: | @skodobah #kidlitchat I agree, if symbolism happens it should happen naturally. |
| 8:18 pm | JennBailey: | RT @leewind: The line btw. portent and pretense is tricky! otherwise its like a student film, where every shadow is a crucifix. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | malindalo: | @lkblackburne I think a LOT Of fantasy novels are purposely metaphorical. Ingrid Law talked about this at SCBWI re Savvy #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | crissachappell: | RT @LiaKeyes: Symbolism is just a way to enhance what youre trying to say – like the soundtracks that accompany movies. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | LiaKeyes: | I think the fear of employing the power of symbolism in our writing is a form of intellectual cowardice. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | SaraLewisHolmes: | I think of symbols as a way to visually organize a story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | kellybarnhill: | The best symbolism is the stuff the we are unaware of using – the stuff that springs something outside of ourselves. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | JennBailey: | @lioncaller It is the jamming of it down one’s throat, I think. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | EgmontGal: | @lioncaller yes, i guess it’s the word. I associate it with learning to read deeply in high school. feel it’s heavy handed #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | jemifraser: | @lights_aurora The Giver is a great book – I read it often in class – lots of good stuff in there #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | littlefluffycat: | @editorgurl but don’t you think that might be becauseit’s not so obtrusive that it *wants* editing? more aha, like @myrrr said? #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | RebeccAgent: | @lioncaller I just don’t know how I can be helpful in talking about symbolism #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | malindalo: | Woot! RT @LiaKeyes: I think the fear of employing the power of symbolism in our writing is a form of intellectual cowardice. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | lights_aurora: | @sharifwrites I reread it a yr later & all the symbolism hit me, realized why it’d followed me. Taught me w/o me knowing it did #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | amithaknight: | I recently read a fantasy novel where one male character was constantly showing off his sword. couldn’t help laughing every time #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | WriterRoss: | RT @leewind: The line btw. portent and pretense is tricky! otherwise its like a student film, where every shadow is a crucifix. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | skodobah: | @ebyss Amen! It’s like SEO writing – trying to get those keywords in there can disrupt creative flow. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | sandyalonzo: | @lioncaller For me, the resistence involves enjoyment vs. getting too analytical. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | elanaroth: | So is symbolism necessary, or is it just a nice extra layer? I do not read books to find symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | RT @SaraLewisHolmes: I think of symbols as a way to visually organize a story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | bonnieadamson: | @SaraLewisHolmes As in a theme? I realized current WIP is full of water images, for instance. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | TomYHowe: | A letter is a symbol, so a word is a symbol of symbols, and a sentence is a symbol of a bunch of symbols. Yay symbols! #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | EgmontGal: | @SaraLewisHolmes that’s an interesting way of thinking about symbols. can you say more? #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | ebyss: | #kidlitchat and maybe that is what makes a great book is when the author doesn’t mean for it to happen. It just does. |
| 8:20 pm | sharifwrites: | @lights_aurora Sometimes I read a book over and over, and find more layers of symbolism every time I read it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | lioncaller: | So, like, the name Raskolnikov is too heavy-handed? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | SuePinto: | As a writer, I don’t make a point to put in symbolism. Should I? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | catesfolly: | I like that. RT @SaraLewisHolmes: I think of symbols as a way to visually organize a story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | malindalo: | @amithaknight Yes — now try reading about Harry Potter’s wand while considering symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | crissachappell: | I love reading a book over and over…and noticing new layers of meaning (makes me a more active reader, a player in a game) #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | sandyalonzo: | @elanaroth I’d say symbolism is a nice extra layer. Good point! #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | JennBailey: | @elanaroth I don’t read for that either. If I find it, it adds something for me. i don’t like having it shoved in my face #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | jeanie_w: | @elanaroth Do you read for layers? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | skodobah: | I don’t know. I’m not a big fan of fitting in things just because. Reminds me of my high school English teacher… #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | TomYHowe: | Heavyhanded symbolism can be way too much like A Pilgrim’s Progress, though, at least to me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | bonnieadamson: | @littlefluffycat I suspect symbolism is the intangible we respond to in books that resonate, don’t you? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | SEOnewsBot: | RT @skodobah @ebyss Amen! It's like SEO writing – trying to get those keywords in there can disrupt creative flow. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | leewind: | Maybe a new def. for “symbolism”, like “a theme expressed as metaphor?” b/c it is just a HIDDEN theme, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | littlefluffycat: | @WriterRoss one hates to lolcat, but if there’s Neon Signs “yur doin it rong” #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | dlschubert: | @malindalo @LiaKeyes I don’t think people fear it, but rather do it on a subconscious level. Big difference. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | lights_aurora: | @jemifraser Its my favorite book of all time. I already have 9 copies of it in various state of wear. Want to be buried w/ it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | auntieflamingo: | If you miss the symbolism the story should still make sense and be enjoyable. I don’t think symbolism is required. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | tehawesomersace: | I think trying to find symbolism in a book ruins the reading experience for me. Feels like an assignment then. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | ktubb: | @elanaroth Just thinking about this, too. Like in SISTERHOOD OF TRAVELING PANTS – the symbol is the story. Exception, tho? #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | ebyss: | @elanaroth #kidlitchat I think it is just an extra nice layer. |
| 8:22 pm | elanaroth: | @jeanie_w Layers in plot, character, emotional development, sure. Not “how many things can this apple stand for?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | lights_aurora: | @jemifraser course, I’m nowhere near dying lol. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @jeanie_w I like to read for layers and I like to write for layers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | lioncaller: | @sandyalonzo Ah. I LOVE being analytical. Loved it in high school, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | skodobah: | @SEOnewsBot Okay, see? I’m being eaten alive by SEO robots! What is the symbolism in this?#kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | hatbooks: | RT @leewind: Maybe a new def. for “symbolism”, like “a theme expressed as metaphor?” b/c it is just a HIDDEN theme, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | SaraLewisHolmes: | I’m working on one now that has a lot of spirals. The story spirals in, then out. So I’m using things that coil, or wind, or.. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | Shelltex: | Joining late. Catching up. Like symbolism but not disappointed without it. Never intentionally write with symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | jemifraser: | @lights_aurora That’s Great!!! My students always love it too #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | DDHearn: | @lioncaller What does Raskolnikov mean? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | myrrr: | symbolism works when it comes about organically. when forced, it’s like watching something *try* to be sexy. cringe inducing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | skodobah: | The robots are everywhere – even the symbolism robots.#kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | malindalo: | @dlschubert Don’t you think writers can do it on purpose? FIRE is pretty much entirely symbolic. Monster = woman. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | lights_aurora: | @sharifwrites Exactly. Thats what I love about The Giver, and many of the books I look for from my childhood. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | crissachappell: | @jeanie_w Yes, I love looking for clues. I don’t want to sit back and passively read a book. I want to be part of the action. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | LiaKeyes: | Symbolism, subtly used, makes a good read into a deeply satisfying read; a clue to the deeper mystery of the author’s intention #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | Donna_Carrick: | @TomYHowe Heavyhanded symbolism . #kidlitchat / Most literary tools are best used sparingly, for greater impact. |
| 8:23 pm | jemifraser: | @lights_aurora The “That’s Great” wasn’t about the dying part…ooops!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | amithaknight: | LOL! RT @malindalo: Yes — now try reading about Harry Potters wand while considering symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | ebyss: | #kidlitchat very nice discussion, but I am calling it an early night. |
| 8:24 pm | lioncaller: | RT @leewind: Maybe a new def. for “symbolism”, like “a theme expressed as metaphor?” b/c it is just a HIDDEN theme, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @leewind: Maybe a new def. for “symbolism”;like “;a theme expressed as metaphor” b/c it is just a HIDDEN theme, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | EgmontGal: | you guys are getting me to rethink my feelings about symbolism. Some really good writers here + if you take it seriously,me too #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | LoulieArt: | My hubby just watched The Red Balloon w/ kids, and he found it full of symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | joellewrites: | @elanaroth Happy to say I haven’t thought about symbolism since Junior English – The Red Badge of Courage, thank you very much. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | catesfolly: | Symbols an unconscious way we as writers physically ground our themes. Silly for academia to work so hard decoding them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @Shelltex Welcome! #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | DDHearn: | I usually don’t get symbolism. Once an art director picked me: he said my art was so symbolic. I didn’t know what he meant. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | JennBailey: | RT @myrrr: symbolism works when it comes about organically. when forced, its like watching something *try* to be sexy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | EgmontGal: | @DDHearn I know you are kidding when you brought up Rasky! #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | WriterRoss: | @elanaroth Exactly.Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. (Apologies to the smokers here) <g> #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | lights_aurora: | @jemifraser lol! No I know. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | littlefluffycat: | @elanaroth Nice extra layer – added value for some, maybe? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | varianjohnson: | Anyone read SKELLIG? Personally didn’t care for it, as I though the blackbird symbolism was overkill. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | skodobah: | @LiaKeyes That’s what I like. A subtle nuance that brings the experience into the soul.#kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | DDHearn: | I just read Speak, and loved it, but I didn’t get the tree symbolism until the very end. Guess I”m just dense. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | lioncaller: | @ddhearn The root of Raskolnikov means “split.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | ebyss: | #amwriting #writegoal #kidlitchat Night all |
| 8:25 pm | RebeccAgent: | let me just state for the record I am NOT opposed to symbolism Great books of the yr like When You Reach Me are full of it #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | elanaroth: | @joellewrites Then you will be entirely bored by this topic tonight. Like me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | leewind: | @CynthiaCWillis when you say you like to write for layers, do you do a “thematic/symbolic” pass on your WIP? #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | SaraLewisHolmes: | But it could be any image that allows me to see the story in a non-verbal way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | DDHearn: | @TomYHowe Pilgrim’s Progress is an allegory, though, so one would expect everything to have some meaning. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | bonnieadamson: | @DDHearn I am much more aware of literary symbols than purely visual ones. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @WriterRoss LOL!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | varianjohnson: | Also, to me, a good prologue / epilogue has hints of symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | myrrr: | If Catcher in the Rye came out today, would it bed considered YA? #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | sandyalonzo: | What did the author mean in the first place, unless he/she tells us in an interview? #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | littlefluffycat: | @BonnieAdamson Yes, I really think so; doesn’t come up on the 1st or even 3rd reading-but it’s what GETS you that 3rd read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | _rachelsimon: | @DDHearn You’re not dense at all… People recognize symbolism when they realize it. Everyone learns at different paces. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | auntieflamingo: | 4 me symbolism = Simpsons:I can watch Simpsons brain dead and enjoy it. If I’m paying attention 2the show I catch hidden humour. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | RebeccAgent: | and to say I’m not analytical cracks me up #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | leewind: | @LoulieArt Gosh, I love that film – The Red Balloon. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | Storycasting: | @lkblackburne I read Animal Farm as a 5th grader, and saw the symbolism to Communism (as I understood it then). #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | varianjohnson: | I do. RT @leewind: @CynthiaCWillis when you say you like to write for layers, do you do a “thematic/symbolic” pass on your WIP? #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | skodobah: | @joellewrites That’s symbolic, you know. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | lkblackburne: | @RebeccAgent What symbolism did you see in When you Reach me? #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | _rachelsimon: | @leewind Was that about the little boy and his red balloon? @LoulieArt #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | tehawesomersace: | @malindalo I got that from Fire, too. Especially when she kept harping on her monthly cycle. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | littlefluffycat: | @myrrr always remember sayers relating that a fan told her she did something, went home & looked, “wow, I did…” #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | TomYHowe: | Whew, this #kidlitchat moves so fast there’s no time to comment! Chatfast, superfast, typequick or lose out!!! |
| 8:27 pm | leewind: | RT @skodobah: @LiaKeyes That’s what I like. A subtle nuance that brings the experience into the soul.#kidlitchat So is it the numinous? |
| 8:27 pm | dlschubert: | @malindalo Haven’t read it. I’m sure writers can, but I don’t know if it’s the best approach. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | bonnieadamson: | @RebeccAgent So what are you analytical about in a ms? #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | @leewind Yes, I’d have to say that I do, in the revision phase, read for specific symbols and themes. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | crissachappell: | @varianjohnson me too…because it teaches me so much (and as I write, I feel like I’m learning new things all the time) #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | PattyJMurphy: | @SaraLewisHolmes I like ur spiraly symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | LoulieArt: | @auntieflamingo I like Arrested Development for that reason. WHY oh why did they end that show. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | WriterRoss: | Should I ask the Elephant in the Room q? : Do Newbery titles (eg, librarians’ picks) fulfill a symbolic need for symb in bks? #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | bonnieadamson: | @TomYHowe And then read the transcript! #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | CarrieRyanchat: | I do think a lot of writers do it on purpose, but sometimes I think people read too much into things too… #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | LoulieArt: | @_rachelsimon YES! And, I swear, you should have heard my hubby’s interpretation. WAY MORE than I could have come up with. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | JennBailey: | @WriterRoss Lovely question! #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | Storycasting: | Also, The original Bre’r Rabbit stories, The Wind in the Willows, and most of the Childs Book of Verse, clearly metaphorical #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | LJBoldyrev: | Great discussion on symbolism at #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | DDHearn: | @lioncaller I didn’t know that. Crime and Punishment was one of the first adult books I read, and loved. Thanks for clarifying. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | skodobah: | @leewind That sounds right.#kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | editorgurl: | @littlefluffycat hmm, i focus more on character & if their actions & thoughts feel “true”, not so much the symbols around them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | lkblackburne: | @myrrr I wouldn’t have read Catcher for fun in high school. Didn’t really even like it in Engilsh Class. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | LoulieArt: | @WriterRoss Fantastic question! #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | TomYHowe: | To me symbolism is best enjoyed by a kid on the second readthrough, that AHA! moment it can bring. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | varianjohnson: | @WriterRoss Don’t know about Newbery, but I thought THE WHITE DARKNESS (Printz Winner) was chocked full of symbolism. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | bonnieadamson: | @WriterRoss Or to rephrase, do “literary” books have more symbolism? #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | LiaKeyes: | Symbolism is the basis of character in Chronicles of Narnia. Each has a purpose & point of origin for a deeper meaning. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | LJBoldyrev: | I watched a woman on TV try to explain how TOY STORY had a lot of sexual symbolism woven into it… #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | bonnieadamson: | @LiaKeyes Symbolism or allegory–or are they the same? (re: Narnia books) #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | auntieflamingo: | @LoulieArt I’m glad you understand what I was trying to say. I wasn’t sure if I described it correctly. ArrDev too bad it’s gone #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | DDHearn: | @leewind The Red Balloon was one of my favorite Children’s Books. I didn’t realize it was a film until much later. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | WriterRoss: | Well then. (Wiping brow) Now I do not feel so elephant-y. Elephantine? <g> #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | LiaKeyes: | @bonnieadamson They’re not the same, but Narnia uses both. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | skodobah: | @LJBoldyrev Oh dear! That would be interesting to hear. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | dlschubert: | @TomYHowe But is the “aha” moment symbolism, or a truth/lesson realized? #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | sandyalonzo: | For most teen readers, symbolism is something your English teacher tells you to look for in the assigned reads. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | amithaknight: | @lkblackburne I really liked Catcher in the Rye in high school. i need to read it again. i don’t really remember it now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | varianjohnson: | I see allegory as a form of symbolism RT @bonnieadamson: @LiaKeyes Symbolism or allegory–or are they the same? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | CynthiaCWillis: | Hubby is watching a really stupid movie and I’m wondering. . . Is there symbolism here? : ) #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | LoulieArt: | @LJBoldyrev HaHa Well, you know that Scooby Doo is loaded w/ drug symbolism. That always intrigued me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | sandyalonzo: | @DDHearn How funny! I didn’t realize The Red Balloon was a book!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | TomYHowe: | Speaking of symbolism, it would be nice if the apostrophe symbol was working in this #kidlitchatthread, wouldn’t it? |
| 8:33 pm | LoulieArt: | And Alice in Wonderland, of course. Shroom tea, anyone? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | dlschubert: | I’m going to get a lot of slack for this, but I think people’s perception of symbolism is often nothing more than opinion. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | SaraLewisHolmes: | @varianjohnson I loved THE WHITE DARKNESS. Or maybe the word is “enthralled.” I got so caught up it that journey. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | LiaKeyes: | Snow White is full of symbolism: Colors (red,white, black); the number seven (Biblical # of perfection) #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | skodobah: | Buzz Lightyear – why does he have so many buttons?#kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | hatbooks: | @CynthiaCWillis I also focus on themes, symbols, metaphors during revision–toning down some, heightening others. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | leewind: | Are Symbols and Themes the “Extras” we writers use to reach readers’ on a mythic level? #kidlitchat |
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