Kidlitchat Transcript – July 28th
| 8:01 pm | bonnieadamson: | Hi, Greg! I think it’s time to toss out the first topic: Do you/should you research editors before subbing–if so, how? #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | lizjonesbooks: | Lurking and reading #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | susanwrites: | oh bother. First I showed up in #kidlitchat and now I don’t? Is it me or Tweetchat? |
| 8:02 pm | Becky_Levine: | Well, that opens another question for me, about subbing to editors or agents 1st, but…if submitting directly to editors, YES. #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | Lizannewrites: | I have a question about YA #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | nomadshan: | @bonnieadamson I’d use WritersMarket.com #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | Becky_Levine: | I use VerlaKay a lot for my agent research, and agentquery.com. Plus the websites. I’m guessing the same work for editors? #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | innaj: | Sort of here, in between doing something about dinner–first time I’ve been online even remotely on time.  #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | Becky_Levine: | @susanwrites I see you. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat Just getting in. Will be in and out tonight as I scramble to throw dinner together. |
| 8:03 pm | Becky_Levine: | @nomadshan Where on WritersMarket.com do you look? #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | KellyDHouse: | @susanwrites I’ve found that Tweet chat can be a little tempermental. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | EgmontGal: | Guys, this is happening the same time as Ginger Clark is guesting in Verla Kay’s chatroom.It’s like rival productions of Macbeth #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | Lizannewrites: | Yes I research editors before subbing – go thru notes from conferences check Verla’s board #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | joycelansky: | #kidlitchat Absolutely. How do you know what they like if you don’t research them? For example, I know some agents like donuts. |
| 8:03 pm | susanwrites: | @BonnieAdamson Yes, it appears that tweetchat is mad at me tonight so I can read from tweetchat but need to post from the web. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | bonnieadamson: | We can make that Part 2, Becky–how do you vet agents? #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat @susanwrites I see you too |
| 8:04 pm | EgmontGal: | But editors HATE being pigeonholed into “the YA one, the one who likes sexy, the one who does boy books” #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | InformedIdeas: | #kidlitchat I always query editors directly, but then I mostly write for magazines  |
| 8:04 pm | maggiedana: | @KellyDHouse Not necessarily #TweetChat being temperamental. It’s #twitter’s API that’s the culprit. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal So what DO you want subbers to know about you? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | EgmontGal: | although everyone (inc agents) tries very hard to figure out the formula for what we like. We all like good, interesting, + NEW #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | nomadshan: | @Becky_Levine There’s a dropdown box called Advanced Search – you can choose Book Publishers or Consumer Magazines, among others #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | HanaDesBordes: | Anyone had any luck or know much about agentquery.com? I just discover that site 3 weeks ago. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat I noticed Twitter going all wonky earlier on my desktop. It’s running fine on the iPhone right now though. |
| 8:07 pm | EgmontGal: | @bonnieadamson guess we want people to know we publish things really well, and send us their best stuff. It’s about the writing #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | peg366: | #kidlitchat I do both verla and Writers Market |
| 8:07 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal But no specifics as to genre? #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | joycelansky: | #kidlitchat The best way to learn about editors is to attend conferences & meet them. SCBWI Midsouth, Sept. 25 |
| 8:08 pm | susanwrites: | For authors with an agent already do you continue to research editors before subbing to your agent or just write your book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | Becky_Levine: | @EgmontGal This is why I lean toward finding agent. Figuring they have more sense of editor’s wants than I’ll get from research. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | peg366: | Also check out Harold Underdown’s site to make sure I’m getting the names of editors right. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | Becky_Levine: | @HanaDesBordes I find agentquery a good starting point. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | bonnieadamson: | Always check web sites–have we said that? #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | Becky_Levine: | @nomadshan Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | gregpincus: | The scbwi site has a doc called something like “who edited that”. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | Lisa_Frame: | I use Writer’s Market, Harold Underdown’s site, and check their websites for the most recent information. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | EgmontGal: | @bonnieadamson We do say “we’re looking hard for middle grade and chapter books” and “we don’t do much graphic novels” #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | Lizannewrites: | definietely check out Who’s Moving Where – on Harold Underdown’s site – he updates info monthly – most of the time #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | InformedIdeas: | I find calling the main number and talking to the receptionist can help me pinpoint which editor to query #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | nomadshan: | @susanwrites #kidlitchat I leave the editor-vetting to my agent |
| 8:10 pm | bonnieadamson: | @peg366–How up-to-date is Harold’s list of industry moves? #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | EgmontGal: | @joycelansky I LOVE the SCBWI and it’s really helpful. But I would hate for people who can’t afford it to think they have to go #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | Evilgenius333: | @Becky_Levine #kidlitchat I agree. I think like @EgmontGal says, if you attend conferences and meet editors, that’s different though. |
| 8:10 pm | peg366: | When do you get an agent.? #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | BrandiDougherty: | maybe this was already said but reading editor and agent interviews on blogs is a great way to get a sense too #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | swdillard: | @susanwrites just write the book and keep in touch with your agent #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | EgmontGal: | @Lizannewrites And a good tip about Harold’s site is that when you’re new at a house you’re almost always looking to buy #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | Becky_Levine: | You can also search Amazon for the editor’s name. If author thanked them, book wills how up. Can see who edited what. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | bonnieadamson: | Some pubs listed in CWIM are very specific–no anthropomorphic animals, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | Lizannewrites: | He seems to post them as soon as he sees them on Publishers Marketplace #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | maggiedana: | @peg366 You search for an agent once you have a m/s that shines, is brilliant, and awesome. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | jeanie_w: | @Becky_Levine I’m looking for an agent 1st too. I figure they have a closer view of editors tastes. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | EgmontGal: | @InformedIdeas REALLY? You have found a helpful receptionist in publishing? That’s a first. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | cheriwilliams: | @Becky_Levine I *love* Amazon’s Advanced Search capabilites! #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | joycelansky: | #kidlitchat Alice Pope’s “Children’s Writer’s & Ill Market.” But I bet y’all know that already. |
| 8:12 pm | peg366: | RT @bonnieadamson: @peg366–How up-to-date is Harold’s list of industry moves? #kidlitchat/ It is pretty up to do. |
| 8:12 pm | bonnieadamson: | @BrandiDougherty–I do google for interviews. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat BEA was also great. I met many agents there and 8 requested material. That wasn’t too expensive. |
| 8:12 pm | EgmontGal: | I feel like I’m saying too much. But what’s good about an agent from our POV is we feel the ms. has already been “vetted” #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | InformedIdeas: | Publishers Lunch is also a good way to keep track of who is buying what #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | susanwrites: | @nomadshan Me too. I figure my agent knows best and my job is to write the book. Besides, that’s what I pay her for, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | MarieDevers: | #kidlitchat ”they” say to seek out new agents. where i can learn about new agents who are hungry for business? |
| 8:13 pm | Becky_Levine: | http://guidetoliteraryagents.com/blog/ #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | EgmontGal: | In other words, we know it is almost certainly worth our time to read and consider. Right, Alison (@egmontusa)? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | Lizannewrites: | what’s tricky abt using CWIM – is by the time it comes out – some of the editors have moved to a different pub or a lit agency #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | jeanie_w: | @EgmontGal @EgmontUSA Too bad you don’t really do graphic novels. I bet CANDLE MAN would make a good one. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | joycelansky: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat Absolutely! That’s why I won’t buy you a drink in California.  |
| 8:13 pm | maggiedana: | RT @EgmontGal: Whats good about an agent from our POV is we feel the ms. has already been “vetted” #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | Evilgenius333: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat Which makes perfect sense. |
| 8:14 pm | Becky_Levine: | http://twitter.com/asuen1 also gives agent news. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | gregpincus: | @susanwrites I still like to know who is who regardless of agent or not #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | Evilgenius333: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat after all – you guys have limited time. |
| 8:14 pm | BrandiDougherty: | Cynthia Leitich Smith always has great interviews on her blog “cynsations” #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @MarieDevers I’d like to know too #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | zoe_walton: | Look at the acknowledgments at the back of books to find agents/eds who get thanked too. (Hi all from Australia!) #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | dosankodebbie: | @EgmontGal @joycelansky I live too far from Tokyo 2 participate but is it still worth joining Japan Chapter of SCBWI you think? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | maggiedana: | @MarieDevers www.agentquery.com is good place to begin. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | EgmontGal: | hey, why won’t @Joycelansky buy me a drink? It got somebody comments on their ms. last year, but then I’m a cheap date. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | bonnieadamson: | General question: do you find agents or editors easier to research? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | cheriwilliams: | I agree –> RT @gregpincus @susanwrites I still like to know who is who regardless of agent or not. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | InformedIdeas: | @EdmontGal yes, I’ve found helpful receptionists, try to call at times when they aren’t busy but want to look like they are #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | joycelansky: | @Evilgenius333 #kidlitchat What is BEA? |
| 8:15 pm | jeanie_w: | @swdillard Are you suggesting I submit to editors and agents at the same time? #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | Becky_Levine: | http://twitter.com/asuen1 also gives agent news–and EDITOR news, I meant to say. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | #kidlitchat The interviews on Cynsations, http://cynthialeitichsmith.blogspot.com often mention editors. |
| 8:16 pm | joycelansky: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat Don’t worry about saying too much. Writers love to hear from the editors. You’re like the celebrity here. |
| 8:17 pm | Becky_Levine: | Doesn’t this get convoluted? jeanie_w @swdillard Are u suggesting I submit to editors and agents at the same time? #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | JennBailey: | Nobody has mentioned Predator and Editors website. I find it a great resource. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @EgmontGal I’ll buy you a drink, but not going to be in NYC anytime soon. Hubby will, but not me *sigh* #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | KindrilyKaren: | @Becky_Levine thanks for the great suggestions to resources. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | maggiedana: | @jeanie_w Best to submit to children’s agents. Not both agents and editors at same time. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | gregpincus: | There’s also Editors and Predators (website) is helpful when researching agents… at least to get rid of the bad ones #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | JennBailey: | Also, our regional SCBWI group has a “Scoop” that keep us updated weekly with editor/agent moves. Great value for $5/year #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | Evilgenius333: | @joycelansky #kidlitchat Book Expo America. Just had one in May. Writer’s Digest held a 1-day conference. Very helpful. Great people! |
| 8:18 pm | Lizannewrites: | interesting ? abt researching agents vs editors agentquery is helpful but it’s abt what they’re looking for & their connections #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | cheriwilliams: | Plus, most agents prefer manuscripts that haven’t already been sent out all over the place. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | joycelansky: | @EgmontGal #kidlitchat Oh, no. I’ll buy you, what is it, $35 worth of liquor? I just can’t do it personally. |
| 8:19 pm | MarieDevers: | @maggiedana thanks for the recommendation (agentquery.com) . i’ll check it out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | jeanie_w: | @maggiedana I hadn’t planned to approach both at once. @swdillard seemed to be suggesting that I should tho. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | Lizannewrites: | @JennBailey – that is a GREAT value =) #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | bonnieadamson: | How about finding an agent AFTER an editor has expressed interest–is that a no-no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | maggiedana: | No mainstream pubs accept fiction without agent; SOME will accept children’s books without agent, though. Best to research. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | gregpincus: | Scbwisocal.org has a quarterly pub caled kite Tales that’s also full of info. and freeeeeeee #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | EgmontGal: | My tip is, try editors with titles of assistant editor and associate editor. They are looking to build their lists. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | WriterRoss: | @gregpincus http://caseylmccormick.blogspot.com/ Blogger hosts interviews with agents; schedule posted on home page #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | JennBailey: | Once I find someone I always check them on Editors and Preditors. I get other writers experience which is great. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | joycelansky: | @Evilgenius333 #kidlitchat Let me guess, held in NYC? Or was that the one in Japan? |
| 8:22 pm | maggiedana: | To elaborate: by fiction, I meant fiction for grownups. Hate to call it ‘adult fiction.’ Bad connotations! #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | jeanie_w: | Sorry if I seem slow to respond. Not all tweets are appearing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | gregpincus: | @bonnieadamson Editors will certainly tell you it is #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | jasonbpomerantz: | Enormous collection of childrens’ songs from around the world, with translations and mp3’s:http://www.mamalisa.com/ #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | AntSteele: | An editor friend suggests writing a proposal first (sample chapters, outline, etc.) rather than the complete ms. Thoughts? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | gregpincus: | I think that’s key – if you’ve agreed to terms, an agent shouldn’t try to change that. i would say, agree to nothing first! #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | jeanie_w: | @EgmontGal I’ve heard new agents are good to approach for the same reason. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | bonnieadamson: | I believe EdAnon said it’s somewhat expected–agent after editor. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | MarieDevers: | #kidlitchat so how does an agent fresh in the biz find her first few clients? |
| 8:23 pm | EgmontGal: | @bonnieadamson If you have agreed $ with an editor, you can’t get an agent to renegotiate, that’s a nono. Otherwise ok. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | JennBailey: | Have heard that an agent for Picture Books is not as important. What are your thoughts? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | joycelansky: | @gregpincus #kidlitchat Please sign me up for Kite Tales. Sounds great! (Or lead me in the right direction). |
| 8:23 pm | innaj: | @maggiedana I submitted to agents and editors at the same time … though I didn’t _widely_ submit to editors, just to a few #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | AntSteele: | Oh, and Hi! Just stumbled onto this chat. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | maggiedana: | @AntSteele For fiction or non-fiction? Proposals and outlines good for non-fic; fiction requires sample + query letter. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | EgmontGal: | Is anyone going to the SCBWI national next weekend? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | literaticat: | ok so i am trying to discern how this thing works again. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | naptimewriter: | RT @JennBailey Have heard that an agent for Picture Books is not as important. What are your thoughts? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | susanwrites: | @MaryHr Not sure what you mean “unless your agent is proven” I trust mine to know what’s best . Not blind faith educated faith #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | Becky_Levine: | @gregpincus Yes. All I agreed to with editor of NF was that I wanted to write the book. Let agent work out terms. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | bonnieadamson: | @swdillard @EgmontGal How about from agent’s perspective? Surely you’re more attractive w/pending book deal? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | Lizannewrites: | Would a lit. agents assistant be a good person to send to at an agency? since with publishers it’s suggested to send to assistnt #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | literaticat: | @EgmontGal Not me dang it. *cries* #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | maggiedana: | @JennBailey Depends on pub. Some won’t accept subs from unagented authors for kids’ books; others will. Research. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | naptimewriter: | I was curious about the agent v. editor route for PB’s, too #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | Irisheyz77: | @EgmontGal SCNWI? #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | joycelansky: | @AntSteele #kidlitchat You need to go to their site and let them tell you what they want. It’s as varied as flavors at B & R. |
| 8:25 pm | swdillard: | it would certainly save a lot of tie and agony..#kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @AntSteele Hi! I’m kinda in the same boat #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | bonnieadamson: | Switching from business to craft for Topic 2: Do you outline/storyboard? Why or why not? #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | Evilgenius333: | @literaticat #kidlitchat Q’s asked and answered, and at the same time, lots of tangents spinning off. |
| 8:26 pm | BrandiDougherty: | @bonnieadamson I always do a detailed outline – it saves me every time! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | Becky_Levine: | @bonnieadamson I do plot/outline 1st. Was easier for MG mystery. This YA historical, I’m finding I need more re characters 1st. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | MargieGelb: | @bonnieadamson If editor expressed interest, much easier to find agent. Big plus for you! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | EgmontGal: | @Irisheyz77 Society of Children’s Book Writers and illustrators national conf in LA. look them up, they are key scbwi.org #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | joycelansky: | @jeanie_w #kidlitchat Yes & no. Mark McVey is a new agent who is flooded. Of course, he’s Mark McVey. |
| 8:26 pm | literaticat: | wait what was topic 1!? *islost* #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | swdillard: | @bonnieadamson I agree– I know people who went this route and I think they were in a stronger position all around #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | Becky_Levine: | @bonnieadamson And for PB idea, I’m doing a mix of storyboarding & outlining. Started w/ A. Suen’s storyboard ideas. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | lynnekelly: | @literaticat @EgmontGal No SCBWI for me next week, but I hope to make it next year for the 1st time! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | Becky_Levine: | @literaticat Topic #1 If/where writers research editors. Got spread to agents a bit. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | swdillard: | @bonnieadamson Yes, I need to know how the story is going to get to the end, even if it changes later..#kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | nomadshan: | Yes to outlining! Alternately use a spreadsheet or sticky notes. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | bonnieadamson: | @literaticat Topic 1–do you research ed.s agents before subbing? #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | JennBailey: | @EgmontGal Spilling the beans. The amazing @gregpincus pushing a tweet-up (I heartily endorse) on 8/7 at 9 in the lobby at SCBWI #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | peg366: | RT @naptimewriter: I was curious about the agent v. editor route for PB’s, too #kidlitchat Me, tpp/ |
| 8:28 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @bonnieadamson I do both. I feel that it keeps me focused on the topic at hand. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | Lizannewrites: | I outline a little then characyer takes over then I outline some more #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | WriterRoss: | @joycelansky You mean McVeigh <g> #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | jeanie_w: | @joycelansky Aren’t they all flooded? New ones might have more slots to fill. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | MargieGelb: | @bonnieadamson Plan in my head before I write and know beg., end, middle. Have to outline later in book to help with subplots. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | InformedIdeas: | I outline, but then, since I write science related non-fiction I generally have steps that need to be followed #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | joycelansky: | @JennBailey #kidlitchat I’ve heard the same thing. But what do I know? |
| 8:28 pm | ktubb: | Hi all! Never participated before, jumping in! I always outline. Write mostly hist. fic. Want to make sure no facts wasted! #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | bonnieadamson: | I outline afterwards, for revisions, not before–anyone else? #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | innaj: | I never outline unless outline required to sell the book. Prefer to find my stories through a series of very messy rough drafts. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | Lizannewrites: | for Picture Books I storyboard after I have a character and a problem A. Suen’s bk Picture Writing is very helpful #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | realmlovejoy: | Most major publishers don’t accept unsolicited submissions and even smaller presses can be slow to respond. Agents help a ton. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | Becky_Levine: | @ktubb historical fiction is currently driving me nuts. Happy nuts, but still… #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | jeanie_w: | @EgmontGal Can’t afford SCBWI national. I have a kid heading off to college next month. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: @joycelansky Actually, he’s Mark McVeigh, and his agency is the McVeigh Agency #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat 1st book was heavily outlined, though suprises arose during writing. My fav part! Second book was completely spur-of-the-moment. |
| 8:29 pm | cheriwilliams: | @EgmontGal I’ll be at SCBWI LA! Anyone else? #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @MargieGelb I’m the same way. I planned everything in my head. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | susanwrites: | I don’t outline. But I do scene cards and shuffle them around. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | InformedIdeas: | @ktubb do you ever find you have too many details? #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | Lizannewrites: | my problem is the beginning of a novel -how soon to have triggering event – without having to immediately go into backstory aftr #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | MarieDevers: | @Candace_xoxox nice ambition, but I was asking for myself! lol #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | KellyDHouse: | I outline as I’m going – always a chapter or two ahead, to make sure I’m staying on-track. Then again to focus the rewrite. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | cheriwilliams: | I started out seat-of-the-pants but am doing more outlining these days. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | ktubb: | @Becky_Levine Love that research! But yeah, nutty comes with the territory! #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | realmlovejoy: | I outline to figure out the key arc during the first draft. I outline events during revision for organization. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | EllenHopkinsYA: | @cheriwilliams I’ll be there# On faculty, in fact. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @Lizannewrites getting into screenwriting helped me with that problem somewhat #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | JennBailey: | I have an outline that changes weekly. I consider myself an “organic” writer. (sounds better than disorganized and addled). #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | swdillard: | @HanaDesBordes I agree, a story has to live in my head for a while before it is ready to come out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @EgmontGal Not going to SCBWI. Hubby will be on road and kids at home. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | bonnieadamson: | Sorry–can’t reply to anyone–grrr. Must make genral statements. Any tricks for keeping track of subplots? #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | gregpincus: | I outline, though it’s not always detailed. And I agree that surprised ALWAYS come up #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | joycelansky: | #kidlitchat Haven’t done much before writing, but will next time I start new. Did great act. describing MC from ft to head & fears. |
| 8:32 pm | Becky_Levine: | @JennBailey Organic. I like that. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | Becky_Levine: | @bonnieadamson replies aren’t working for me, either. Just typing in the @ part! #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | ktubb: | @InformedIdeas Ooo – great question! Short answer – yes. Too many details can rob u of the story… #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @swdillard Haha, yeah just wish mine had made it to paper two years ago. XD #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | bonnieadamson: | Organic is good. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | KellyDHouse: | @bonnieadamson Thanks for asking that. I’ve been in a quandry with my subplots. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | jeanie_w: | @gregpincus I outline too, but I don’t always stick to it when writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | Becky_Levine: | @bonnieadamson subplots–At middle, I look at all threads and make sure plotting their arc, as well as hero’s. Repeat as needed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | literaticat: | @bonnieadamson I would be shocked if anyone DIDN’T research agents/eds – and admitted it. Did anyone? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | maggiedana: | Twitter tip: if it get slow, type updates in text editor and paste into twitter or TweetChat dialogue box. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @bonnieadamson I have a Mac and use Scrivener. It’s good with organization #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | KateMessner: | @BonnieAdamson I just started using Scrivener & find it has great tools for keeping track of subplots. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | realmlovejoy: | Hah–now that I’m on east coast time, it’s easier to join in #kidlitchat. (always have more free time at night.) |
| 8:34 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | #kidlitchat Don’t outline but I do write scenes out of order & keep a to-do list. I outline when I revise. |
| 8:34 pm | bonnieadamson: | I find the subplot thing works better if I’m on the right track–they entertwine “organically” #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | InformedIdeas: | @bonnieadamson I describe all my plots/subplots/threads before I start outlining, then write with different color inks to track #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @KateMessner I <3 Scrivener! It’s saved my life/story so many times #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | joycelansky: | @WriterRoss #kidlitchat Yes! He’s so famous, I can totally botch his name & you still know who I’m talking about. |
| 8:35 pm | Evilgenius333: | @literaticat #kidlitchat Absolutely not. How could you submit if you don’t know what an agent wants? Wastes agent’s time and your time and $ |
| 8:35 pm | bonnieadamson: | OOH, @Idaho_Laurie How do you do that? Write out of order? Must plod through. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | Becky_Levine: | @Idaho_Laurie Can u share a couple of items on your to-do list? Just to see what type of stuff you track? #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | Lizannewrites: | @HanaDesBordes how did the screenwriting help? what books helped you? Thanks for answering before =) #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | JennBailey: | Tweet-up at the LA SCBWI conference. Friday night (8/7) in the Hotel Lobby. many seats. many bartenders. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | RebeccaMather: | @KateMessner what is Scrivener if you don’t mind me asking? #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | KateMessner: | @HanaDesBordes I <3 Scrivener, too. @sarazarr turned me on to it when I was struggling w/ organization for a mystery. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | cheriwilliams: | @KateMessner: @BonnieAdamson Oh boy. Here comes my Mac envy . #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | LaurelSnyder: | @Evilgenius333 Oh, but it’s possible to imagine people doing stupid things. I subbed pretty blind in the very beginning. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | literaticat: | @Evilgenius333 And yet, the most cursory glance at my inbox proves that at least 1/2 of submissions don’t do a lick of research. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | bonnieadamson: | @literaticat–Not so far! What do you want subbers to know about YOU? #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | ktubb: | @Idaho_Laurie I keep a to-do list during revisions, too. Works great for me! Others in my crit group don’t like it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | Candace_xoxox: | @literaticat Would it be easier to find an agent now that I have a small press offering a contract? #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | EKokie: | @cheriwilliams Are you finding it hard? I was pants on 1st ms. Now trying to outline more but I think it’s sucking the fun out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @Lizannewrites screenwriting follows a page-by-page formula. After working w/ it you develop a feel for timing #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | cheriwilliams: | YAY! –>RT @JennBailey: Tweet-up at the LA SCBWI conference. Friday night (8/7) in the Hotel Lobby. many seats. many bartenders. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | maggiedana: | @JennBailey Love the ‘many bartenders’ bit. But doesn’t sound right for conf. for kids’ writers!!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | bonnieadamson: | @cheriwilliams Naw, I’m PC all the way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | gregpincus: | To further @JennBailey’s comment – the #SCBWITweetup will be at 9 PM on 8/7 (Friday) in the lobby bar/outside area. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | EgmontGal: | @literaticat what percentage of your submissions would you consider “respectable” as in, in the ballpark of publication? #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | KateMessner: | Oops – forgot hashtag for Scrivener link: http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | literaticat: | @Candace_xoxox Possibly, but they still have to like it and want to work with you for the long haul. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | MarieDevers: | I so wish I was going to LA SCBWI. Anybody need an assistant to carry their ARCs and scare off pesky aspiring writers? #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | KindrilyKaren: | If you can attend a conference, do it. I met some great agents that way. And bonus tip: ACT NORMAL even if you aren’t. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | gregpincus: | @maggiedana oh, then you haven’t ever been to the SCBWI summer conference! #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | Evilgenius333: | @LaurelSnyder #kidlitchat Honest mistakes are far differen than stupidity. You should hear some of things my agent friends have to deal with |
| 8:38 pm | maggiedana: | @literaticat Half? Holy moly. That’s sad. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | bonnieadamson: | @KateMessner Thanks for link. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | realmlovejoy: | .@BonnieAdamson i keep track of subplots with an old-fashioned list, usually under specific character the subplot belongs to. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | Becky_Levine: | R.L. LaFevers blogged re tracking scenes/plot threads w/ cards: http://bit.ly/dpXn9 #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | mitaliperkins: | Why have I never heard of Scrivener as writing tool when @sarazarr and @katemessner are both staunch advocates? #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | JennBailey: | @maggiedana You need to show up to get the full affect. SCBWI-LA is delightfully interesting. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | RebeccaMather: | Thanks @KateMessner #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | WriterRoss: | @gregpincus Will you Tweet Up with those of us back Tw-east in NYC or is that not the point? ;> #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | maggiedana: | Clearly, I should plan to. RT @gregpincus: @maggiedana oh, then you havent ever been to the SCBWI summer conference! #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | bonnieadamson: | I believe ther’s an Open Source for Scrivener, too–yes? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | DDHearn: | Hi all. I’m trying to follow what’s happening, but I missed the beginning. Kind of like trying to read a book from middle. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | Lizannewrites: | Thanks @Becky_Levine for the link to the tracking with cards #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | realmlovejoy: | @KateMessner thanks for the link! Would like to try it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | ChrisRichman: | Completely forgot about the #kidlitchat until now. Joining the party late. |
| 8:40 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | #kidlitchat Sample “to do” notes: “Work in nightgown towards end. Does mom fix it? Or Amy, finally accepting her feminine side?” |
| 8:40 pm | Candace_xoxox: | @literaticat I would love an agents expertise. This is my first YA novel and I’m not sure what I’m doing with publishing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | aecbks: | Joining late and trying to follow the main conversation. #kidlitchat. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | ktubb: | @DDHearn More like six books from the middle! #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | literaticat: | @EgmontGal Oh ow. Maybe – 1 out of 100 could sell with lots of work. I take as a client – maybe 1 of 1000 or less? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | bonnieadamson: | @ChrisRichman Hi, Chris–want to weigh in on researching agents? #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | InformedIdeas: | @joycelansky You can have some of my details, I always seem to get bogged down with too many! #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | Becky_Levine: | @Idaho_Laurie –looks a lot like my lists, espec after the first few drafts. Oh, except the nightgown thing! #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | Evilgenius333: | @literaticat #kidlitchat I wrote on my blog about how to treat agents/editors cause it really frustrates me; makes it harder for all of us |
| 8:41 pm | gregpincus: | @WriterRoss some folks might tweet the tweetup, the idea is to meet fellow twitterers in person! #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | joycelansky: | @Lizannewrites #kidlitchat I was told no back story for first 3 chapters. Of course, Stephen King gets away with plenty in ch.1. (kidlitcat) |
| 8:41 pm | MarieDevers: | taking a screenwriting class also helped me write more visually,i e show rather than tell. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | HanaDesBordes: | @Candace_xoxox me too #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | Irisheyz77: | @EgmontGal sounds interesting….too bad I’m on the opposite coast. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | Lizannewrites: | Then DDHearn it turns into someone turnng the pages for you while you’re reading – only they’re faster than you read #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | bonnieadamson: | @gregpincus You’re gonna tweet ME, though, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | literaticat: | @Candace_xoxox Some agents wouldn’t find it worth their while to negotiate small-press deal for hardly any $ – Depends on sitch. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | JennBailey: | RT @literaticat: Maybe – 1 out of 100 could sell with lots of work. I take as a client – maybe 1 of 1000 or less? #kidlitchat Eek! How sad! |
| 8:42 pm | DDHearn: | @MarieDevers That sounds like a great idea. Screenwriting would be good for dialogue too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | ChrisRichman: | About researching agents…it’s definitely vital. I can tell immediately if someone knows my taste or not. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | RebeccaMather: | What is the protocol for children’s picture books? It seems like agents don’t want them is that right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | DDHearn: | I feel like Lucy at the fudge factory. Too many chocolate treats coming at me too fast. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | InformedIdeas: | @DDHearn Reading aloud helps with dialogue, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | Evilgenius333: | @literaticat #kidlitchat then there’s just the respect thing.You guys do SO much.Every time I think I’m busy I think about my agent pals. |
| 8:43 pm | nomadshan: | @DDHearn Screenwriting’s great for working out your turning points too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | Becky_Levine: | @ChrisRichman–researching taste. That always feels tricky to me, via the web. Best to go to conferences? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | ChrisRichman: | There’s no easier reason for rejecting something than when it’s a work I simply do not represent. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | bonnieadamson: | @ChrisRichman–what’s the best way to research you–web site? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | EgmontUSA: | @JennBailey But that’s why it’s so important for writers who want to be pubbed to really work on their writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | literaticat: | @JennBailey @egmontgal - that figure might be a bit ungenerous. Maybe 1 out of 50 publishable with a lot of work. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | DDHearn: | @literaticat I think my agent is like that. When six or so of the big houses wouldn’t take my PB she gave up. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | joycelansky: | @jeanie_w #kidlitchat Me too. Two in college, One looking & a teacher’s salary. |
| 8:43 pm | aecbks: | As an agent, I’m sometimes puzzled by why certain submissions get sent. Esp if wrong genre, or doesn’t fit submit guidelines. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | peg366: | RT @DDHearn: I feel like Lucy at the fudge factory. Too many chocolate treats coming at me too fast. #kidlitchat Me, too. |
| 8:44 pm | KindrilyKaren: | great beta readers helped improve my MS IMMENSELY. I suggest it to everyone before submitting. It REALLY does help. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | suemford: | I am – yea! RT @EgmontGal Is anyone going to the SCBWI national next weekend? #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | RebeccaMather: | My energy goes into writing novels now but I have 1 children’s picture book I want to pub. I just don’t know how to go about it #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | EgmontGal: | @literaticat See why we need agents? 1 out of 50 things Jen gets is publishable. That’s why we can’t take unsolicited #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | aecbks: | RT @KindrilyKaren: beta readers helped improve my MS IMMENSELY. I suggest it to everyone before submitting. It REALLY does help. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | Evilgenius333: | @nomadshan #kidlitchat Agreed.I started out as a writer/director. Helps you craft better and also swallow your pride and collaborate. |
| 8:44 pm | ktubb: | @Idaho_Laurie @Becky_Levine Love to-do lists, except when I leave cryptic notes like, “Funny stuff re stink bugs here” Wha? #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | WriterRoss: | @gregpincus Not being there will make me feel like a twit. A Kid Lit Twit. <g> #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | EgmontGal: | At Viking Children’s, we once estimated we took 1 out of 3,000 unsolicited submissions but I thought it was more like 1 in 5,000 #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | DDHearn: | @RebeccaMather Don’t try to find an illustrator. I’m sure you already know that, though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | RebeccaMather: | because every agent I research stipulates “no children’s picture books” #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | realmlovejoy: | @KindrilyKaren I agree! #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | swdillard: | @RebeccaMather it depends on the agent. I think there are quite a few who deal mostly with pbs.#kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | aecbks: | @EgmontGal I always wondered if the same 3000 mss were circ’ing at every house. An endless loop of slush. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | mitaliperkins: | Agents, does an author’s savvy promotional presence make any difference in offering representation? #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | LaurelSnyder: | @RebeccaMather I think often agents will rep PBs for clients they also rep for longform prose. Mine does. But its hard. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | bonnieadamson: | @RebeccaMather Good question–who reps picture books these days? #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | nomadshan: | @Evilgenius333 Collaboration – great point! #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | JennBailey: | @EgmontUSA @literaticat I don’t doubt the numbers. makes it harder to cut the BS for us who see this as real work and craft. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | Lizannewrites: | Writer Ross — there’s no way you’re a twit — maybe just tweetless when they all go to LA =) #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | Evilgenius333: | RT @KindrilyKaren: great beta readers helped improve my MS IMMENSELY. I suggest it to everyone before submitting. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | DDHearn: | @swdillard MIne does. I hope. It’s been awhile since I sent her one. Yipes. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | literaticat: | @EgmontGal Yep, I think my est of 1 in 1000 for clients is correct. 1 in 50 for possibly publishable someday but not for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | EgmontGal: | @aecbks they were circ’d several times at every house! #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | suemford: | I have end in mind, but don’t outline. Instead create a story ladder as I go, so I can find happens when, when rewriting. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | Evilgenius333: | @ChrisRichman #kidlitchat Weren’t you at BEA? I think I saw you. |
| 8:47 pm | LaurelSnyder: | @literaticat Cripes, you must read FAST! #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | mitaliperkins: | And is detailing publicity/marketing in contracts becoming an industry standard? #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | bonnieadamson: | @DDHearn But you have proven track record–how about new writers? #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | KateMessner: | @RebeccaMather PBs seem to be a very tough sell now – and sell for less than novels b/c author & illustrator split advance. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | JennBailey: | @suemford Yeah! Sue Ford is here!! Time to get jiggy with it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Candace_xoxox: | @literaticat Do you think it would be smart to stay with a small press offering a contract or find an agent & larger Pub house? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Becky_Levine: | @suemford Can you explain “story ladder” a bit? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | literaticat: | Many of the agents at my agency deal with picture books. The ladies at Sheldon Fogelman do picture books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | EgmontGal: | @evilgenius333 we have a theater director on our list (Allen Zadoff) and he has great timing as a writer. Screenwriters v good 2 #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | maggiedana: | I feel picbooks hard sell. People keep those they have; tend to buy fewer new ones, but will buy ppbk mid and YA fiction. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | bonnieadamson: | Do author/illustrators enjoy any edge in subbing pbs? #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | literaticat: | @Candace_xoxox I have no idea without knowing the details of the project and the contract being offered. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | ChrisRichman: | @Mitaliperkins For me, the writing trumps everything else. If I find out later that they’re savvy, it’s a plus. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | RebeccaMather: | @DDHearn yes I do know Thank you. Of course I have friends who want to illustrate it. They’re disappointed but I know … #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | DDHearn: | @bonnieadamson Good point. But it’s been awhile since I was last published, and I”m mid-list. Sometimes I think that’s harder. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | JennBailey: | @Evilgenius333 My degree is in Screenwriting. Think it gives a visual edge. You can play the scene in ur head, then write it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | suemford: | Tricks for subplots – in my story ladder, I have a column for subplots, so at a glance I can see when they were mentioned #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | aecbks: | Some novelists write pbs when stuck on their longer work. Not always the right motivation. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | Becky_Levine: | @RebeccaMather My son wants to illustrate mine. #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | Idaho_Laurie: | #kidlitchat Rachel Orr at Prospect reps PBs & illos, I believe. |
| 8:49 pm | Evilgenius333: | @nomadshan #kidlitchat 1st your agent will want revisions and then your editor. If you can’t collaborate, it’s gonna be rough. Great lesson. |
| 8:49 pm | swdillard: | @bonnieadamson Oh I hope so ; ) #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | literaticat: | @mitaliperkins Mitali, depends. One person’s “aggressive self-promoter” is another persons “huge pain in the ass.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EgmontUSA: | @ChrisRichman Totally agree. The writing is the most important thing. The other stuff is just icing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | gregpincus: | I’ve found screenwriting (my first career) to be a big help in picture books, more than in novels. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EgmontGal: | @chrisrichman I agree 100% The writing trumps everything, if the writer is web or publicity saavy, a very nice plus #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | aecbks: | RT @Evilgenius333: @nomadshan #kidlitchat 1st your agent will want revisions and then your editor. So true! #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | innaj: | @ mitaliperkins Hadn’t know it was anything but rare to detail publicity/marketing in contracts-am now curious, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | bonnieadamson: | @swdillard LOL–me, too! #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | RebeccaMather: | @LaurelSnyder ok thanks. It could be one of those situations where I have to go to conf.? but with twin preschoolers… sigh. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EgmontGal: | But if they’re not savvy, we can help them! But we can’t fix mediocre writing, at least not enough. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | Evilgenius333: | @JennBailey #kidlitchat ABSOLUTELY! It really helps punch up the scene. |
| 8:50 pm | gregpincus: | @ChrisRichman Congrats on your exciting news, by the way #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | Becky_Levine: | @gregpincus Any screenwriting book you’d recommend, in terms of that PB help? #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | DDHearn: | @aecbks Yes, that certainly is true for me. I don’t mind, if they give me a clear enough idea of what ’s wrong. #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | LaurelSnyder: | @RebeccaMather Yeah, my kids are 2 and 3 right now. It’s hard. But they’ll get older… #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | cheriwilliams: | RT @EgmontGal: @chrisrichman I agree 100% Writing trumps everything, if the writer is web or publicity savvy, a very nice plus #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | maggiedana: | Those who’ve not tried it, assume writing a pb is easy b/c it has fewer words. NOT ! #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | swdillard: | @gregpincus Makes sense–I think that the format of a sitcom is worth studying for pb writers.#kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @gregpincus: I’ve found screenwriting (my first career) to be a big help in picture books, more than in novels. <- how so? #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | Becky_Levine: | @innaj @mitaliperkins Marketing/pr was part of my NF contract. Are people doing it in fiction contracts, too? #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat Homework for next week – everyone take a look at a screenwriting book! Incredibly helpful. |
| 8:51 pm | ChrisRichman: | @EvilGenius333 I was at BEA, yes. Went to a great Egmont party where I met @literaticat in person for the 1st time in person. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | literaticat: | @ChrisRichman Yes. But also, I’ve got to click with them. Sometimes there’s a good writer, but I’m just not feelin it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | gregpincus: | @Becky_Levine It’s not the books. It’s the years of thinking visually and of writing to give EVERYONE else their space #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | aecbks: | @Evilgenius333 Which one to recommend? #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | EgmontGal: | @ChrisRichman thanks for the shout out! #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | mitaliperkins: | @literaticat I don’t like either label — “aggressive self-promoter” — or your more disturbing second category. Yikes. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | DDHearn: | @bonnieadamson I can see how a picture book is much like a film, with the visual elements contributing to the flow of story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | joycelansky: | @peg366 #kidlitchat I thought I was catching up then got to the top 167 to refresh. Yikes! |
| 8:53 pm | RebeccaMather: | Oh wow, this was right place to come with this question tonight lol! Will have to look over transcript tonight huh lol. thx! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | Becky_Levine: | @LaurelSnyder @RebeccaMather They do get older, it IS easier. Esp travel. Mine’s 13. He’s HAPPY when I take off & leave w/ Dad. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | RebeccaMather: | My computer isn’t refreshing fast enough to keep up #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | bonnieadamson: | @DDHearn For “camera angles”, sure–very helpful #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | Becky_Levine: | @LaurelSnyder @RebeccaMather Leave him WITH Dad, should have said. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | Candace_xoxox: | Contracts, Editors, Revisions Oh My! That’s why I need an agent!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | aecbks: | @joycelansky Use tweetchat, it will refresh automatically every few seconds. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | murzee: | what’s a pb? RT @maggiedana: Those who’ve not tried it, assume writing a pb is easy b/c it has fewer words. NOT ! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | DDHearn: | @RebeccaMather Yes, but as the kids get older, my energy level has dropped. I can’t pull those all nighters anymor.e #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | Becky_Levine: | @gregpincus Yes, the visual is trickier for me. But working on it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | literaticat: | @mitaliperkins Well – me neither, actually. There are lots & lots of shades in between, which is where most people are. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | nomadshan: | @murzee picture book #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | Evilgenius333: | @aecbks #kidlitchat Always love Sid Field’s books. Go with Screenplay – his first. |
| 8:54 pm | maggiedana: | @murzee picture book. See, our biz has baffling acronyms just like yours. #kidlitchat |
| 8:54 pm | innaj: | Speaking of promotion–book trailers–worth the bother, or more something that only is worth doing if you kinda want to anyway? #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | DDHearn: | Yes, this tweetchat is great. Thanks for sending it to me @bonnieadamson. Yipes, fudge falling off conveyer belt. #kidlitchat |
| 8:55 pm | aecbks: | @Evilgenius333 Thanks, will jot that down and pass along. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | bonnieadamson: | Will need to see transcript, for sure–Greg, can you manage from the road? #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | DDHearn: | I think every PB author should make a dummy for story break down. Lots of rewrites come at the dummy stage for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | RebeccaMather: | I know! visualized the whole PB and know exactly how the illustrations would help tell the story. Wish I were a better artist #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | EgmontGal: | @innaj we (publishers) still like book trailers for books coming out.The jury’s out on what exactly works, but we’re trying lots #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | KellyDHouse: | @innaj Good question #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | Evilgenius333: | @ChrisRichman #kidlitchat I thought that was you. Firebrand, right? |
| 8:56 pm | KateMessner: | @innaj I think great book trailers are awesome – bad ones are worse than none at all, imho. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | gregpincus: | Screenplays in terms of pacing, visuals, and understanding that your words are written to be interpreted (by directors, etc) #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | mitaliperkins: | @katemessner Not surprising. I’ve met your 2nd-grader. When asked what she was writing, she answered, “contemporary fiction.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | bonnieadamson: | @DDHearn Oh, Ethel, you crack me up! #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | JennBailey: | Before I write I reload the movie in my head. Then, I write what I see. Screenwriting forces you to frame the scene. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | DDHearn: | @RebeccaMather That has to be frustrating, knowing an artist will probably have a completely different vision for your PB. #kidlitchat |
| 8:56 pm | cheriwilliams: | @KatGirl_Studio Sign in to Tweetchat.com, enter #kidlitchat and put on your seatbelt |
| 8:57 pm | aecbks: | @JennBailey Very well said. I may quote you to some writers who don’t get it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | Evilgenius333: | @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat I’ve found thinking in terms of what I learned screenwriting helps me almost edit MS as I go. I realize what … |
| 8:57 pm | EgmontUSA: | @innaj I think it depends on the quality of trailer. Great ones get around. Even mediocre ones don’t do mcuh. #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | innaj: | @EgmontGal So while the jury’s out, worth continuing to try and experiment with them, essentially? Makes sense … #kidlitchat |
| 8:57 pm | EgmontGal: | @DDHearn but when the pictures and text combine just right, it’s magic. much much more than sum of parts #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | mitaliperkins: | Librarians and teachers use book trailers to intrigue reluctant readers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | ktubb: | @EgmontGal I missed the original question, but what do you like 2 see in a trailer? #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | DDHearn: | I have to say, twitter in general and these chats has certainly helped my speed reading. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | aecbks: | RT @EgmontGal: @DDHearn but when the pictures and text combine just right, its magic. much much more than sum of parts. #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | innaj: | @KateMessner Sorta like web pages used to be? #kidlitchat |
| 8:58 pm | BJMuntain: | RT @EgmontGal But editors HATE being pigeonholed into “the YA one, the one who likes sexy, the one who does boy books” #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | RebeccaMather: | @aecbks This is the first I’ve heard of tweetchat. Need to know more #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | Evilgenius333: | @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat …with visuals. Thinking like a screenwriter let’s the images pop off the page cause that’s the nature of the… |
| 8:59 pm | cheriwilliams: | Haha! –> RT @DDHearn: I have to say, twitter in general and these chats has certainly helped my speed reading. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | maggiedana: | @DDHearn Illustrator friend advised me to visualize potential illustrations when writing scene for pb. It helped me with story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | KindrilyKaren: | I agree. Movie perspective made me realize too much was going on after my “ending”. had to revise (again) #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | HeyWhitney: | @bonnieadamson When I started writing my picture books I couldnt help but see them as little movies in my head. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | DDHearn: | @EgmontGal Yes. I think that’s why editors traditionally keep authors and artists apart, so they each bring their own vision. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | KateMessner: | @DDHearn @RebeccaMather Not frustrating for me – exciting. Someone else’s vision makes your PB stronger than you first imagined. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | Evilgenius333: | @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat …the medium. |
| 8:59 pm | KellyDHouse: | Personally, book trailers that work make me very excited to read the book. One’s that don’t completely turn me off. Hit or miss. #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | ChrisRichman: | I’m still torn on book trailers. I’ve never seen one that’s completely blown me away, but I’ve seen plenty of bad ones #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | murzee: | Duh, thank you! RT @nomadshan: @murzee picture book #kidlitchat |
| 8:59 pm | Becky_Levine: | @EgmongGal @DDHearn I think the combo can be magic. Anyone see Jim Averbeck’s In a Blue Room, illus by Tricia Tusa? Perfect. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | Lizannewrites: | great tips thanks abt the screenwriting and visualizing story any book recommendations to help novelist study screenwriting ? #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | aecbks: | @RebeccaMather Sign in to TweetChat.com, put in #kidlitchat, and that’s it. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | DDHearn: | @BJMuntain Just like I hate it when editors think I only draw realistic animals, when I also do humor and fantasy. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | murzee: | Bet mine has more than yours RT @maggiedana: @murzee picture book. See, our biz has baffling acronyms just like yours. #kidlitchat |
| 9:00 pm | bonnieadamson: | We’re almost at the end of our “official” time. Feel free to continue discussion. Those who must leave, thanks for stopping by. #kidlitchat |
