Kidlitchat Transcript – May 4

12:59 am bonnieadamson: TOPIC: Submission etiquette, tips and expectations from both sides of the transom. #kidlitchat
1:00 am kellyhashway: Hi, everyone. Great topic tonight. #kidlitchat
1:00 am RebeccAgent: here and happy to answer ?s but no pitches! #kidlitchat
1:00 am bonnieadamson: @debbieohi Hi! #kidlitchat
1:01 am laurielyoung: Hi all! I have to be in and out tonight, but hopefully more in. Great topic! #kidlitchat
1:01 am bonnieadamson: So, who’s submitting? :-) #kidlitchat
1:01 am kayeleenhamblin: Hi every one. #kidlitchat
1:01 am inkyelbows: #kidlitchat on NOW. TOPIC via @bonnieadamson: Submission etiquette, tips & expectations from both sides of the transom.
1:02 am bonnieadamson: @RebeccAgent Welcome–we’ll be good . . . #kidlitchat
1:02 am adamselzer: Don’t go around saying “i had some kids/students read it….” in queries. #kidlitchat
1:02 am MaryBDanielson: Hi everyone! #kidlitchat
1:02 am jennymckmoss: Hi chatters! :) #kidlitchat
1:02 am amyknichols: Hello! :) #kidlitchat
1:02 am debbieohi: I’m submitting through an agent. Used to be snailmail submissions but now many editors seem to prefer e-mail. #kidlitchat
1:03 am KatGirl_Studio: just in time for #kidlitchat phew #kidlitchat
1:03 am amyknichols: Oooh, good topic. #kidlitchat
1:04 am bonnieadamson: Are email queries the thing now? #kidlitchat
1:04 am jennymckmoss: I used mostly e-mail to query agents. Found my agent through a (polite :) ) e-query. #kidlitchat
1:04 am dosankodebbie: RT @inkyelbows: #kidlitchat on NOW. TOPIC via @bonnieadamson: Submission etiquette, tips; expectations from both sides of the transom.
1:04 am dosankodebbie: Okay, I made it. #kidlitchat
1:05 am KatGirl_Studio: I like that alot more agents and publishers are accepting e-submmisions. It’s alot better for the trees. #kidlitchat
1:05 am bonnieadamson: Btw, Greg will be checking in via phone tonight (hopefully). #kidlitchat
1:05 am adamselzer: @bonnieadamson I never, ever, ever sent a query by snail mail ever once in my whole entire life. #kidlitchat
1:05 am kayeleenhamblin: @KatGirl_Studio And for timing. #kidlitchat
1:05 am MichelleDEvans: @KatGirl_Studio yes great for trees and speedy #kidlitchat
1:06 am bonnieadamson: @KatGirl_Studio Are you finding there are good guidelines for equeries? #kidlitchat
1:06 am adamselzer: but every agent has individual guidelines; following them will usually put you in the top 5% of submissions right away. #kidlitchat
1:06 am TrishDoller: @bonnieadamson In the process of finding my agent, I never sent a single snail mail query. #kidlitchat
1:06 am RebeccAgent: is this a slow start or is tweetchat being funky #kidlitchat
1:06 am KatGirl_Studio: most of the submissions for the book I sent out were e-subs. Designed a down-loadable pdf for the book dummy. #kidlitchat
1:06 am UndeadPoets: How goes it everyone? I missed the opening topic(s). What are we discussing? #undeadpoets #kidlitchat
1:06 am bonnieadamson: @adamselzer No snail mail, seriously? I’m surprised–but that’s good. #kidlitchat
1:07 am ReadingVacation: Just sitting back reading your tweets tonight. Interesting to see what you all go through when you write a book. #kidlitchat
1:07 am srjohannes: Hi, guys… Great topic tonight. #kidlitchat
1:07 am nkrell: @bonnieadamson There’s a lot of information out there for querying. #kidlitchat
1:07 am debbieohi: @adamselzer Interesting you’ve never sent a snailmail query. I think I’m a lot older than you. :-D #kidlitchat
1:07 am kayeleenhamblin: @ReadingVacation Hello, girl. nice to see you! #kidlitchat
1:07 am RebeccAgent: no need to snail mail. email subs are just as effective and save paper and stamps #kidlitchat
1:07 am dosankodebbie: Better 4 those of us living overseas too. RT @KatGirl_Studio: Like that more pubs accept e-submmisions. Better for the trees. #kidlitchat
1:08 am Annie_McElfresh: RT @adamselzer: but every agent has individual guidelines; following them will usually put you in the top 5% of submissions right away. #kidlitchat
1:08 am KatGirl_Studio: @bonnieadamson yes one agency even had a notice saying they were only accepting e-subs from now on. #kidlitchat
1:08 am emilytastic: @debbieohi @adamselzer I haven’t sent a snail mail query yet, either. I’m not agented yet, though. #kidlitchat
1:08 am jennymckmoss: Re etiquette: When I switched to e-query from snail, I tried to keep formality of query, despite relative informality of e-mail #kidlitchat
1:08 am EngridE1: Hi everyone! Major mistake – glass of wine w/dinner B4 chat. Gonna b quiet & read your posts :-) #Kidlitchat
1:09 am kellyhashway: I have come across a few agents who still only accept snail mail queries. #kidlitchat
1:09 am bonnieadamson: @RebeccAgent Guidelines are posted, right–as to attachments, etc? #kidlitchat
1:09 am Shelltex: I just researched two very good agents’ guidelines & both still only take snail mail. I think that extra step may weed some. #kidlitchat
1:09 am bonnieadamson: @elanaroth Submission etiquette. :-) #kidlitchat
1:09 am lisagailgreen: “Why oh why do all chats have to be during dinnertime?” she whines #kidlitchat
1:09 am AlysiaPalacios: @RebeccAgent what do agents typically look for? story? writing style? etc? #kidlitchat
1:10 am debbieohi: @emilytastic Back when I wrote more nonfiction, more publications would only accept snailmail queries. #kidlitchat
1:10 am RebeccAgent: yes. No attachments for me unless my assistant or I email back requesting #kidlitchat
1:10 am elanaroth: We’re email only, and we still get some by mail. Those go right in the trash without a look. #kidlitchat
1:10 am bonnieadamson: @lisagailgreen You could just change time zones . . . :-) #kidlitchat
1:10 am jennymckmoss: But many times agents would reply back somewhat chatty, and I’d be like: Oh, no, new quandary: What do I do? ;) #kidlitchat
1:10 am debbieohi: TweetChat seems to be having problems. Took me four tries to get that last message posted. :-( #kidlitchat
1:10 am EngridE1: RT @elanaroth: Were email only, and we still get some by mail. Those go right in the trash without a look. #Kidlitchat
1:11 am elanaroth: No attachments unless I request it. If you send an attachment I didn’t ask for, I send you a form rejection. #kidlitchat
1:11 am ReadingVacation: @kayeleenhamblin Nice to see you too. #kidlitchat
1:11 am bonnieadamson: @jennymckmoss I agree–hard to gauge the right level of formality. #kidlitchat
1:11 am RebeccAgent: In sub I’m looking for intriguing, competent query and strong sample #kidlitchat
1:11 am dosankodebbie: How times do change! RT @elanaroth: We’re email only & we still get some by mail. Those go right in the trash without a look. #kidlitchat
1:11 am KatGirl_Studio: since most pubs and agencies don’t allow attachments I put up a PW protected pdf on my site for them to view instead. #kidlitchat
1:11 am ejtonks: Yeah–so many agents say “no attachments” that the ones who DO take attachments freak me out. I’m scared to death to send them! #kidlitchat
1:11 am timkeetonwriter: @lisagailgreen What? You can’t eat and chat at the same time? I’m taking a nap right now. ;-} #kidlitchat
1:11 am Annie_McElfresh: RT @elanaroth: No attachments unless I request it. If you send an attachment I didn’t ask for, I send you a form rejection. #kidlitchat
1:12 am debbieohi: @Shelltex Agreed. I’ve heard some editors/agents say they request snailmail queries to cut down on the number they receive. #kidlitchat
1:12 am MaricarMac: yay! joining #kidlitchat tonight
1:12 am elanaroth: I just want a really simple email, short in length, to the point, tell me what you have. Don’t mess around. #kidlitchat
1:12 am bonnieadamson: @elanaroth So manuscripts in the body of the message, or not ms. on first pass? #kidlitchat
1:12 am amyknichols: @KatGirl_Studio Good idea. #kidlitchat
1:12 am RebeccAgent: @katgirl_studio good idea for illus and auth/illus I really appreciate a url with samples on site #kidlitchat
1:12 am kayeleenhamblin: @ agents: is submitting synopsis and pages always a good idea? Or no, if not requested in guidelines? #kidlitchat
1:12 am debbieohi: RT @elanaroth: I just want a really simple email, short in length, to the point, tell me what you have. Dont mess around. #kidlitchat
1:13 am dosankodebbie: @KatGirl_Studio I often send links to the sample chapters on my website, but are links just as unwlecome as attachments? #kidlitchat
1:13 am bonnieadamson: @KatGirl_Studio That’s interesting. I’ve had publishers ask for pdf sampless, but each one has been different so far #kidlitchat
1:13 am elanaroth: When I request, I explicitly say “Please send the full manuscript as a Word doc.” Until that, just a letter + sample pages. #kidlitchat
1:13 am AlysiaPalacios: @ReadingVacation imagine walking into a room with a bunch of people talking to you at once and don’t know who to talk to first #kidlitchat
1:13 am adamselzer: I figured that an agent who insisted on snail was probably some old geezer. Obvs. not right for me. #kidlitchat
1:13 am ejtonks: @elanaroth Like the pitch slam you did–when are you going to do that again? It was SO fun to read/follow! #kidlitchat
1:13 am StiletoStrytime: @RebeccAgent How long of a sample do you look for say in a middle grade book? #kidlitchat
1:13 am debbieohi: RT @elanaroth: No attachments unless I request it. If you send an attachment I didnt ask for, I send you a form rejection. #kidlitchat
1:13 am timkeetonwriter: @elanaroth @RebeccAgent (and others) Good info, thx. #kidlitchat
1:13 am bonnieadamson: RT @RebeccAgent: @katgirl_studio good idea for illus and auth/illus I really appreciate a url with samples on site #kidlitchat
1:13 am elanaroth: @kayeleenhamblin Check the guidelines. I ask for 3-5 samples pages IN THE BODY of the email. We’re all different. #kidlitchat
1:14 am JessicaLeader: Agent Nathan Bransford had great feature last week asking rdrs to choose 1 of 5 queries. sharpened my skills! http://ow.ly/1H3rM #kidlitchat
1:14 am RebeccAgent: @katellehamblin I give the option to send pages and synopsis, so I’m suspicious when submitters don’t take advantage. send max #kidlitchat
1:14 am franklyj: What about formatting issues? Are these a big deal? #kidlitchat
1:14 am elanaroth: This is like the easiest thing in the world, guys. If you found my email, you should have found our sub guidelines. #kidlitchat
1:14 am debbieohi: @adamselzer Hey, are you calling me an old geezer, too? :-D #kidlitchat
1:14 am RebeccAgent: 10 page sample for novel. Can go JUST above to finish chapter/scene #kidlitchat
1:14 am Annie_McElfresh: RT @adamselzer: I figured that an agent who insisted on snail was probably some old geezer. Obvs. not right for me. #kidlitchat
1:14 am mciddangelo: @elanaroth unfortunately, there is no standard norm for literary agents to receive over-the-transom queries or proposals. #Kidlitchat
1:15 am elanaroth: @franklyj Just keep formatting simple. For letter, don’t indent, but put spaces in btwn paragraphs. #kidlitchat
1:15 am adamselzer: @debbieohi Well, YOU don’t insist on snail mail only, do you? #kidlitchat
1:15 am RebeccAgent: sometimes formatting can’t be helped if you are pasting into body of email which I understand since I forbid attachments #kidlitchat
1:15 am StiletoStrytime: This is so interesting since my experience so far has been so different than this conversation describes…#kidlitchat
1:15 am elanaroth: @mciddangelo So what? If you’re going to the length to find me, you should know what I want. No excuses. We’re so clear. #kidlitchat
1:15 am j_ro333: #kidlitchat Every agent has different requests for subs.Just READ what it says and their website and you have a leg up on 85% of competition
1:15 am Shelltex: RT @elanaroth: @kayeleenhamblin Check the guidelines. I ask for 3-5 samples pages IN THE BODY of the email. We’re all different. #kidlitchat
1:15 am bonnieadamson: @adamselzer You young whippersnappers . . . #kidlitchat
1:15 am MaricarMac: for live pitches, when agent/editor asks for novel in one sentence, is that plot or premise? #kidlitchat
1:15 am debbieohi: @adamselzer No. But I remember the days of snailmail-only. :-) #kidlitchat
1:16 am adamselzer: I pictured some bald dude in a bow tie saying “I don’t believe in..what are they? Electric queries? Bah, scrimshaw!” #kidlitchat
1:16 am amyknichols: @RebeccAgent And messed up formatting doesn’t taint your reading of the sample? #kidlitchat
1:16 am elanaroth: @MaricarMac Premise with a splash of plot. #kidlitchat
1:16 am SheviStories: How do you write the title of your manuscript in an email submission? All caps? #kidlitchat
1:16 am bonnieadamson: RT @amyknichols: @RebeccAgent And messed up formatting doesnt taint your reading of the sample?< my ? too #kidlitchat
1:16 am debbieohi: @adamselzer I still have a pile of old U.S. stamps left over from when publishers required SASEs. #kidlitchat
1:16 am elanaroth: I can forgive some formatting. Some though is so obviously just ill-thought out. #kidlitchat
1:16 am RebeccAgent: @jimsissy yes, glee is on I’m dvring. NO SPOILERS. will leave to watch at 10 #kidlitchat
1:16 am carolgrannick: RT @elanaroth: @MaricarMac Premise with a splash of plot. #kidlitchat
1:17 am adamselzer: (this was starting around 2001-2) #kidlitchat
1:17 am ejtonks: @elanaroth Like white space, right? I always try to leave enough white space to fix formatting change . . . #kidlitchat
1:17 am RebeccAgent: @amyknichols I can tell when it’s b/c of cut and paste and when someone sent off something sloppily #kidlitchat
1:17 am 4KidLit: RT @RebeccAgent: @katellehamblin I give the option to send pages and synopsis, so I’m suspicious when submitters don’t take advantage. send max #kidlitchat
1:17 am Shelltex: @debbieohi Same here. Makes sense since email is so much easier to fire off. #kidlitchat
1:17 am emilytastic: @debbieohi @adamselzer A lot of literary journals still require postal submissions. I’ve done a TON of those! #kidlitchat
1:17 am franklyj: @RebeccAgent Thanks Rebecca. (re: formatting) #kidlitchat
1:17 am amyknichols: @RebeccAgent I read “dvring” as “driving” and kind of freaked out a little. #kidlitchat
1:17 am carolgrannick: @elanaroth @RebeccAgent Re: novel in verse, double-space verse? #kidlitchat
1:18 am 4KidLit: RT @elanaroth: I just want a really simple email, short in length, to the point, tell me what you have. Don’t mess around. #kidlitchat
1:18 am adamselzer: By then, such conservative dunder-headiness was indicative of an agent who probably wouldn’t get me. #kidlitchat
1:18 am amyknichols: @RebeccAgent OK. That’s good to know (re: formatting). Thanks. #kidlitchat
1:18 am elanaroth: @carolgrannick I don’t do novels in verse, so I’m not the best person to ask. #kidlitchat
1:18 am mciddangelo: @elanaroth some of us professional writers are just as confused submitting one market to another #kidlitchat (or is that “we”?)
1:18 am debbieohi: @Shelltex Agreed! Though of course an e-mail query needs to be every bit as professional as a snailmail query. #kidlitchat
1:18 am franklyj: @elanaroth Thanks Elana. (re: formatting) #kidlitchat
1:19 am RebeccAgent: @amyknicols I don’t drive period. not while tweeting or chatting or distraction free with hands at 10 and 2 #kidlitchat
1:19 am adamselzer: Plenty still wanted manuscripts in hard copy, which is understandable, but snail queries? Comtemporize, mannnn! #kidlitchat
1:19 am ejtonks: @emilytastic Lit journals, academia-they prefer the stone age to anything even remotely modern (I know-I’m in grad school, LOL!) #kidlitchat
1:19 am SheviStories: How short is short for a query/cover letter? Is 500 words okay? 400? Pitch, brief synopsis…what about relevant experience? #kidlitchat
1:19 am elanaroth: @mciddangelo Again…so what? If you’re doing research, you will get the answers. Adult/children/whatever. We post it. #kidlitchat
1:19 am RebeccAgent: novel in verse might be a time when you choose to snail mail #kidlitchat
1:19 am debbieohi: @emilytastic I hadn’t realized that most literary journals still require snailmail. To cut down on # submissions, perhaps? #kidlitchat
1:19 am MaricarMac: @elanaroth good to know re: premise + plot. thanks. #kidlitchat
1:20 am SheviStories: Writers House still takes snail-mail queries. #kidlitchat
1:20 am amyknichols: @RebeccAgent LOL! Excellent. #kidlitchat
1:20 am vnnichols: @adamselzer: scrimshaw? lol. #kidlitchat
1:20 am dosankodebbie: @debbieohi: @adamselzer I’ve been submitting manuscripts from Japan to US since 1980. Have long-awaited this e-query age. #kidlitchat
1:20 am Shelltex: @adamselzer Adam, I’d like to know how you feel about snail mail queries. And bow ties. #kidlitchat
1:20 am jennymckmoss: Q for Agents: If writer gets offer from another agent while you’re reading her ms, what is correct etiquette? #kidlitchat
1:20 am timkeetonwriter: LOL! RT @adamselzer: By then, such conservative dunder-headiness was indicative of an agent who probably wouldnt get me. #kidlitchat
1:21 am mciddangelo: @elanaroth I guess you have a point. #kidlitchat
1:21 am debbieohi: @dosankodebbie @adamselzer E-queries makes it much easier for me to submit internationally (to U.S.!) as well. :-) #kidlitchat
1:21 am dosankodebbie: @ejtonks I got two stories in World Literature Today several years back that was all done by email. So pleasant. #kidlitchat
1:21 am adamselzer: @Shelltex Well, bow ties are cool NOW. The eleventh doctor has decreed it so. #kidlitchat
1:21 am RebeccAgent: @shevistories most agents at WH accept snail or email inc me #kidlitchat
1:21 am SheviStories: What does a writer-illustrator do with an illustrated MG? Post chapters online and include link in query? #kidlitchat
1:21 am elanaroth: @jennymckmoss Email me immediately and inform me of offer, and give me a couple of days to read and decide also. #kidlitchat
1:22 am amyknichols: @debbieohi I’ve noticed that, too, about lit journals. I find it frustrating. Makes me second guess submitting to snail-mailers. #kidlitchat
1:22 am franklyj: The tweets of agents on querying mistakes amaze me. They provide so much information–how can you possibly get it wrong? #kidlitchat
1:22 am RebeccAgent: @jennymckmoss THE BIG Q. You must let all agents sub to know about offer #kidlitchat
1:22 am elanaroth: @mciddangelo “It’s too hard” is just an excuse. I get too many queries for excuses. #kidlitchat
1:22 am RebeccAgent: and give them adequate time to read and respond #kidlitchat
1:22 am elanaroth: @franklyj People are LAZY and don’t PAY ATTENTION. #kidlitchat
1:22 am amyknichols: @jennymckmoss Are you sharing my brain? You’re asking all the questions I have. :) #kidlitchat
1:22 am jennymckmoss: @elanaroth @RebeccAgent Thx – now what if you’re the offering agent? What do you expect of writer? #kidlitchat
1:23 am debbieohi: @amyknichols Perhaps lit journals don’t have the manpower to handle all the e-queries? #kidlitchat
1:23 am suzannelilly: How long should one wait before sending gentle followup to a request for a partial? 2 weeks past stated reading time? #kidlitchat
1:23 am jennymckmoss: @amyknichols *nods* You can’t have it tonight. Brain is all mine. :) #kidlitchat
1:23 am elanaroth: @jennymckmoss When I offer first, I tell the writers that I hope they pick me, but to inform everyone. I’d expect the same. #kidlitchat
1:24 am kellyhashway: If an agent requests a full and signs the email with their first name, should we address them by first name or stick to Ms…? #kidlitchat
1:24 am RebeccAgent: same thing, I expect honesty #kidlitchat
1:24 am StiletoStrytime: If you already have an agent from one of the top NY agencies wanting to represent you…should you keep looking at other agents? #kidlitchat
1:24 am amyknichols: @debbieohi I would think being inundated with paper would make that worse. At least the clutter is virtual. o_O #kidlitchat
1:24 am ALGFaithKeeper: Hi!!!!! #kidlitchat
1:24 am RebeccAgent: for writer to not keep me hanging and let me know if they get other offers #kidlitchat
1:24 am elanaroth: @kellyhashway If I use my first name, I am giving you permission to use it also :) I hate being called Ms. Roth. #kidlitchat
1:24 am debbieohi: @franklyj Agreed re: value of tweets by lit agents. Yet another reason for writers to be on Twitter! #kidlitchat
1:24 am amyknichols: @jennymckmoss LOL!! OK, fine. Be that way. #kidlitchat
1:24 am RebeccAgent: I want writer to ask any questions they have of me. Not choose someone else b/c they were hesitant to ask ?s #kidlitchat
1:25 am SheviStories: What’s the right number of queries to send out at one time if you have a list of 100 suitable agents? 5? 10? Or perhaps more? #kidlitchat
1:25 am elanaroth: If I offer first, I will also set a date with the author for them to get back to me. Sometimes a week, depends on other players. #kidlitchat
1:25 am adamselzer: When in doubt about what name/title to use, just open with a friendly “hello!” #kidlitchat
1:25 am RebeccAgent: there’s a list of 100 suitable agents? Shoot me #kidlitchat
1:26 am suzannelilly: @RebeccAgent Open communication starts with the first contact. #kidlitchat
1:26 am mciddangelo: @elanaroth you’re right. I was just jawing. :) #kidlitchat
1:26 am elanaroth: I also talk to potential clients for an hour, let them ask Qs, I ask them Qs. Make sure it works. #kidlitchat
1:26 am bonnieadamson: RT @adamselzer: When in doubt about what name/title to use, just open with a friendly “hello!” #kidlitchat
1:26 am ejtonks: @SheviStories Rachel Gardner’s blog has a good formula for that: after 15 rejections (no ms requests) revise query. #kidlitchat
1:26 am RebeccAgent: I don’t put a limit on when writer can be back to me. It’s a career long decision and I want writer to feel they made rt choice #kidlitchat
1:26 am kellyhashway: @elanaroth Thanks. Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t unprofessional. #kidlitchat
1:27 am franklyj: @elanaroth Amazing. I mean, the info is all there and this might be your one shot. Do it right. #notrocketscience. :) #kidlitchat
1:27 am 4KidLit: Laughing: RT @RebeccAgent: novel in verse might be a time when you choose to snail mail #kidlitchat
1:27 am SheviStories: LOL! Yes, check “YA” at agentquery.com RT @RebeccAgent: theres a list of 100 suitable agents? Shoot me #kidlitchat
1:27 am adamselzer: Or, if it’s a follow-up, a friendly “Thanks!” (this from a guy who is awful at names and has learned to cover) #kidlitchat
1:27 am ejtonks: @SheviStories . . . after 10 ms rejects, you revise the ms. Her formula has worked well for me–my # of ms requests is now up! #kidlitchat
1:27 am elanaroth: I’m pretty flexible when I offer. I want the author to be comfortable, and do what’s best for them. #kidlitchat
1:27 am bonnieadamson: @ejtonks @SheviStories Gee, after 15 rejections, I wouldn’t have any agents left on my list! #kidlitchat
1:27 am AuthoressAnon: @RebeccAgent Writers House has MANY agents. Are you all “no response=no” and if so, what’s the waiting time btwn q-ing agents? #kidlitchat
1:28 am RebeccAgent: I think it’s important to narrow the pack beyond Who Reps YA when submitting #kidlitchat
1:28 am elanaroth: @kellyhashway Nope. On occasion I’ve had to say “Please call me Elana.” #kidlitchat
1:28 am ejtonks: @bonnieadamson After joining Writer’s market and Publisher’s marketplace, I’ve found over 100 GREAT agents in my genre! #kidlitchat
1:28 am debbieohi: RT @RebeccAgent: I think its important to narrow the pack beyond Who Reps YA when submitting #kidlitchat
1:28 am SheviStories: @ejtonks That wasn’t the question. I sent out 10, got requests for 3 fulls & 1 partial. Waiting 3+ months. So do I send more? #kidlitchat
1:29 am HeatherMcCorkle: @SheviStories I’d say 5 or 10 is good & keep that many out, once you get a rejection send another until you get full requests. #kidlitchat
1:29 am ejtonks: @bonnieadamson . . . too many writers only look online, methinks. They query only agents w/ blogs, Twitter, the uber-visible… #kidlitchat
1:29 am RebeccAgent: @authoressanon no means no unless email/ltr explicitly says I would take another look if revised or would like to see other work #kidlitchat
1:29 am ejtonks: @bonnieadamson . . . but a lot of great agents don’t have blogs or Twitter yet, so you need PM or WM to find them! #kidlitchat
1:29 am dosankodebbie: @elanaroth Do pubs automatically eliminate translated works b’cuz it means having to deal w/both author & translator? (my exper) #kidlitchat
1:29 am RebeccAgent: if you wanna try to query another WH you must say in query, I have already submitted to your colleague X #kidlitchat
1:30 am KOrtizzle: late but here…topic? #kidlitchat
1:30 am AuthoressAnon: @RebeccAgent To clarify, I meant on initial queries. As in, does no response mean no, or do you all respond with forms? #kidlitchat
1:30 am bonnieadamson: @ejtonks I’m sure that’s a good point–I subscribe, too. I just don’t feel a connection with that many, I guess. #kidlitchat
1:30 am ejtonks: @SheviStories According to Rachel Gardner’s formula, yes. If ms hasn’t been rejected at least 10 times, you keep querying! #kidlitchat
1:30 am CateHart: kidlitchat is happening #kidlitchat
1:30 am bonnieadamson: @KOrtizzle TOPIC: Submission etiquette, tips and expectations from both sides of the transom. #kidlitchat #kidlitchat
1:30 am StiletoStrytime: @HeatherMcCorkle Just a note thanks for the hugs earlier today…it went very well!! #kidlitchat
1:31 am ejtonks: @KOrtizzle Queries!! #kidlitchat
1:31 am RebeccAgent: do not send to another at WH simultaneously or before you have received answer from 1st sub’ed to. BIG NO #kidlitchat
1:31 am KOrtizzle: @bonnieadamson thanks! #kidlitchat
1:31 am CateHart: RT @RebeccAgent: if you wanna try to query another WH you must say in query, I have already submitted to your colleague X #kidlitchat
1:31 am peg366: I’m in and out tonight. Hello all. #kidlitchat
1:31 am SheviStories: But it’s only been rejected once. So…?RT @ejtonks: If ms hasnt been rejected at least 10 times, you keep querying! #kidlitchat
1:31 am VBTremper: @suzannelilly Did anyone answer your question about how long before status query after requested partial? #kidlitchat
1:31 am kierahjreilly: if you make offer, then writer says “I’ve made massive revision, will you read that one instead” does that make you mad? #kidlitchat
1:31 am elanaroth: @dosankodebbie I don’t know. I’ve never dealt with that. #kidlitchat
1:32 am bonnieadamson: @peg366 Hi, Peg. :-) #kidlitchat
1:32 am ImFreckles: RT @RebeccAgent: if you wanna try to query another WH you must say in query, I have already submitted to your colleague X #kidlitchat
1:32 am pippinmathur: @bonnieadamson I’m late and the topic couldn’t be better for me #kidlitchat
1:32 am HeatherMcCorkle: @StiletoStrytime I’d say it depends if you feel that’s the right agent for you or not. #kidlitchat
1:32 am auntieflamingo: Hello everyone. I’ve been here for a while just reading along. Great questions and answers. #kidlitchat
1:32 am ejtonks: @SheviStories keep querying the same ms. That ms doesn’t need revision unless at least a dozen agents have passed, sez Gardner #kidlitchat
1:32 am suzannelilly: @VBTremper Not yet. Hi there! #kidlitchat
1:32 am bonnieadamson: @pippinmathur Jump on in! #kidlitchat
1:33 am heatherhowland: RT @RebeccAgent: if you want to query another WH you must say in query, I have already submitted to your colleague X #kidlitchat
1:33 am VBTremper: @suzannelilly Hi back! Glad to “see” you. #kidlitchat
1:34 am bonnieadamson: Does anyone require exclusives any more? #kidlitchat
1:34 am RebeccAgent: which is one example of the #1 rule in submission and future work w/agent Honesty is the only policy #kidlitchat
1:34 am Shelltex: An agent may rep YA but not fantasy or not want contemporary, etc. Def need to research more for specifics beyond YA tag. #kidlitchat
1:34 am KOrtizzle: @bonnieadamson there are agents out there who do. I don’t. #kidlitchat
1:34 am kellyhashway: @bonnieadamson I’ve come across more than a few who ask for it if they request a full. #kidlitchat
1:35 am RebeccAgent: I don’t require an exclusive, but I do require you tell in query that you are submitting multiply and let me know about offer… #kidlitchat
1:35 am peg366: RT @RebeccAgent: which is one example of the #1 rule in submission and future work w/agent Honesty is the only policy #kidlitchat
1:35 am jennymckmoss: @bonnieadamson When I was last querying agents (2006), I was asked for exclusives. #kidlitchat
1:35 am SheviStories: Read chances of a requested full accepted about 1:10. Been waiting 3 months to hear back on 3 fulls, so…wait? Query more? #kidlitchat
1:35 am RebeccAgent: …and give me time to throw hat in ring and consider all agents fairly. Exclusivity is way author not following these rules #kidlitchat
1:36 am bonnieadamson: With exclusives, time becomes critical–what is reasonable these days? #kidlitchat
1:36 am heatherhowland: @KOrtizzle My 4 yo is sitting here w/ me. He freaked out when he saw your avatar. BIG dinosaur phase going around here! #kidlitchat
1:36 am franklyj: Do people really query every agent in an agency? Why? Not every agent will be a good fit. #kidlitchat
1:36 am ejtonks: @bonnieadamson I subbed an exclusive that took longer than 6 mos, so I had to revoke exclusivity today after other req’s came in #kidlitchat
1:36 am KOrtizzle: @heatherhowland LOL it’s @Jaime_Reed‘s fault I have this avatar :) but I’m a fan #kidlitchat
1:36 am mitaliperkins: I hear that editors aren’t offering contracts on partial manuscripts these days, even for established authors. Is that right? #kidlitchat
1:37 am RebeccAgent: remember not reading quickly doesn’t mean ignoring sub, it means putting my clients 1st which any potential client should want #kidlitchat
1:37 am KOrtizzle: @franklyj I get USPS queries addressed to not only current agents, but agents who haven’t been with us in 5+ years. In bulk. #kidlitchat
1:37 am Julie_Weathers: @RebeccAgent You want to know that an author is querying more than one agent? #kidlitchat
1:37 am KOrtizzle: RT @RebeccAgent: not reading quickly doesnt mean ignoring sub, it means putting my clients 1st. any potential client should want #kidlitchat
1:38 am RebeccAgent: @mitaliperkins it’s very hard to sell on partial to new publisher, even for author previously pub’ed elsewhere #kidlitchat
1:38 am ejtonks: @RebeccAgent how long is too long to wait to hear back on an exclusive sub, then? I waited 6+ months & gave up . . . #kidlitchat
1:38 am AuthoressAnon: Agents, what is your average response time on initial queries? Or are you no-response? How many weeks= “silent no”? #kidlitchat
1:38 am literaticat: I’m getting on a plane. Zoom! Should I do #kidlitchat in the sky?
1:38 am RebeccAgent: @julie_weathers YES you must say in query that you are submitting to multiple agents #kidlitchat
1:38 am elanaroth: @mitaliperkins I’ve sold but one project on proposal. The rest…fulls. #kidlitchat
1:38 am jennymckmoss: @ejtonks Good idea to always ask for a time limit for exclusives, I think – I did run into probs now & then if I didn’t ask #kidlitchat
1:38 am adamselzer: @literaticat YES! #kidlitchat
1:39 am RebeccAgent: @etonks can’t say b/c I don’t require exclusive #kidlitchat
1:39 am KOrtizzle: @AuthoressAnon I always respond. If you don’t hear from our agency within 8 wks, we didn’t get it or you gave the wrong email #kidlitchat
1:39 am ejtonks: @literaticat Please do! :) #kidlitchat
1:39 am bonnieadamson: @literaticat Why not? Discussing submission etiquette . . . #kidlitchat
1:39 am pippinmathur: Re: resubmitting different work to the same agent. My expierence has been, if they want to see it, they’ll let you know #kidlitchat
1:39 am debbieohi: RT @elanaroth: @mitaliperkins I’ve sold but one project on proposal. The rest…fulls. #kidlitchat
1:39 am AuthoressAnon: @KOrtizzle One of the many reasons you sparkle with awesome. ;) #kidlitchat
1:39 am yeah_write: Can you? Do kidlit I mean. RT @literaticat: I’m getting on a plane. Zoom! Should I do #kidlitchat in the sky?
1:39 am amyknichols: @RebeccAgent Do you think most agents feel that way about simultaneous queries? Want it stated in letter? #kidlitchat
1:40 am dosankodebbie: RT @literaticat: I’m getting on a plane. Zoom! Should I do #kidlitchat in the sky?<<< not if you’re the pilot : )
1:40 am pippinmathur: @literaticat it would increase your awesome factor #kidlitchat
1:40 am RebeccAgent: @amyknichols can’t speak for all agents, but why would you withhold that info. Be upfront #kidlitchat
1:40 am ejtonks: @amyknichols one agent complained about using disclaimer on Twitter. Said “Duh–we just *assume* all queries are multiples!” #kidlitchat
1:41 am kellyhashway: I seen agents who state that they assume you are querying multiple agents unless you specify it’s exclusive. #kidlitchat
1:41 am elanaroth: @RebeccAgent See…I assume they are querying other agents and don’t need to say it. #kidlitchat
1:41 am SheviStories: Go impression most assume queries are simultaneous. RT @amyknichols:…about simultaneous queries? Want it stated in letter? #kidlitchat
1:42 am RebeccAgent: don’t make me assume. It’s a great sign that you are being transparent and know to follow up should there be offer elsewhere #kidlitchat
1:42 am kellyhashway: All the more reason to read submission guidelines! #kidlitchat
1:42 am franklyj: @KOrtizzle Really? And that doesn’t impress you? LOL #idontgetit #kidlitchat
1:42 am SheviStories: Got impression most assume queries are simultaneous. RT @amyknichols:…about simultaneous queries? Want it stated in letter? #kidlitchat
1:42 am jennymckmoss: I want a kidlitchat where agents ask editors questions and authors get to listen in. ;) #kidlitchat
1:42 am AuthoressAnon: And I assume they assume: RT @elanaroth @RebeccAgent See…I assume they are querying other agents and don’t need to say it. #kidlitchat
1:43 am RebeccAgent: I always state it in submission to editors. Doesn’t take up much room in query. If I can, you can #kidlitchat
1:43 am debbieohi: RT @jennymckmoss: I want a kidlitchat where agents ask editors questions and authors get to listen in. ;) #kidlitchat
1:43 am MichelleDEvans: me too RT @jennymckmoss: I want a kidlitchat where agents ask editors questions and authors get to listen in. ;) #kidlitchat
1:43 am Shelltex: SAme here. I’ve seen many agents say they assume it’s simultaneous. #kidlitchat
1:44 am bonnieadamson: @jennymckmoss Oooh. That’s a thought. :-D #kidlitchat
1:44 am lisagailgreen: Brilliant! RT @jennymckmoss: I want a kidlitchat where agents ask editors questions and authors get to listen in. ;) #kidlitchat
1:44 am SheviStories: If someone is an experienced journalist, should that be mentioned in the query letter? Also contests won? #kidlitchat
1:44 am ScottNoir: RT @debbieohi RT @jennymckmoss: I want a kidlitchat where agents ask editors questions and authors get to listen in. ;) #kidlitchat <<< Yes!
1:44 am kierahjreilly: @RebeccAgent if you make offer, then writer says “I’ve made massive revision I feel strongly about” does that make you mad? #kidlitchat
1:44 am amyknichols: Interesting yes/no on the assuming multiple subs. I like @RebeccAgent‘s point about transparency. #kidlitchat
1:44 am RebeccAgent: ok people, I might be an agent freeak. Just write the line for me. Cool? Now let’s move on. #kidlitchat
1:44 am AuthoressAnon: @RebeccAgent But seriously, how many writers do you srsly think query ONLY ONE AGENT at a time? We’d all die of old age. :P #kidlitchat
1:45 am heatherhowland: @KOrtizzle @elanaroth If you have ms in rev & resub stage w/ agent (no offer) and receive more requests, what should you do? #kidlitchat
1:45 am amyknichols: @jennymckmoss Great idea. #kidlitchat
1:45 am kellyhashway: How important are previous publishing credits? Magazines, etc? Do they make a difference in a query? #kidlitchat
1:45 am SheviStories: LOL! Did that in ’90s! RT @AuthoressAnon: @RebeccAgent think query ONLY ONE AGENT at a time? We’d all die of old age. :P #kidlitchat
1:45 am amyknichols: @kierahjreilly Did you keep a copy of the previous MS, unrevised? #kidlitchat
1:45 am CaseyTolfree: @AuthoressAnon I only query on agent at a time because that’s usually what they ask you to do. #kidlitchat
1:46 am michellesussman: RT @kellyhashway: How important are previous publishing credits? Magazines, etc? Do they make a difference in a query? #Kidlitchat
1:46 am peg366: RT @kellyhashway: How important are previous publishing credits? Magazines, etc? Do they make a difference in a query?Good ? #kidlitchat
1:46 am RebeccAgent: @kierahjreilly why send out when you know you can still make massive revisions on your own? Shouldn’t submit at that pt #kidlitchat
1:46 am heatherhowland: @RebeccAgent You’re not a freak… LOL #kidlitchat
1:46 am ejtonks: Q for agents: What about contests? I’m #1 in a publisher’s writing contest right now. Can I tout that in query, or is that lame? #kidlitchat
1:47 am AuthoressAnon: @caseytolfree Only agents who work AT THE SAME AGENCY. Otherwise, simultaneous querying is common and expected. #kidlitchat
1:47 am pippinmathur: How much had the current economy affected your offers? Dramatically? Hardly? #kidlitchat
1:47 am CaseyTolfree: been up since 5 a.m. please forgive my spelling error. #kidlitchat
1:47 am heatherhowland: Love the idea! RT @jennymckmoss: I want a kidlitchat where agents ask editors questions and authors get to listen in. ;) #kidlitchat
1:47 am suzannelilly: If an agent requests a partial, how long after his stated reading time should 1 wait to send a follow up? What’s the nicest way? #kidlitchat
1:48 am KOrtizzle: @heatherhowland Unless it’s exclusive, go ahead and send them your MS they asked for. but make sure the agent knows #kidlitchat
1:48 am RebeccAgent: @suzannelilly the only reason to send follow up is if you have interest or offer elsewhere #kidlitchat
1:48 am CaseyTolfree: @AuthoressAnon but multiple no’s all at the same time would hurt my soul too much… i like my rejection over time #kidlitchat
1:49 am AuthoressAnon: @KathleenMacIver Well, yeah. I have never written it and don’t intend to start. ;P #kidlitchat
1:49 am amyknichols: With all the self-publishing talk of late, what would you think of an author who queries fiction MSS and self-pubs nonfic work? #kidlitchat
1:50 am StiletoStrytime: @HeatherMcCorkle Sent you a DM of answer to question #kidlitchat
1:50 am amyknichols: (Not that I’m doing that. Just curious.) #kidlitchat
1:50 am AuthoressAnon: @caseytolfree I encourage you to rethink that. And grow a much, much tougher skin around your soul. :) #kidlitchat
1:50 am ejtonks: @CaseyTolfree Don’t worry–I commit spelling errors all hours of the day. We hyper typists are like that! :) #kidlitchat
1:51 am bonnieadamson: @amyknichols You think self-pubbing in one genre would hurt chances in another? #kidlitchat
1:51 am StiletoStrytime: @RebeccAgent If you have an offer from a great agent…should you go with it or still keep looking? #kidlitchat
1:51 am KOrtizzle: @StiletoStrytime if it’s a great agent for YOU and your work, then why keep looking? #kidlitchat
1:52 am RebeccAgent: @stiletostrytime you shouldn’t send out queries anew, but should wait to hear from all currently w/sub… #kidlitchat
1:52 am franklyj: @StiletoStrytime Why would you keep looking if you have an offer from a great agent? #kidlitchat
1:53 am RebeccAgent: if you know before round there is one agent you want more than others, you should sub to them exclusive & let them know in ltr #kidlitchat
1:53 am StackedBlog: RT @mitaliperkins: I hear that editors aren’t offering contracts on partial manuscripts these days, even for established authors. Is that right? #kidlitchat
1:53 am amyknichols: @bonnieadamson I don’t know. And not sure how agents would react to that. *shrug* #kidlitchat
1:53 am franklyj: @AuthoressAnon I’ve said it before–I don’t mind rejections. They mean somebody’s reading. :) #kidlitchat
1:53 am MaricarMac: I wonder if there will ever be a time when queries will be via Twitter. :) #kidlitchat
1:53 am pippinmathur: @StiletoStrytime probably not that great if you have that question ;) #kidlitchat
1:53 am StiletoStrytime: @RebeccAgent What if you only queried directly to the one agent via a writer/mentor? So you have no other queries out? #kidlitchat
1:54 am CaseyTolfree: What happens if you have a YA novel but your more recent work is general fiction…will one agent represent all our your work? #kidlitchat
1:54 am AuthoressAnon: @franklyj NOTHING builds character quite like the writerly journey! :D #kidlitchat
1:54 am RebeccAgent: @stiletostrytime if the person seems like a match for you no need to keep looking, in my opinion #kidlitchat
1:54 am CaseyTolfree: I’m in an MFA program so I’ve turned to a more adult literary trend, but YA is still my favorite #kidlitchat
1:55 am StiletoStrytime: @franklyj I am just new to the process and I know a lot of writers who said yes to the first but later changed or wasn’t happy #kidlitchat
1:55 am lisagailgreen: now that would be hard to fit…RT @MaricarMac: I wonder if there will ever be a time when queries will be via Twitter. :) #kidlitchat
1:55 am RebeccAgent: @WH we go by the motto, we don’t rep the book, we rep the writer– across genre/age #kidlitchat
1:55 am suzannelilly: That would be condensed pitching! RT @MaricarMac: I wonder if there will ever be a time when queries will be via Twitter. :) #kidlitchat
1:56 am bonnieadamson: RT @RebeccAgent: @WH we go by the motto, we dont rep the book, we rep the writer– across genre/age #kidlitchat
1:56 am StiletoStrytime: @pippinmathur No actually that’s the problem…she’s almost too good to be true and being new to all this…makes me wonder =) #kidlitchat
1:56 am StiletoStrytime: @RebeccAgent Thanks! #kidlitchat
1:56 am KOrtizzle: @StiletoStrytime that’s why you should query only those who you feel would be a good fit. Not just bc they rep your genre :) #kidlitchat
1:56 am heatherhowland: Excellent info (and policy)! RT @RebeccAgent: @WH we go by the motto, we dont rep the book, we rep the writer– across genre/age #kidlitchat
1:57 am VBTremper: @StiletoStrytime Ask her for client referrals. #kidlitchat
1:57 am skodobah: I spaced and missed the outset of #kidlitchat. Too much work to do!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAA!
1:57 am franklyj: @StiletoStrytime If the agent is a good fit for you and your work. comes with a good reputation and loves your work- go for it. #kidlitchat
1:58 am heatherhowland: @KOrtizzle Thanks for the rev & resub answer! Thinking, wow… what happens if I get another revision letter? LOL #kidlitchat
1:58 am StiletoStrytime: @VBTremper she was actuallly an editor for one of my good friend’s series a few years ago so I know she’s credible. #kidlitchat
1:58 am pippinmathur: @StiletoStrytime I’ve been in your shoes. Wasn’t sure and ended up parting ways, it was v friendly if doubt is major, don’t. #kidlitchat
1:59 am MichelleDEvans: OK that was fun…#kidlitchat… now must call the kids back in for more #homeschool
1:59 am uppington: Wow. This isn’t assumed? RT @RebeccAgent: @julie_weathers YES you must say in query that you are submitting to multiple agents #kidlitchat
1:59 am StiletoStrytime: @franklyj Thanks…what I needed to hear! #kidlitchat
1:59 am CaseyTolfree: when and how often are these chats? I need to schedule them into my nights #kidlitchat
2:00 am bonnieadamson: @CaseyTolfree Every Tuesday, 9 pm Eastern #kidlitchat
2:00 am mitaliperkins: @elanaroth What made the one partial that you sold stand out? Why did it sell vs. the others? #kidlitchat
2:00 am franklyj: @StiletoStrytime No problem! Congratulations and good luck. :) #kidlitchat
2:00 am heatherhowland: @KOrtizzle Okay, so what about if I’ve finished a 2nd ms while in rev/resub process w/ 1st? #kidlitchat
2:00 am StiletoStrytime: RT @mitaliperkins: @elanaroth What made the one partial that you sold stand out? Why did it sell vs. the others? #kidlitchat
2:01 am mitaliperkins: @RebeccAgent So is it easier to sell on partial to the publisher of an author’s previous book? Does that happen a lot? #kidlitchat
2:02 am Julie_Weathers: @uppington #kidlitchat Yes, I thought most agents just assumed the query was going to multiple agents.
2:02 am RebeccAgent: @mitaliperkins if there is an option often says outline and three samples #kidlitchat
2:03 am VBTremper: Thanks @RebeccAgent, @KOrtizzle, @elanaroth and all the writers! Must work on plot problem before my eyes close on their own. #kidlitchat
2:03 am KOrtizzle: @heatherhowland Query the 2nd MS separately if the first is rejected. Don’t submit two MSs to same agent at same time #kidlitchat
2:03 am MaricarMac: is it ok to mention series potential in query? do agents want to know about it? and then how best to say it? #kidlitchat
2:04 am KOrtizzle: And on that note, I’m out. Must work on KOrtizzle Army items :) [that's what some of my clients refer to themselves as, lol] thx #kidlitchat
2:04 am bonnieadamson: Many thanks to intrepid agent chatters for all the great info tonight! #kidlitchat
2:05 am heatherhowland: @KOrtizzle Okay, thanks :-) #kidlitchat
2:05 am StiletoStrytime: @MaricarMac My proposal was for a series and then a synopsis of the first book. #kidlitchat
2:05 am suzannelilly: Thx so much for the time everyone! I feel enlightened after #kidlitchat.
2:05 am amyknichols: @KOrtizzle Thanks for your time. :) #kidlitchat
2:05 am kellyhashway: Thank you, @elanaroth, @RebeccaAgent, and @KOrtizzle. #kidlitchat
2:06 am debbieohi: @bonnieadamson Thanks for hosting #kidlitchat tonight, Bonnie! Great chat. Gnite, all…. #kidlitchat
2:06 am KatGirl_Studio: thank you nice agents for showing up to the chat and providing us with great info =^.^= #kidlitchat
2:06 am StiletoStrytime: Thank you everyone for your time and patience in answering questions! #kidlitchat
2:06 am bonnieadamson: This was fun, guys. Appreciate all the thoughtful questions and answers. See you in the transcript!

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