Kidlitchat Transcript – November 10 (part 3)

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9:01 pm kellybarnhill: @TrishDoller Oh, fer sure. Hang around with high school kids for a couple of weeks, and you’ll see. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm camoulton: @sarahockler @tehawesomersace I know many boys in college who are embarrassed about being virgins&desperate to sleep w/anything #kidlitchat
9:01 pm leewind: #kidlitchat re: virginity conundrum: Boys expected to be experienced. Girls expected to be virgins. Boys not expected to be Gay
9:01 pm dawnmetcalf: @chavelaque Brilliant. (And true. And a little squidgy.) #kidlitchat
9:01 pm bonnieadamson: Does anyone do good character driven mystery for MG, YA? #kidlitchat
9:01 pm andreacremer: To me “slutty” reads as double standard for girl v. boys RT @TrishDoller Do “slutty” girls still exist? #kidlitchat
9:01 pm gregpincus: @EgmontGal Don’t worry about those women. They’re in therapy. Everything will be fine in time! :-) #kidlitchat
9:01 pm EgmontGal: @kcclyburn I wish I had gone to your high school! My lunchtimes much more boring, usually finishig homework #kidlitchat
9:01 pm AudryT: Gossping about who’s a slut is one way that girls find an excuse to talk about sex. There are many clever excuses. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm MargoWest: @LJBoldyrev Can’t express my Ani-love enough :D #kidlitchat
9:01 pm adamselzer: @AuthorTaraKelly Girls are WORSE. Girls talk about sex and sound liberated. When guys do it, we sound like douchebags. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm bonnieadamson: @nkrell AArgh! I’m taping it!! #kidlitchat
9:01 pm jamieharrington: @EgmontGal #kidlitchat I’d like to see more of those bad girls be the heroines though!
9:01 pm maggiedana: @EgmontGal My friends in London wear really high heels and pointy toes. I wore those a gazilion years ago. Winkle pickers. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm thedreamereader: Have you noticed that boys today aren’t as… virtuous as before. Stupid peer pressure #kidlitchat
9:01 pm EgmontGal: @nkrell Finally! some real life news on kidlitchat. Glad Donnie is still there. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm kellybarnhill: @TrishDoller One thing that’s different now than when I was a kid is that kids’ll call boys “sluts”. And they *mean* it. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm DDHearn: @JessicaCapelle I thought the creator of Supernatural planned all along for the story to end after five years. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm CDominiqueG: @JessicaCapelle yes Blume is a genius #kidlitchat
9:02 pm dawnmetcalf: Or redeemed (Faith) RT @EgmontGal @TrishDoller Slutty girls still exist but are RARELY the heroines. Almost always the bad girl. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm leewind: @omgjulia I’m excited to see books where the difference is something besides M.C. being Gay #kidlitchat
9:02 pm MargoWest: @bonnieadamson Encyclopedia Brown :P #kidlitchat
9:02 pm kcclyburn: Trust me–the myth that girls in high school don’t talk about sex is GREATLY exaggerated. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm EgmontGal: @leewind Lee, there are a lot of gay characters in YA fiction now I think. Now they are the supporting character #kidlitchat
9:02 pm AuthorTaraKelly: @adamselzer Haha, I can’t argue there ;) #kidlitchat
9:02 pm EgmontGal: @maggiedana yeah but the shoes are all imported #kidlitchat
9:02 pm JessicaCapelle: @DDHearn he did but there’s a chance of a 6th. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm TrishDoller: @MargoWest In real life. I remember in HS there were girls w/”bad reputations”. Wondered if teens still made the distinction. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm LJBoldyrev: RT @jamieharrington: @EgmontGal #kidlitchat Id like to see more of those bad girls be the heroines though! #kidlitchat
9:02 pm KateMessner: @thereadingzone Agree on need for upper MG – my 7th graders split down the middle -half ready for YA, half looking for older MG.#kidlitchat
9:02 pm catesfolly: @chavelaque Books where kids do have sex & buy property then is pretty exciting stuff (Holly Black, Ned Vizzini, Chris Crutcher) #kidlitchat
9:02 pm andreacremer: Agreed RT @jamieharrington @EgmontGal #kidlitchat I’d like to see more of those bad girls be the heroines though!
9:02 pm chavelaque: @dawnmetcalf Mmm, I mostly thought “Eh” at observation, b/c it excluded all kidlit & many of our books are better than his! #kidlitchat
9:02 pm dawnmetcalf: RT @jamieharrington @EgmontGal #kidlitchat I’d like to see more of those bad girls be the heroines though! << Yeah, me, too. YA backlash?
9:02 pm kcclyburn: @AudryT Or they just talk about the experiences they have with sex. It happens. It’s not as odd as people seem to think. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm gregpincus: RT @bonnieadamson: Does anyone do good character driven mystery for MG, YA? #kidlitchat
9:03 pm JessicaCapelle: @DDHearn don’t know what they’d do though! lol #kidlitchat
9:03 pm f_rancesca: @EgmontGal @trishdoller Interesting idea though to have comfortably sexually active YA heroine. Where the sex was background #kidlitchat
9:03 pm AuthorTaraKelly: Yes..the ’slutty’ vs. ‘player’ terms have always bugged me. I prefer the term female ‘player’, but that’s me ;) #kidlitchat
9:03 pm anticlimatic: My childhood was a mix of The Baby Sitter’s Club, Sweet Valley, and Goosebumps. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm EgmontGal: @jamieharrington we did a b ook called “Easy” at Simon and Schuster about a slut. Very interesting and movign. didn’t sell well #kidlitchat
9:03 pm tehawesomersace: @kcclyburn Seriously. Girls talk as much as boys, if not more. Just use more pretense. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm kellybarnhill: @leewind Demonstrated by the numbers too: Age of sexual oncet for boys is fourteen in the US. For girls: 16. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm maggiedana: From Italy. (sigh). Soft, buttery, COMFY. RT @EgmontGal: @maggiedana yeah but the shoes are all imported #kidlitchat
9:03 pm gregpincus: @nkrell For many of us, DWTS hasn’t even started yet as it’s 7PM #kidlitchat
9:03 pm CynthiaCWillis: Enjoy the rest of #kidlitchat, all… I can’t take anymore of the TweetChat dumps. I think I’ve gone cross-eyed. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm omgjulia: @leewind Yes! That’s what makes things like @malindalo’s Ash so cool! She’s not an outsider because she’s gay. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm RebeccAgent: @bonnieadamson some consider Paper Towns a mystery #kidlitchat
9:04 pm EgmontGal: @leewind I need to DM you, having bad acid flashbacks about SCBWI LA. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm KayCassidy: @KateMessner What kind of older MG, Kate? And is it more boys or girls or both? #kidlitchat
9:04 pm JessicaCapelle: @CDominiqueG and L’Engle. I read her a lot. Love C.S. Lewis too as a child #kidlitchat
9:04 pm kellybarnhill: @kcclyburn Yeah, my seventh grade students had raunchy mouths – and the girls were the worst of it. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm kcclyburn: @egmontgal Yeeeaaah…no you don’t. Those talks are far more scarring than I’d like to admit. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm maggiedana: @EgmontGal English Clarkes are wicked comfortable, though. Stylish, not. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm debbieohi: RT @bonnieadamson: Does anyone do good character driven mystery for MG, YA? #kidlitchat
9:04 pm catesfolly: @f_rancesca SUNSHINE by Robin McKinley did this (I know I am a one-note record on this book) #kidlitchat
9:04 pm dawnmetcalf: RT @adamselzer Girls are WORSE. Girls talk about sex & sound liberated. When guys do it, we sound like douchebags. #kidlitchat << True. <:-S
9:04 pm jamieharrington: @EgmontGal #kidlitchat the bad girls are fun to write, but hard for reader girls to connect with, I guess.
9:04 pm kellybarnhill: @AuthorTaraKelly And boy slut. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm maggiedana: @CynthiaCWillis What’s a tweetchat dump? #kidlitchat
9:05 pm nandinibajpai: I love the way sexuality is handled in graceling and fire #kidlitchat
9:05 pm Travis_Pearson: Gay characters are slowly becoming more mainstream. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm camoulton: @dawnmetcalf Very true. Many girls in my school compete with each other to see who will lose it first. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm thereadingzone: My childhood was a mix of Babysitters Club, VC Andrews, LM Montgomery, and L’Engle #kidlitchat
9:05 pm dawnmetcalf: @chavelaque Oh. Less good, then. *NOT* main interest by a long shot! #kidlitchat
9:05 pm EgmontGal: @f_rancesca there are many sexually active YA heroines.Not sure all are credible, hard to cut emotion out of sex for girls I say #kidlitchat
9:05 pm storyexperiment: @gregpincus when I wrote the song stories about Sinatra, Diamond and Mayer, I played their music all week. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm kellybarnhill: @gregpincus Yes! Pete Hautman’s Rash and anything by Mary Logue. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm nkrell: @JessicaCapelle I love C.S. Lewis. Tokien as well! #kidlitchat
9:05 pm andreacremer: RT @omgjulia @leewind Yes! That’s what makes things like @malindalo’s Ash so cool! She’s not an outsider because she’s gay. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm AudryT: When considering chara options, don’t forget the girls who avoid talk about sex & sex itself. They’re full of internal conflict. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm KateMessner: @KayCassidy Books about regular middle school kids like them. My girls are more likely to read YA than boys. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm AuthorTaraKelly: @jamieharrington Bad girls or tomboys are harder to make sympathetic it seems.. I speak from personal exp *sigh* #kidlitchat
9:05 pm EgmontGal: @catesfolly I am glad you keep pushing Sunshine, I keep meaning to read it.And pre-marital sex in a Newbery? Hero and Crown #kidlitchat
9:05 pm thedreamereader: Cant deny that RT @adamselzer Girls r WORSE. Girls talk about sex & sound liberated. When guys do it, we sound like douchebags. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm PattyJMurphy: @EgmontGal: RE: SCBWI/LA: I heard all ur talks in LA + only remember your good advice and funny sense of humor:) #kidlitchat
9:05 pm kcclyburn: RT @adamselzer: Girls are WORSE. Girls talk about sex and sound liberated. When guys do it, we sound like douchebags.: Oh yeah. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm mgbuehrlen: I won’t be able to identify with a promiscuous MC. Interesting concept, but not a lot of readership, IMO. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm kellybarnhill: @RebeccAgent Oh! Loved Paper Towns! #kidlitchat
9:06 pm RebeccAgent: @bonnieadamson the Lulu Dark books by Bennett Madison are commercial teen mystery #kidlitchat
9:06 pm f_rancesca: @catesfolly Will totally go read it. V. intriguing idea. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm dpeterfreund: In books, do you like the MC who chases his/her love interest, or the MC who is pursued? Does this change depending on gender? #kidlitchat
9:06 pm sarahockler: RT @leewind: virginity conundrum: Boys expected to be experienced. Girls expected to be virgins. Boys not expected to be Gay #kidlitchat
9:06 pm debbieohi: @maggiedana I think she means the pause followed by a large number of tweets going by at once. I’m getting that, too. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm KarenCollum: As a way too uptight good girl in real life, I used to like reading about bad girls bc I knew I didn’t have the guts to be one #kidlitchat
9:06 pm andreacremer: Agreed RT @nandinibajpai I love the way sexuality is handled in graceling and fire #kidlitchat
9:06 pm kcclyburn: @EgmontGal There needs to be emotion in it, but maybe it doesn’t always have to be regret, remorse, horrror, etc.,. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm nkrell: @mgbuehrlen I have to agree with you. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm EgmontGal: New SCBWI speech title: More Cowbell, Less pluck, more sluts! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm JessicaCapelle: @nkrell yep I read the Hobbit when I was 10 I believe. Didn’t read LOTR until later tho #kidlitchat
9:07 pm Travis_Pearson: @KateMessner Girls are more likely to read than boys anyway. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm jamieharrington: @AuthorTaraKelly I think that’s true… and if we can’t make them likable… then no one wants to read it #kidlitchat
9:07 pm Buffyandrews: Night all. Back to writing. Thanks for chat:) #kidlitchat
9:07 pm AudryT: @dpeterfreund For me, it’s about the writing, so I like all of those depending on how they’re executed. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm thedreamereader: @dpeterfreund it depends on the MC and the LI #kidlitchat
9:07 pm dawnmetcalf: @kellybarnhill @AuthorTaraKelly My friend @wildzannah called guys like that “slud” (halfway btwn “slut” & “stud”) ;-) !! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm maggiedana: Romance novels? RT @sarahockler: Boys expected to be experienced. Girls expected to be virgins. Boys not expected to be Gay #kidlitchat
9:07 pm adamselzer: Girls pressure guys to have sex, and they don’t all want to, though they’re expected to act like they are. Different pressures. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm Irisheyz77: @dpeterfreund for me it changes depending on the story. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm catesfolly: @EgmontGal I think McKinley does fantastic characters and deals with a fair amount of emotional subtlety in relationships. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm KayCassidy: @KateMessner I like character-driven MG. Wish there was more, but so much is high concept now. Like that too, just different. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm JessicaCapelle: @thereadingzone how could I forget VC Andrews!! Definitely #kidlitchat
9:07 pm KarenCollum: But I must admit I was a sucker for a bad girl turned good story. Maybe validated me in some way in HS?? #kidlitchat
9:07 pm EgmontGal: @kcclyburn I thought regret/remorse/horror after sex went out in the early 70s. Again, I must plug Rich and Mad. It’s fab! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm debbieohi: I keep seeing _Paper Towns_ mentioned. I’m going to have to add this to my “to read” list! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm tehawesomersace: Yes! I’d go to see that! RT @EgmontGal: New SCBWI speech title: More Cowbell, Less pluck, more sluts! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm SarahBWinters: RT @EgmontGal: New SCBWI speech title: More Cowbell, Less pluck, more sluts! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm andreacremer: ROFL RT @EgmontGal New SCBWI speech title: More Cowbell, Less pluck, more sluts! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm kellybarnhill: @dawnmetcalf HAHAHAHA! Must use! #kidlitchat
9:08 pm Idaho_Laurie: @AuthorTaraKelly Agreed. Especially bad girls. DJ Schwenk (Dairy Queen) is a great & sympathetic tomboy, though. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm TrishDoller: @EgmontGal Ha! PERFECT! #kidlitchat
9:08 pm kcclyburn: I found this article kind of interesting, think it applies to shifting moods amongst YA’s. http://bit.ly/3hj3O0 #kidlitchat
9:08 pm mgbuehrlen: Although promiscuous male MCs seem to get a *lot* of readership. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm thedreamereader: RT @leewind: virginity conundrum: Boys expected to be experienced. Girls expected to be virgins. Boys not expected to be Gay #kidlitchat
9:08 pm anticlimatic: RT @debbieohi: I keep seeing _Paper Towns_ mentioned. I’m going to have to add this to my “to read” list! #kidlitchat
9:08 pm f_rancesca: RT @kcclyburn @EgmontGal There needs to be emotion in it, but maybe it doesnt always have to be regret, remorse, horror, etc. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm maggiedana: @debbieohi Certainly keeps one on one’s toes, this tweetchat dump thingy. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm KarenCollum: Is there a place for the good kid still?? Personally I think there a lot of mainstream kids who don’t push the boundaries. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm KateMessner: @Travis_Pearson My 7th grade boys are huge readers – just make different choices than the girls sometimes. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm dawnmetcalf: andreacremer @nandinibajpai I don’t agree. Don’t like guy *apologizing* for falling in love. Insta-turn-off, IMO. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm camoulton: IMO Sex should be covered more in YA. Important topic for teens to experience from a safe distance through reading. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm anticlimatic: @debbieohi It’s a great book. You should read it. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm catesfolly: @EgmontGal Also think McKinley does a lot of MC’s constrained by their circumstances/inheritances – another good recipe I think. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm dlschubert: RE: boys not expected to be gay, I’d say the same for girls. Slightly more “acceptable” but not expected. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm debbieohi: Because of #kidlitchat, I’m never going to hear the words “pluck” and “cowbell” the same way. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm JessicaCapelle: @debbieohi I’m buying it tomorrow. All my SAT students say he nailed teen dialogue #kidlitchat
9:08 pm jamieharrington: @heatherwpetty slurp #kidlitchat
9:08 pm kellybarnhill: @EgmontGal *snort!* #kidlitchat
9:08 pm dawnmetcalf: BWAHAHAHA! RT @SarahBWinters RT @EgmontGal: New SCBWI speech title: More Cowbell, Less pluck, more sluts! #kidlitchat
9:08 pm furies: @dpeterfreund i like strong girls/women. i hate the twilight model. i like boys chasing girls more than girls chasing boys. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm EgmontGal: @PattyJMurphy Think I inadvertently insulted 3 people in talk, wish I could fix that. All that editor-stroking went to my head. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm LJBoldyrev: Favorited that one RT @EgmontGal: New SCBWI speech title: More Cowbell, Less pluck, more sluts! #kidlitchat
9:09 pm Travis_Pearson: Also in the Mortal Instruments series. RT @nandinibajpai I love the way sexuality is handled in graceling and fire #kidlitchat
9:09 pm kcclyburn: @mgbuehrlen Oddly enough, promiscious female MC’s get labelled sluts by…well…female *readers*. I never understand it… #kidlitchat
9:09 pm TrishDoller: @mgbuehrlen Oh, that’s good news! *grin* #kidlitchat
9:09 pm marjorielight: @SarahBWinters I feel like a stockbroker on the floor, shouting out tweets to myself to keep up with the speed of the posts #kidlitchat
9:09 pm dawnmetcalf: So “strength” of a character seems to be how “real” they are. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm nandinibajpai: Must get back to writing. Slave to nanowrimo word counter. Thanks, and night all! #kidlitchat
9:09 pm elanaroth: So I flaked out of #kidlitchat. Sorry team.
9:09 pm EgmontGal: @dlschubert I actually think we see many more gay teens as “normal” characters in novels than we see lesbian teens. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm kcclyburn: @furies Boys chasing girls is something that needs to be explored a bit more in YA. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm debbieohi: @anticlimatic Just added to my list. :-) #kidlitchat
9:09 pm KayCassidy: @KarenCollum Such an interesting point! I always think of girls not wanting to ID w/ them, but for some girls… might be hope? #kidlitchat
9:10 pm maggiedana: @EgmontGal Don’t you just wish life had a rewind button? #kidlitchat
9:10 pm AuthorTaraKelly: I love it when the love interests start out hating each other. <3 #kidlitchat
9:10 pm happybluejess: This thread is making me remember first reads of Anais Nin vs. Henry Miller. Or Erica Jong! #kidlitchat
9:10 pm Idaho_Laurie: Jo Knowles does a great job of capturing girls AND guys views of sex in JUMPING OFF SWINGS. Four narrators, too. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm MargoWest: @TrishDoller Oh yeah there definitely are. I don’t think it’ll ever go away. People are a little more tolerant now I think tho #kidlitchat
9:10 pm EgmontGal: What YA book nailed Teen dialog? Paper Towns? Don’t want to miss something good #kidlitchat
9:10 pm LJBoldyrev: @kcclyburn Girls are cruel to one another. Even I don’t understand it. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm ChristineTB: Tonight’s chat is a test of endurance and speed reading. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm andreacremer: Agreed1 RT @Travis_Pearson Also in the Mortal Instruments series. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm sarahockler: @EgmontGal Looking forward to Rich and Mad! #kidlitchat
9:10 pm EgmontGal: @elanaroth Kidlitchat can be summed up by we want more sluts in YA literature to be heroines #kidlitchat
9:10 pm kcclyburn: @dawnmetcalf Relatively speaking yes. They have to feel and exist like real people, while leading more exciting lives. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm maggiedana: Did you miss the cowbell bits? RT @elanaroth: So I flaked out of #kidlitchat. Sorry team. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm bonnieadamson: RT @dawnmetcalf: So “strength” of a character seems to be how “real” they are. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm KarenCollum: @KayCassidy I found it an escape I suppose. Didn’t want to be them, but wanted to know what it would be like if I was them. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm dlschubert: @EgmontGal You can’t please all the people all the time. ;-) #kidlitchat
9:10 pm jeanie_w: @bonnieadamson I picked up an Enola Holmes mystery by Nancy Springer at the library. Haven’t read it yet tho #kidlitchat
9:11 pm AuthorTaraKelly: Or just more female MCs who have interests outside boys. Their passions come first. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm RuthanneReid: @dlschubert #kidlitchat Actually, it depends on the subculture. Right now, among anime fans, lesbian is “in” – including peer pressure.
9:11 pm thedreamereader: I just noticed how little braces are talked about in YA lit. Which is kinda weird since every YA I know has them #kidlitchat
9:11 pm andreacremer: Sure is! RT @ChristineTB Tonight’s chat is a test of endurance and speed reading. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm KateMessner: @Idaho_Laurie Yes! I loved JUMPING OFF SWINGS. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm Travis_Pearson: @KateMessner I wish I went to your school. Most of the guys thought it was weird that I read a lot vs. sports, etc. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm catesfolly: @f_rancesca LESS emotion sometimes more real. I think a lot of 1st time experiences are FLAT, like it was clinical. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm TrishDoller: @dawnmetcalf Yes. How real, plucky, and slutty they are. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm mgbuehrlen: @kcclyburn It’s a competition thing, I guess? Any excuse to put another girl down. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm maggiedana: Life as We Knew It. RT @EgmontGal: What YA book nailed Teen dialog? Paper Towns? Dont want to miss something good #kidlitchat
9:11 pm LiaKeyes: btw, just popped back to say I think you’re all “Truuuuulyyy Scrumptious!” #kidlitchat
9:11 pm kellybarnhill: @EgmontGal MT Anderson’s Feed nailed the teen cadence, I thought. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm f_rancesca: @kcclyburn @mgbuehrlen Oh patriarchy! Making women oppress themselves/each other. Grr. Argh. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm LJBoldyrev: First novel I wrote(unpub)starts that way :-) RT @AuthorTaraKelly: I love it when the love interests start out hating each other #kidlitchat
9:11 pm debbieohi: Thanks for the great chat, esp @bonnieadamson & @gregpincus for hosting. These chats just keep getting better. Gnite, all. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm dlschubert: @EgmontGal Interesting. Why do you think that is? (re: gay vs lesbian) #kidlitchat
9:12 pm RuthanneReid: #kidlitchat Witness w/my own eyes 2 wks ago: anime fan “lesbians” mocking their one “str8″ friend for “still” having a boyfriend.
9:12 pm thedreamereader: Uh-oh, just noticed who much homework I have. I g2g. It was FANTASTIC talking to everyone! Good night awesome people! #kidlitchat
9:12 pm dawnmetcalf: Even has its own term “Relational Aggression” @LJBoldyrev @kcclyburn Girls are cruel to one another. Even I don’t understand it. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm KayCassidy: @KarenCollum 100% YES. Mine’s about do-gooder populars. I talk all the time about how not all teens are into sex/drugs/drinking. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm SarahBWinters: @marjorielight no kidding, its like its all just one big flash before your eyes… dont blink or youll miss something! #kidlitchat
9:12 pm EgmontGal: @RuthanneReid Lesbian, or just Lesbians Until Graduation (LUGs) That’s what they call them at Vassar I’ve been told #kidlitchat
9:12 pm DDHearn: @thedreamereader I think braces are much more accepted and normal now than when I was a kid. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm bonnieadamson: @jeanie_w @RebeccAgent–Thx for mystery recommendations. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm KarenCollum: @AuthorTaraKelly Yes, couldn’t agree more. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm Travis_Pearson: @AuthorTaraKelly I love when the love interests realize that they don’t love each other. Sometimes. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm furies: @EgmontGal i agree, the lesbians out there are having a much harder time of it. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm MargoWest: @AuthorTaraKelly YES. I love Ballad/Lament by M Stiefvater because Deirdre has INTERESTS OMG #kidlitchat
9:12 pm Idaho_Laurie: @EgmontGal Ron Koertge is a master of dialogue (like in DEADVILLE). Melissa Wyatt’s FUNNY HOW THINGS CHANGE was great, too. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm KayCassidy: @dawnmetcalf I think of strength of character as being how much they’re willing to do/be what they think is right. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm LJBoldyrev: I should get off here as well. Thanks for the chat! #kidlitchat
9:12 pm EgmontGal: @dlschubert I don’t know! I just notice it. Maybe we (girl readers and writers) more comfortable with accepting Gay men? #kidlitchat
9:13 pm andreacremer: Inescapable, argh! RT @f_rancesca @kcclyburn @mgbuehrlen Oh patriarchy! Making women oppress themselves/each other. Grr. Argh. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm LaFabuliste: Ooh, look, it’s #kidlitchat!
9:13 pm dawnmetcalf: @EgmontGal Heard of “GUG” (Gay Until Graduation) – very upsetting for GLBTQ folks to be brushed off as a phase. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm AudryT: Strong chara = well-drawn, fully fleshed out, distinctive voice, goes somewhere. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm kcclyburn: It’d be interesting to see androgyny and bisexuality explored in YA more, given current trends. Not every just gay or straight. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm anticlimatic: @debbieohi You might also want to pick up his other books, “Looking for Alaska” and “An Abundance of Katherines.” #kidlitchat
9:13 pm jeanie_w: @bonnieadamson Have you tried the Echo Falls mysteries (YA) by Peter Abrahams? I read one and liked it. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm RuthanneReid: @EgmontGal Well said! I’m fairly sure just LUG. The only they wanted to look at was yaoi porn, not yuri. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm sarahockler: RT @EgmontGal: @elanaroth Kidlitchat summed up – we want more sluts in YA lit to be heroines <– w/o calls from mad parents! #kidlitchat
9:13 pm KarenCollum: @KayCassidy That’s awesome. We must think alike :) #kidlitchat
9:13 pm JessicaCapelle: Yes, all my SAT students tell me that RT @EgmontGal: What YA book nailed Teen dialog? Paper Towns? #kidlitchat
9:13 pm dlschubert: @EgmontGal I thought girls being girls was so ‘cool’ these days…! #kidlitchat
9:14 pm mgbuehrlen: @TrishDoller Seriously! Bond-like characters who have a new girl every book – people don’t mind them as much. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm DDHearn: This was a wonderful chat. I’ll have to check the rest on the transcript. Good night, everyone. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm RebeccAgent: btw THE GIRLS by Amy Goldman Koss is the best MG I’ve ever read about how mean girls are to one another (no sluttiness involved) #kidlitchat
9:14 pm Travis_Pearson: Maybe next week’s topic should be about gay/lesbian characters, plots, etc? This is interesting. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm JessicaCapelle: @thedreamereader good point re: braces! lol #kidlitchat
9:14 pm MargoWest: @kcclyburn Agreed but the backlash is ridic – Look at the Myracle thing with one girl having two (barely present) moms! #kidlitchat
9:14 pm KarenCollum: It’s hard to be the good kid in high school. They rarely get celebrated – maligned for being preachy when not nec. so. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm kcclyburn: @sarahockler Bring the calls on! I refuse to be silenced! Woooo! #kidlitchat
9:14 pm dawnmetcalf: @f_rancesca @kcclyburn @mgbuehrlen …did you MEAN to end that with a Joss Whedon zombie send-off? <;-) #kidlitchat
9:14 pm fullofstars: How about the male character realizing slowly that he likes her, but she doesn’t believe he really exists. (he’s see-through) #kidlitchat
9:14 pm RebeccAgent: AND it’s a book with 4 povs Done successfully. wonderfully. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm EgmontGal: @dawnmetcalf Not all gays and lesbians are in transitory phase of COURSE but some do experiment and change I believe, no? #kidlitchat
9:14 pm camoulton: @AuthorTaraKelly Agreed! For me, horses came first. Boys were fun, but I was dedicated to my sport. Would love to see that in YA #kidlitchat
9:15 pm andreacremer: Great idea RT @Travis_Pearson Maybe next week’s topic should be about gay/lesbian characters, plots, etc? This is interesting. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm scott_tracey: @dlschubert I think its more acceptable when people think its a phase, or the girl is just dabbling. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm jamieharrington: @heatherwpetty johnny depp is a babe. He deserves a good slurpping. even if publicly. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm TrishDoller: @mgbuehrlen Hmmm… You give me ideas. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm f_rancesca: @dawnmetcalf Of course! Grr. Argh. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm dawnmetcalf: @JessicaCapelle @EgmontGal @TrishDoller John Green is just plain awesome at teen dialogue, IMO. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm bonnieadamson: @jeanie_w not yet–am fan of Martha Grimes et al–wondred if anyone was doing same for YA–although, I was reading them at 12. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm AuthorTaraKelly: @Travis_Pearson I’m all for more gay/lesbian characters, particularly MAIN characters where the main issue isn’t coming out #kidlitchat
9:15 pm RuthanneReid: #kidlitchat I think part of the “genuine” voice for youth is that no matter what they’re into, peer pressure is a big part of it.
9:16 pm sarahockler: @kcclyburn LOL I can fwd you some angry/critical mom/teacher/librarian emails/reviews. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm EgmontGal: @camoulton Read Flambards by KM PEyton. Trust me on this. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm kcclyburn: @MargoWest Best way to change things is to start introducing those components into stories, otherwise they won’t get addressed. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm dlschubert: @EgmontGal Meant girls being WITH girls! #kidlitchat
9:16 pm maggiedana: What are boys? My horse was a gelding. RT @camoulton: Horses came first. Boys were fun, but I was dedicated to my sport. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm jamieharrington: @EgmontGal but is there a big audience for gay YA? I am not saying people shouldn’t write it, I just wonder if audience is there #kidlitchat
9:16 pm mgbuehrlen: @TrishDoller ;-) #kidlitchat
9:16 pm AudryT: GUG? Insulting. I was AUG but that was a choice. Gay is a natural part of self, not a “hobby” invented to scare straight narrows #kidlitchat
9:16 pm MargoWest: It’s been fun; time to get writing! #kidlitchat
9:16 pm Livingbymypen: RTKarenCollumIs there a place for the good kidstill?PersonallyI think there a lot of mainstreamkids who don’tpush the boundaries #kidlitchat
9:16 pm f_rancesca: Thanks for great chat all. My brain needs serious time off now to recover. Luckily, it’s bedtime. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm KayCassidy: Whoops… way past shutting down time. Great chat tonight! #kidlitchat
9:16 pm dawnmetcalf: @EgmontGal That’s the real thing. Even if you “experiment” once, you’re labeled G/L/B in our society forever. Why is that? #kidlitchat
9:16 pm kcclyburn: @AuthorTaraKelly Ditto. The same thing as POC MC’s that aren’t from ghettos or conventional “issue” books. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm marjorielight: @SarahBWinters It’s so rapid-by the time I’m caught up using speed reading techniques there are 157 more posts! #kidlitchat
9:16 pm bonnieadamson: @RuthanneReid Yes, or else the opposite extreme: isolation. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm dlschubert: @scott_tracey True. It’s kind of a novelty. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm dawnmetcalf: @LJBoldyrev http://www.opheliaproject.org/main/index.htm #kidlitchat
9:17 pm LaFabuliste: Of course it’s more acceptable for girls to be into one another than boys. 2 girls pleases the male hierarchy. 2 boys=ickythreat #kidlitchat
9:17 pm furies: @kcclyburn there’s a book i’m forgetting abt a threesome, gay brother&sister interested in the same guy – quite good. also “luna #kidlitchat
9:17 pm MargoWest: @kcclyburn Slowly those elements are trickling in; look at the increase in the past 10 years #kidlitchat
9:17 pm mgbuehrlen: @f_rancesca Farewell! Will check out the book you mentioned. Kindle sampler, away! #kidlitchat
9:17 pm JessicaCapelle: @dawnmetcalf I’m really looking forward to reading PT this weekend. My one student threatened me if I didn’t soon! lol #kidlitchat
9:17 pm EgmontGal: @jamieharrington In general, we can sell gay YA like gay theater tickets sell. Big community of buyers in proportion to public #kidlitchat
9:17 pm sarahockler: @jamieharrington Is “Gay YA” just gay MC, or any gay character, or themes around gay issues? #kidlitchat
9:17 pm furies: @EgmontGal LUGs are at all women’s colleges. though i was first introduced to it in high school by a teacher and was offended. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm nkrell: @KayCassidy See you! #kidlitchat
9:17 pm kcclyburn: @jamieharrington YA swill always read great YA. YA isn’t really broken down into “audiences” the same way other genres are. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm happybluejess: Must….go….make the lunches. Goodnight, and thanks for the chat! #kidlitchat
9:18 pm EgmontGal: @marjorielight I stopped stressing out and deciding i can’t read all posts, just do my best. that works better #kidlitchat
9:18 pm LaFabuliste: Also, do note sarcasm. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm furies: though melinda lo’s “ash” is a recent example of awesomeness in YA lesbians . . . but in a fairy tale, not “real life”. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm heatherwpetty: @jamieharrington Yes. Yes he does. #kidlitchat <–is totally what I’d tweet if I weren’t completely writing right now instead of Twittering
9:18 pm dawnmetcalf: @RuthanneReid This is what makes me think I missed something in HS. The only peer pressure I got was to watch Monty Python! #kidlitchat
9:18 pm PattyJMurphy: RT @KayCassidy: I talk all the time @ how not all teens are into sex/drugs/drinking! <Hurray for U…not all heroines are sluts! #kidlitchat
9:18 pm Livingbymypen: RT dlschubert @EgmontGal I thought girls being girls was so ‘cool’ these days…! #kidlitchat
9:18 pm Travis_Pearson: @AuthorTaraKelly I totally agree. Coming out novels are getting stale. “M or F?” was a fun, unique take on it though. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm jeanie_w: @BonnieAdamson Enola Holmes looks to be MG. Main character/detective is Sherlock’s little sister as a girl. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm sharigreen: @EgmontGal Seems to me the dialog was good in Crash Into Me #kidlitchat
9:18 pm RuthanneReid: @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat Was 1 of those kids who prided myself on being “different” because I couldn’t fit in. Shapes your brain a lot. Ow
9:18 pm RebeccAgent: @furies MY HEARTBEAT by Garrett Freyman-Wyer is the book about the love triangle with siblings and homosexuality #kidlitchat
9:18 pm dawnmetcalf: @leewind OMG! I’ve never heard THAT one! *wow* #kidlitchat
9:18 pm camoulton: @EgmontGal Just looked it up on Amazon. Thank you! Will be recommending it to my younger horsie friends too. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm f_rancesca: @mgbuehrlen Do! It is easy enough reading that will lull you to lovely imaginary land. Don’t be put off by first few pages. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm EgmontGal: Goodnight gang @EgmontUSA and @RossGriffin will kill Lawsy if she doesn’t do her reading. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm nkrell: @gregpincus I am so sorry to ruin it for you! DWTS was still great. Susan Boyle was on.#kidlitchat
9:19 pm andreacremer: Great chat! Night everyone :) #kidlitchat
9:19 pm TrishDoller: I’m off to develop a new series about a boy slut. (@EgmontGal, let me know when you want the first book. Hehe) Fun chat, all. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm AudryT: It’s “okay” for girls to be *sexually* into each other, but a serious lesbian relationship that doesn’t need patriarchs? #kidlitchat
9:19 pm scott_tracey: @jamieharrington I think well done gay romances could appeal to a lot of girls. Many have a gay best friend after all. #kidlitchat
9:20 pm jamieharrington: @EgmontGal okay, that makes sense… it’s nice to notice that there IS an audience. #kidlitchat
9:20 pm dawnmetcalf: @Travis_Pearson @AuthorTaraKelly What about Transgendered or “Boi”/”Grrl” characters that do not intend surgery to define self? #kidlitchat
9:20 pm Travis_Pearson: @dawnmetcalf Same here. Private Christian school = not exactly a hotbed of sin. lol #kidlitchat
9:20 pm kcclyburn: My MMC’s best friend is bi in my book, and dresses androgynously, though he still “acts straight”, whatever that means. #kidlitchat
9:20 pm camoulton: @maggiedana HAHA! And my mare is less bitchy to me than girls in my school were. Screw them! I got my horse :-D #kidlitchat
9:20 pm jamieharrington: @kcclyburn I think that YA is broken into audiences… #kidlitchat
9:20 pm adamselzer: Dinner time – night all! #kidlitchat
9:20 pm bonnieadamson: @RuthanneReid That’s the ironic dilemma of adolescence–want desperately to fit in; want desperately to be individual. #kidlitchat
9:20 pm jamieharrington: @scott_tracey now THAT is very true! #kidlitchat
9:20 pm maggiedana: @camoulton Great fiction, for grownups, though, is Night Rider, by Barbara Esstman. About horses. #kidlitchat
9:20 pm RuthanneReid: @dawnmetcalf Lucky! :D #kidlitchat (Local boy eventually confessed he was afraid to come to my house b/c I’d make him play MY way, lol)
9:20 pm marjorielight: @EgmontGal I’m either super nosy or extremely OCD, which is why I want to read ALL of the posts haha! #kidlitchat
9:20 pm EgmontGal: @scott_tracey But straight girls have a lot tailored to them, where they can imagine themselves, so gay fiction harder sell #kidlitchat
9:21 pm LJBoldyrev: Yes! RT @camoulton: @maggiedana And my mare is less bitchy to me than girls in my school were. Screw them! I got my horse :-D #kidlitchat
9:21 pm kcclyburn: @jamieharrington I think they’re more loosely defined than they are in other genres, to rephrase myself. #kidlitchat
9:21 pm furies: @RebeccAgent YES. thank you!!! #kidlitchat
9:21 pm leewind: @LaFabuliste 2 girls getting it on is loophole in our culture’s homophobia b/c straight guys think they need a guy. #kidlitchat
9:22 pm mgbuehrlen: @marjorielight Can’t think of 1 I like vicariously, but there are those who are so bad/complex, that I can’t help but love them. #kidlitchat
9:22 pm RebeccAgent: (aside– how do we read transcripts after the fact, because clearly I can’t keep up) #kidlitchat
9:22 pm EgmontGal: @LynneKelly I wrote title for my SCBWI speech: More Cowbell, less pluck, more sluts It came out of tonight’s #kidlitchat
9:22 pm dawnmetcalf: @Travis_Pearson Actually, my public HS was such a “hotbed” they made a Reality TV show out of it! (No joke!) #kidlitchat
9:22 pm LaFabuliste: Most “gay” fiction ms I’ve seen lately have been straight girl w/just come out gay best friend (who is always a boy). #kidlitchat
9:22 pm leewind: must say goodnight to #kidlitchat. Thanks for a great discussion all! Namaste, Lee
9:22 pm RuthanneReid: @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat Well said. Individul vs. belonging – made worse by whatever pressure comes from home.
9:22 pm EgmontGal: Oh God, why did I mention sluts! I got, like, 10 new porn followers you guys. Waaah. #kidlitchat
9:22 pm mgbuehrlen: Great chat! Till next week. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm jamieharrington: @kcclyburn yeah, but they are still there… some YA prefer the dark stuff, some like the cutesy stuff, etc. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm Travis_Pearson: @dawnmetcalf Transgendered, etc in novels are few and far between (as far as I know). Any examples? #kidlitchat
9:23 pm maggiedana: @EgmontGal Remember to credit us ALL … no cheating. All names, please, and we’ll be checking to make sure. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm EgmontGal: @LaFabuliste I have a YA book in January where 3 friends are girls, one realizes she is gay. “Of All the Stupid Things” #kidlitchat
9:23 pm RebeccAgent: dawnmetcalf what HS? I loves me some reality tv (in a guilty pleasures way) #kidlitchat
9:23 pm bonnieadamson: @RuthanneReid True–but much of parent pressure comes from fear of watching child repeat own misery–understood once I was one! #kidlitchat
9:23 pm Travis_Pearson: @dawnmetcalf Haha. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm LaFabuliste: And she is always immediately accepting of his sexuality. Every time. EVERY time! #kidlitchat
9:23 pm AuthorTaraKelly: Growing up..most of my friends were boys–gay, straight and everything in between. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm Livingbymypen: RT absolutely@RuthanneReidThat’s the ironic dilemma of adolescence-want desperately to fit in; want desperately to be individual #kidlitchat
9:24 pm dlschubert: I think the reality is more teenage girls are experimenting w/each other sexually these days. Still turns guys on, so it’s okay. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm AuthorTaraKelly: I have a character in my second book who cross-dresses, but he’s straight. He just loves girl clothes and make up. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm kcclyburn: @LaFabuliste I imagine that isn’t annoying repetitive, like, *at all*. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm Georgia_McBride: @KarenCollum You can be good w/o being preachy. I was. Didn’t care what others were doing. Only me. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm Travis_Pearson: Come to think of it, Characters with a gay friend of the same sex (non love interest) are very rare as well. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm camoulton: @maggiedana I’d love to see something edgy like the Saddle Club meets Gossip Girl. That sums up my junior riding career. #kidlitchat
9:25 pm scott_tracey: @EgmontGal True, but gay rom. isn’t going to appeal to straight boys. Gays primarily and then gay-friendly girls #kidlitchat
9:25 pm malindalo: Looks like I missed a great #kidlitchat tonight! For those interested in an overview of lesbian chars in YA, read this: http://bit.ly/2Fm8Y
9:25 pm dawnmetcalf: @Travis_Pearson One I know of. Have to look it up… (repped by Mark McVeigh) #kidlitchat
9:25 pm kcclyburn: @dlschubert Maybe more guys are too? But aren’t quite as open about it. Seems to be the story in a lot of cases. #kidlitchat
9:25 pm RuthanneReid: @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat Haven’t had that experience. Sometimes wonder if I can write an effective kid since I was weird and have 0 of my
9:25 pm Travis_Pearson: @AuthorTaraKelly :-O I wanna read that! #kidlitchat
9:25 pm LaFabuliste: @EgmontGal Hoorah! Variance! I wonder if it’s the “gay boys are safe” dynamic that encourages this trend? #kidlitchat
9:25 pm JennBailey: @AuthorTaraKelly Ala Eddie Izzard? #kidlitchat
9:25 pm kcclyburn: @AuthorTaraKelly Same here! #kidlitchat
9:26 pm maggiedana: RT @camoulton: Id love to see something edgy like the Saddle Club meets Gossip Girl. // will get right on it. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm mgbuehrlen: I love getting new followers/connecting with new folks after #kidlitchat. *waves hello!*
9:26 pm LaFabuliste: Whereas a girl with a lesbian friend is a… threat? Worry? Everyone else will think I’m gay, too? #kidlitchat
9:26 pm RebeccAgent: @scott_tracey haven’t read them but aren’t Rainbow Boys gay rom com? #kidlitchat
9:26 pm AuthorTaraKelly: @Travis_Pearson I’ve got the gay friend/same sex in one of my books. I like the dynamic a lot. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm Idaho_Laurie: @RebeccAgent When Tharp gets a voice, he nails it and doesn’t let go. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm KarenCollum: @Georgia_McBride I agree. But in books MC who are good are usually portrayed as the wet blanket unless it’s overtly Christian #kidlitchat
9:26 pm WestviewBooks: RT @chavelaque @dawnmetcalf John Updike in a review: what separates kids’ & adult novels is kids can’t have sex or buy property. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm kcclyburn: @camoulton …So why aren’t you writing it then? #kidlitchat
9:26 pm bonnieadamson: @RuthanneReid No worries–we all write the child we were–or wanted to be. The rest is imagination. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm dawnmetcalf: @AuthorTaraKelly Ah. So transvestite, not transgendered or transsexual. I’ve got a transvestite teen in my upcoming, too. #kidlitchat
9:27 pm dlschubert: @kcclyburn RE: boys experimenting more as well – Maybe, but I’m not sure about that. Would be interesting to find out. #kidlitchat
9:27 pm sarahockler: RT @malindalo: For those interested in an overview of lesbian chars in YA, read this: http://bit.ly/2Fm8Y #kidlitchat
9:27 pm RebeccAgent: also has anyone mention Bermudez Triangle by Maureen Johnston (not really rom com but as YA inc. lesbian characters) #kidlitchat
9:27 pm Travis_Pearson: @AuthorTaraKelly *sigh* Now I have to read your books. ;-) They sound great. #kidlitchat
9:27 pm RebeccAgent: three female friends and two end up being more than friends #kidlitchat
9:28 pm AudryT: Gay friends need to not be perfect or cliche, just like any chara. Compelling, complex, dynamic is true equality in writing. #kidlitchat
9:28 pm RuthanneReid: @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat *grins* Then I guess writing a kid-who-gets-along-better-with-adults is right up my alley, lol. :D
9:28 pm scott_tracey: @RebeccAgent Yup. Three very different gay guys doing the coming of age thing. #kidlitchat
9:28 pm dawnmetcalf: @EgmontGal Oh dear…afraid to go check email now… #kidlitchat
9:28 pm Georgia_McBride: @KarenCollum I think there is a way to do it-unless I was a wet blanket and didn’t know it. #kidlitchat
9:29 pm geesejuggler: @dpeterfreund It depends on the *character* not the gender. I don’t have a pref, as long as it fits the MC’s personality. #kidlitchat
9:29 pm kcclyburn: @dlschubert It’s a big gray area with boys I think–sometimes I think sexuality is becoming fluid, other times, not so much. #kidlitchat
9:29 pm dawnmetcalf: RT @bonnieadamson @RuthanneReid No worries–we all write the child we were–or wanted to be. The rest is imagination. #kidlitchat << !!!
9:29 pm RebeccAgent: @AudryT YES the gay character shouldn’t just be the gay sidekick must be 3d character #kidlitchat
9:29 pm AuthorTaraKelly: @Travis_Pearson It’s called C-Side Tales. Set in Santa Cruz :) #kidlitchat
9:29 pm dawnmetcalf: Another brilliant chat tonight. Thank you #kidlitchat!
9:30 pm RebeccAgent: …who doesn’t exist just to make quips for MC’s benefit #kidlitchat
9:30 pm KarenCollum: @Georgia_McBride I think in real life there is, but seems that in books – esp YA – edgier the better. Good = boring. Not true! #kidlitchat
9:30 pm bonnieadamson: @RuthanneReid Hey, I’m an only child! I lived in books. #kidlitchat
9:30 pm Travis_Pearson: Arg. I NEED to go write my research paper on book censorship now. I have to email it by 12 tonight. See you next week! #kidlitchat
9:31 pm kcclyburn: @Georgie_McBride I like good, “innocent” people in YA! You just have to do it the right way, and not make them too plain. #kidlitchat
9:31 pm LaFabuliste: Where was recent discussion re: edgy? here? child_lit? How edgy means “se.x and drugs” to parents? #kidlitchat
9:31 pm AudryT: I’ve got a “gay friend” in MS and he’s way more than just a generic sidekick. Drives the plot forward. No tokens here, thanks. #kidlitchat
9:32 pm Livingbymypen: RT I agree KarenCollum@Georgia_McBride Good = boring.Not true! #kidlitchat
9:32 pm dlschubert: Night all! Brilliant chat. Thanks to all. #kidlitchat
9:32 pm dpeterfreund: Intrsting answers, guys. Esp. since reviews often paint decided diff. betwn boy who chases (swoonworthy) and a girl (desperate). #kidlitchat
9:32 pm KarenCollum: @Georgia_McBride Maybe those of us writing non-edgy char just need to write them brilliantly so they stand out. #kidlitchat
9:32 pm camoulton: @kcclyburn @maggiedana Not sure it would sell. Have a book outlined based on my experiences but may be VERY incriminating haha! #kidlitchat
9:33 pm RebeccAgent: @audryt of course, I wasn’t pointing the finger at you #kidlitchat
9:33 pm AuthorTaraKelly: Night all, great chat! #kidlitchat
9:33 pm Livingbymypen: RTkcclyburn@Georgie_McBride I like good,”innocent” people in YA!You just have to do it the right way,and not make them too plain #kidlitchat
9:33 pm dpeterfreund: Goes back to @sarahreesbrennan and @justinelavaworm ’s posts on how we read girl and boy characters. #kidlitchat
9:33 pm kcclyburn: @camoulton Pfft, they put that little disclaimer in the books anyway. Write away! #kidlitchat
9:33 pm bonnieadamson: Just realized I have 90 min. to come up with 10th #PIBoIdMo. Eek! Thx to all! Goodnight! #kidlitchat
9:34 pm Georgia_McBride: @KarenCollum I don’t think good doesn’t =edgy. You don’t have to be bad to be edgy. We have to be more creative. #kidlitchat
9:34 pm kehealey: @dpeterfreund I think the most ethical thing to do is to write our way out – provide chasing girl characters as good examples #kidlitchat
9:35 pm LaFabuliste: Read great article lately on how to create convincing “good” guys, re: Jim Halpert from the Office and Will Schuester from #Glee #kidlitchat
9:35 pm kcclyburn: Susane Colasanti is good about writing good characters who are fun and interesting without the sex and stuff. #kidlitchat
9:35 pm Georgia_McBride: @Livingbymypen No one in a story is “innocent.” Everyone has their own story to tell and motivations. If not, cut them. #kidlitchat
9:36 pm LaFabuliste: Oh, but now have no idea where I found it! On twitter somewhere. Oh well. Night, folks #kidlitchat
9:37 pm RebeccAgent: @lafabuliste and Marshall Erickson from HIMYM #kidlitchat
9:37 pm KarenCollum: @Georgia_McBride Think I used wrong word. But ‘good’ char tend not to create controversy in review etc so less buzz perhaps. #kidlitchat
9:37 pm camoulton: @kcclyburn HAHA! True! I worry my friends would kill me in my sleep. It would be so much fun to revisit that period in my life! #kidlitchat
9:38 pm RebeccAgent: don’t create a character for controversy. Your character should come from a more organic place than that! #kidlitchat
9:38 pm Georgia_McBride: Dipped into #kidlitchat way too late. Saucy conversation. Thanks @gregpincus @BonnieAdamson
9:39 pm Livingbymypen: @Georgia_McBride sorry I had to leave for a minute. Your right of course #kidlitchat
9:39 pm Georgia_McBride: @KarenCollum No worries. Totally understood what you meant! #kidlitchat
9:39 pm Georgia_McBride: @LiaKeyes Just dipped in and now, dipping out. Gotta grab some zzzzzz. Talk tomorrow. #kidlitchat
9:40 pm dpeterfreund: @kehealey Great idea! #kidlitchat
9:40 pm kcclyburn: RT @RebeccAgent: dont create a character for controversy. Your character should come from a more organic place than that! #kidlitchat
9:40 pm KarenCollum: @Georgia_McBride I’m just the champion of the goody-two shoes :) (Excuse me while I go shine said shoes…) #kidlitchat
9:40 pm Georgia_McBride: @Livingbymypen Wow. Wonderful. I love being right. :-) #kidlitchat
9:40 pm camoulton: What a great #kidlitchat tonight. So glad I finally made it in time for discussion. I always seem to miss it!
9:41 pm scott_tracey: @camoulton Me too. I choose to blame Melrose Place. #kidlitchat
9:42 pm Georgia_McBride: @KarenCollum You totally just inspired me to write something… #kidlitchat
9:42 pm ChristineTB: Night gang. Have 6 more days (including weekends) of school and library visits. I am tired already. #kidlitchat
9:43 pm KarenCollum: @Georgia_McBride Glad me and my shoes could be of assistance :) Happy writing! #kidlitchat
9:44 pm storyexperiment: Are any writers on this list? http://bit.ly/BE6aS #kidlitchat
9:44 pm LaFabuliste: FOUND IT! Good guys article: http://bit.ly/2L3l9V #kidlitchat
9:45 pm saundramitchell: RT @sarahockler: RT @malindalo: For those interested in an overview of lesbian chars in YA, read this: http://bit.ly/2Fm8Y #kidlitchat
9:45 pm RebeccAgent: ok think it’s time for me to say goodnight. Night. #kidlitchat
9:47 pm scott_tracey: Night everyone. Thanks for the chat. #kidlitchat
9:47 pm gregpincus: Great #kidlitchat – this transcript will be one to read and re-read, imo. (and will be up real soon)

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