| 8:00 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Hi, everyone–welcome! Glad you could make it. First topic: How do you know when you’re DONE–at least ready to submit? #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm |
gregpincus: |
You can find #kidlitchat via search.twitter.com or try http://tweetchat.com/room/kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@bonnieadamson That’s a good question. I sure wish I had the answer. #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
LOL–I can tell other people–not myyself! #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
gregpincus: |
RT @bonnieadamson: First topic: How do you know when you’re DONE with your manuscript –at least ready to submit? #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Do you rely on beta readers, crit group? #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm |
EngridE1: |
Great question, however, I’m on the first draft so I can’t wait to read the replies #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
aquafortis: |
Hi everyone–figured I’d stop in for a few minutes! Re: the question–no idea.  #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat I go through many drafts first. Get lots of feedback from at least 5 readers (some authors/some just big time readers). I then.. |
| 8:03 pm |
EgmontGal: |
I’m very eager to hear what you all say to this. And do you get your plots or ideas vetted first by crit groups and/or agents? #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
maggiedana: |
Hi everyone. Best not to submit till m/s has sat in box under bed, gathering dust, for a few months! #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm |
peg366: |
#kidlitchat A critique group might be a place to start. |
| 8:04 pm |
aquafortis: |
I definitely run a draft past my writing group at least a couple of times and revise accordingly. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat …review their advice and look for commonalities. After a few more revisions, I give it to 2 old readers and then 3 newbies… |
| 8:05 pm |
EgmontGal: |
Are we talking submit to agent or submit to publisher, by the way? #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
gregpincus: |
Sometimes for me it’s when I put it aside for two weeks… and I pick it back up and can’t work ANYMORE. It’s done! #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat It’s important to get fresh views, because we are simply too close to our own work. However, I am the last say in content. |
| 8:05 pm |
SherriePetersen: |
Hi! Great question…and answers! #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@EgmontGal Interesting–is there a difference? #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
peg366: |
#kidlitchat I am a newbie. What is a beta reader? |
| 8:06 pm |
joycelansky: |
@gregpincus Read every writing tip & many authors, take advice from crit group and revise 50,000 times then once more. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@EgmontGal I’m approaching agents first. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
EngridE1: |
@gregpincus I’m starring your answer Tweet for future use. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@peg366 Readers of “experimental” content–like game testers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
maggiedana: |
@peg366 A beta reader is opposite of a worser reader! Sorry, am feeling silly tonight. Too much rain on top of more rain. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
EngridE1: |
RT @gregpincus: Sometimes for me its when I put it aside for two weeks… and I pick it back up and cant work ANYMORE. Its done! #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
peg366: |
I’m having trouble getting my responses to go in #kidlitchat. Some are showing up in all friends. |
| 8:07 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@bonnieadamson if you have an agent, he/she will tell you when it’s ready to send out, no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat I see no difference in sending out to agents or publishers. You MUST send out your best work to whomever. |
| 8:08 pm |
gregpincus: |
@joycelansky So, 50,001 revisions is the key? Cool! Then I’m almost done with my next manuscript! #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
peg366: |
@BonnieAdamson Thanks Bonnie. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
leewind: |
Hi everyone. For me, 2 drafts, then writers group. then 3 drafts, then new readers. then 2 more drafts, polish draft, send out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
EgmontGal: |
I think a crit group can tell you, or you can tell, when you are beginning to cover old territory again. then let it go out! #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
maggiedana: |
@EgmontGal True … but if you’re submitting TO an agent, your m/s had better be as perfect as you can make it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@EgmontGal Well, but we hear needs to be just as polished no matter . #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@maggiedana @evilgenius333 you’re right of course send it out only when it’s as good as you can make it, but don’t stall #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Good point about new readers–crit group knows what you’re TRYING for–shades opinion, I think. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm |
aquafortis: |
@Evilgenius333 I agree–it has to be the best you can make it…at least, at that moment. I’ve also revised again post-rejection #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
EngridE1: |
@peg366 I see you in #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
EgmontGal: |
I am 100% for revising and getting feedback and making something good, but you also HAVE to be in the game, submitting #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
leewind: |
and I’m not sure there’s a big difference, manuscript-wise in agent vs. editor submissions. Best work, like evilgenius333 said. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm |
aquafortis: |
Of course, you end up revising yet again post-acceptance, so…I guess it never ends. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
joycelansky: |
@jeanie_w It’s a hard sell to agents too if the manuscript is not polished. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
uppington: |
@Becky_Levine I see you. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@EgmontGal #kidlitchat agreed. I know a project will never be “perfect” and will be revised numerous times at agent’s request, then again… |
| 8:11 pm |
EgmontGal: |
I agree, your very best work. Pls don’t misunderstand. BEST WORK! But some let fear stop them from submitting, no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
But are you submitting to find out if it’s ready? Sounds risky. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm |
kathleenfoucart: |
@literaticat Are you talking about #kidlitchat? |
| 8:12 pm |
lynnekelly: |
@Becky_Levine That is weird; I see your comment on my regular feed but not on the #kidlitchat feed. |
| 8:12 pm |
peg366: |
RT @aquafortis: Of course, you end up revising yet again post-acceptance, so…I guess it never ends. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@EgmontGal #kidlitchat …by the editor. But I think it is wise to go through and to take appropriate time away between drafts to get it… |
| 8:12 pm |
johnlechner: |
The trouble is, sometimes you can just revise and revise forever. There has to be a stopping point (he says hopefully…) #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
EgmontGal: |
No, don’t submit to find out if it’s ready. But i’m curious, do you ask if there is interest in your topic/plot/period etc? #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm |
gregpincus: |
@EgmontGal Yes, indeed, many people refuse to call a manuscript done and never submit. That’s why we asked this question! #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
aquafortis: |
@bonnieadamson It’s always a risk…but sometimes you end up with valuable feedback in a rejection, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
EgmontGal: |
(Am i screwing this up by going off topic? Is there a moderator? Sorry if I’ve messed up, i will stop if so) #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
literaticat: |
well i’ll be! i had no idea this was a thing, i just assumed you all were crazy with the “tweetchat”ing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@EgmontGal #kidlitchat …great shape. |
| 8:13 pm |
leewind: |
aquafortis is right, I guess it stops being revised when it’s published – although, with POD, that’s changing, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
EngridE1: |
RT @EgmontGal: I agree, ur very best work. Pls dont misunderstand. BEST WORK! But some let fear stop them from submitting, no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm |
maggiedana: |
@EgmontGal Who would you be asking? Agent? Editor? Best to research market before asking them, unless you *know* them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@EgmontGal How do you ask that without submitting? Query only? #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
Whooomp! <looks around and rubs eyes> Hey, all. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@literaticat Right the first time–we’re all crazy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@bonnieadamson I don’t know for sure. Ask agents, ask at conferences, read newsletters. I just wondered. Sometimes I can tell #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@EgmontGal #kidlitchat Haven’t asked if there’s interest in plot,etc. but got a rejection on MS where agent suggested I write… |
| 8:16 pm |
EgmontGal: |
a book doesn’t have a plot from the way it’s described to me. i wonder if there’s a way to spare work at an early stage if no #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
I’m never done, never. I still make changes when I do reading of a published book. I edit in red pen and readaloud that version. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@EgmontGal No worries–we throw out a topic and go! #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
EngridE1: |
@EgmontGal Two moderators @bonnieadamson & @gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
joycelansky: |
@johnlechner I’ve heard of many authors who look at their published work & think I wished I’d have done_____.#kidlitchat (Keep forgetting #) |
| 8:16 pm |
EgmontGal: |
interest but probably not, unless you can ask agent or editor or make queries. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@EgmontGal #kidlitchat …contemporary YA. Which was funny, because my followup novel is exactly that. |
| 8:16 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@EgmontGal I’ve had some feedback from agents at ms critiques at SCBWI conferences. Saleability is my first concern. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
leewind: |
Consider ANYone (editor, agent, published author, friend) giving feedback gives THEIR opinion. It’s YOUR story Your decisions . #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Harking back to last week–that’s one reason I find pbs so hard: can never stop revising! #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
RuthanneReid: |
#kidlitchat is fascinating, btw, for anyone not following it. |
| 8:17 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat Welcome! Hop right in! |
| 8:17 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@joycelansky @johnlechner I hate rereading books I edited because I often think of one more thing I could/should have asked for #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@leewind Good advice! I forget that. Deep into edits, I tend to ask my editrix, “Is it done yet? Is this part *wrong*?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
marybrebner: |
Can’t you edit & revise until the cows come home? Seems even when published, may still desire edits & revisions…#kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
literaticat: |
@jeanie_w saleability is your FIRST concern? from an agent’s pov, i’d rather my clients first concern was QUALITY. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm |
SarahRettger: |
Want to read Rome 1960, book hotels, and participate in #kidlitchat all at the same time. Am accomplishing none of those. |
| 8:18 pm |
aquafortis: |
@leewind Very true. You have to be able to tell what advice will work well for your vision of the story. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@LaurelSnyder @leewind your editor should say “I think maybe this, but it’s your book of course” our job is just to suggest #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
gregpincus: |
@bonnieadamson I agree. I constantly tweak pb manuscripts. Constantly. Of course, I constantly tweak tweets, too. Go figure. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
johnlechner: |
@joycelansky @LaurelSnyder Yes, that’s me — I always want to revise, even my books that are printed and done. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
sbrezenoff: |
I’m so late!… #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
joycelansky: |
@leewind If enough folks say the same thing, I pay special attention. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Also: by revise, do we mean structure, or surface edits, which can go on FOREVER? #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@EgmontGal I wonder if an editor & writer both like that ever postpone publication forev…both say, “Oh, we can do better!” #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@bonnieadamson Seems there’s always something more you can do. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@literaticat @jeani_w here, here! Quality first. Thinking of salability first usually backfires anyway. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
aquafortis: |
@leewind …while also having the intestinal fortitude to make changes you might not like but know are needed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@literaticat But we’re told to respect the market, so must be sensitive to saleability, no? #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
leewind: |
@LaurelSnyder yeah, I sometimes think it’s best to look at WHERE critiquers have a prob. rather than WHAT they think prob. is. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@EgmontGal Oh, she does. And then I’m all, “But what should I dooooo? Tell me what to do…..” #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@LaurelSnyder no, the editor has to keep her job, publisher will be pushing to get the book out eventually to earn back advance #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat Agreed that quality is first concern, but I know I do a lot of research into my genre/market before I write… |
| 8:20 pm |
maggiedana: |
<— even edits her shopping lists for spelling and grammar. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
marybrebner: |
So, how do you decide when you’re done & ready to send to agent/pub house? #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
gregpincus: |
I second and third @leewind’s point. At the end of the day, it’s YOUR story. But listening and learning from smart folks is key! #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
literaticat: |
@bonnieadamson I don’t know. I consider saleability MY problem. My clients just have to be awesome writers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat …to see is going on. |
| 8:21 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@literaticat Having saleability as the first concern I address does not mean I neglect quality. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@leewind–yes, if something’s not working I want to know, but want to fix it myself. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
EgmontGal: |
Everyone is right, here. You can’t think “what will sell” most of the time, but would kids read/like your book? #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
gregpincus: |
And I second that, @aquafortis – it’s easy to get too close to a ms and refuse to do something that will actually help. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat I think we all agree we will always want to tweak our work. But in the great example of George Lucas – sometimes better leave… |
| 8:22 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@marybrebner When I feel nuts, honestly. I really do send it in with a note, “Not perfect yet, but I’m crosseyed. Your turn!” #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat …it alone! |
| 8:22 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@jeanie_w what questions do you ask yourself to address salability? I may learn from your answer, thx in advance #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@literaticat I do want people to buy and read what I write. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm |
aquafortis: |
Sometimes I THINK I’m done revising & it turns out I’m not. It helps if you have time to set a MS aside awhile, then look again. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
EngridE1: |
@maggiedana Okayyyy……..so you CAN edit too much, huh? #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Obsessiveness is occupational hazard for writers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
gregpincus: |
There’s a difference between your writing not being understood and your writing just not doing what you think it’s doing! #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
literaticat: |
@Evilgenius333 Sure. Of course it’s nice to know what else is out there. But I don’t want that to cripple my authors. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm |
aecbks: |
@aquafortis Yes, a little distance helps one’s perspective on the work. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
gregpincus: |
@LaurelSnyder Ah, but that’s great when you’re working with an editor or agent. What about when you’re readying to get one? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@EgmontGal Isn’t what kids will read/like also what they will buy? Where’s the difference? #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
I never think about the market. I came to this from academic poetry. For me, basic narrative is already a leap to “the market” #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
What Greg said. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
KellyDHouse: |
I’m new too. Hope I’m doing this right. I’ll take all the feedback I can get. #kidlitchat. |
| 8:24 pm |
maggiedana: |
@EngridE1 My inner editor is evil and never sleeps … it edits my dreams. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
HiroBoga: |
RT @gregpincus: There’s a difference betwn yr writing not being understood & your writing not doing what you think it’s doing! #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
maggiedana: |
Sad, but true. RT @bonnieadamson: Obsessiveness is occupational hazard for writers. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm |
marybrebner: |
@LaurelSnyder Seems there are only so many times you can go through own work before throwing up yr hands & saying that’s it #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@jeanie_w no difference in the way you pose the question. Diff bet “Is this *hot*, a potential bestseller” or “will kids like?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
leewind: |
@aquafortis Yes. My pattern. Finish it – think it’s genius. After critique, think it’s crap. rest period helps w/balance #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat Agreed. I don’t think people should follow trends or only write what they “think” audience wants to read. It has… |
| 8:25 pm |
kathleenfoucart: |
@marybrebner That’s where I come in  #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
gregpincus: |
RT @maggiedana: My inner editor is evil and never sleeps … it edits my dreams. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm |
maggiedana: |
@marybrebner If you ‘throw up your hands’ then m/s is probably not ready for submission. You have to be thrilled with it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
LucidGlow: |
My streets are my office, my writing sanctum #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@jeanie_w also, some would be writers I’ve seen write only for themselves, don’t think of how kids read and what they like #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat …be true to who they are. I guess I’ve always been a huge marketer at heart. Came from a toy design background… |
| 8:26 pm |
KellyDHouse: |
I hope to know I’m done revising by no longer moving paragraphs and scenes but instead reworking sentences – the same ones. #kidlitchat. |
| 8:26 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
#kidlitchat Questions to self re saleabilty–Pace fast enough? Voice right for age? Enough fun/tension/excitement to hook young readers? |
| 8:26 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
#kidlitchat Hi, all–finally figured out what I’m doing wrong. I think. Great talk. |
| 8:26 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@literaticat #kidlitchat …and it’s REALLY helped my children’s writing. I use it in every story. |
| 8:26 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@leewind I usually fall in love with the IDEA. Then I think it’s crap once I write it.Then I read it bound and think, “S’ok.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
aquafortis: |
@gregpincus Liked what you said earlier re: writing not doing what you think it’s doing vs. readers not understanding. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@EgmontGal First I ask what appeals to me, what prompts me to buy a book. I couldn’t write a Twilight. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
marybrebner: |
kathleenfoucart That’s where I come in #kidlitchat ~Yeah, once you’ve done all you can, your best crit partner comes into play (woot) |
| 8:27 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@maggiedana @marybrebner not sure I agree for everyone. some writers not the types to ever be thrilled with it,not secure enough #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@Becky_Levine I say that’s the part the editor takes care of. Editor can help me tighten. Sooo many books now are lickitysplit. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
JennBailey: |
Really feel it must be the story You want to tell. Otherwise your lack of passion bleeds through. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
KellyDHouse: |
@EngridE1 that’s about where I am. #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@Becky_Levine great questions! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
kathleenfoucart: |
I think knowing when you’re “done” is a Gibbs-gut thing (Yup, NCIS reference). #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
#kidlitchat Original ? of when you’re done–what people said about multiple revisions, with critique. Deep revisions, deep critique. |
| 8:28 pm |
maggiedana: |
@EgmontGal If you’re not thrilled with your work, how can you expect someone else to be? #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@KellyDHouse YES! What she said! #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
aecbks: |
RT @JennBailey: Really feel it must be the story You want to tell. Otherwise your lack of passion bleeds through. Totally agree. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
writermomof5: |
@Becky_Levine I see it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@jeanie_w Great questions, again. Yeah, don’t try to write a Twilight if you don’t like it or know you couldn’t #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm |
LucidGlow: |
@Evilgenius333 we should write what we want, not considering sales or pitch or anything #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
JustOneMoreBook: |
Hey #kidlitChat is on! Any questions for Horrid Henry author Francesca Simon? preparing to interview for http://JustOneMoreBook.com podcast |
| 8:29 pm |
joycelansky: |
@aquafortis For sure, set it aside. Who said, “Diff between rt word and almost rt word is like water drop & ocean?or lightning?” #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
LucidGlow: |
Listening to halloween, by John Carpenter, very inspiring. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
TaraLazar: |
Reading #kidlitchat. (Just wanted to let you know I’m here, @BonnieAdamson!) |
| 8:29 pm |
leewind: |
RT @maggiedana: @EgmontGal If you’re not thrilled with your work, how can you expect someone else to be? #kidlitchat TOTALLY AGREE! |
| 8:29 pm |
marybrebner: |
@EgmontGal some writers not the types to ever be thrilled with it,not secure enough #kidlitchat ~That may be dif btw writer & pubbed author |
| 8:29 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
I love my own babies–am always surprised if others do, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@maggiedana some people aren’t thrilled with their work.They just aren’t. They can be great writers but doubtful or unconfident #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
RT @JennBailey: Really feel it must be the story You want to tell. Otherwise your lack of passion bleeds through. Totally agree. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
EngridE1: |
@maggiedana Since Im a newbie to writing books Im writing 1st draft & THEN editing myself otherwise I’ll NEVER get thru 1st drft #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
aquafortis: |
This was fun, everyone–thx for great chat. Have to zip back out again because, appropriately, I have a revision waiting for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Hi, Tara–glad you could make it! #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
@KellyDHouse It does feel like years. I keep telilng myself that each step gets closer, even if only baby steps. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
LucidGlow: |
Passion is crucial, no matter what you do. We are creatures of passion #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
gregpincus: |
As convo on topic 1 continues… we have a “topic 2″ . We will compile the answers to this one as well as having the transcript. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm |
EngridE1: |
@kathleenfoucart You are my kind of Tweeter, I feel that in my Gibbs-gut! #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
marybrebner: |
@kathleenfoucart I think knowing when you’re “done” is a Gibbs-gut thing (Yup, NCIS reference). #kidlitchat ~Nice allusion! |
| 8:31 pm |
JennBailey: |
@joycelansky Mark Twain said it. The difference between the lightening and the lightening bug. Now that was a writer.#kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
maggiedana: |
@EngridE1 Good plan. Get it down and then revise, revise … let it perk, and revise again and again. Perk again, etc., etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
@EgmontGal Or just feel scattered. Sometimes I feel like I’m writing in too many directions. Can’t see forest for trees. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@LucidGlow but having passion for + being thrilled with your work are not the same thing at all. You don’t have to be the latter #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
swdillard: |
@marybrebner I don’t know, I became more insecure about my work once I became published–I worry it was a one time thing..#kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
KellyDHouse: |
tell me – what does the hashtag do? I’m very new at this. thx. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@LucidGlow #kidlitchat I completely agree. I just have always had a marketer’s mind as well. Believe me, I won’t waste time on an MS I’m… |
| 8:32 pm |
gregpincus: |
Topic 2: do you have a favorite link/online resource for children’s literature writing/news/reviews/etc? And can you add “why”? #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
JustOneMoreBook: |
@gregpincus sorry! late first timer to #kidlitchat : topic=? protocol? |
| 8:32 pm |
LucidGlow: |
@Becky_Levine baby steps are good, as long as they eventually grow up #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
leewind: |
@EngridE1 made this mistake on my 1st novel. I revised the first 30 pgs endlessly, and it took forever to finish first draft. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm |
auntieflamingo: |
I guess I should say Hello too. I’ve been lurking for the last 15 minutes. Hello Everyone. Great advice so far. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@LucidGlow #kidlitchat …not completely passionate about.I get jazzed up about an idea and let the writing take over.But I also do research |
| 8:33 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@marybrebner do you mean pubbed authors aren’t thrilled with their work but unpubbed ones are, or the opposite? #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
lynnekelly: |
Like actors who can’t watch themselves: RT @EgmontGal Some writers not the types to ever be thrilled with it,not secure enough #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
LucidGlow: |
Don’t get too technical, that’s my advise, to myself and others #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
EngridE1: |
@Becky_Levine If you use Tweetchat.com the chat updates automatically & adds the hashtag for you #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
kathleenfoucart: |
My dinner just arrived, so alas, must leave #kidlitchat for now. But I’ll read later! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
Jen Robinson’s book page-http://jkrbooks.typepad.com/ Jen posts more info and reviews about kids’ books than anyone I know. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
JennBailey: |
Topic 2 answer: I really like that @gregpincus guy. He tweets good stuff;) #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@literaticat Must have a good plot in mind before I write. I address quality issues in revisions. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
@EngridE1 Got it. Had my tweets blocked ’cause I was getting creepies a while ago. Unblocked now! #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
I’ve heard it said that bad writers are always over-confident; good writers agonize. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
EgmontGal: |
Hey, when you’re dead, your heirs can still revise your book, a la Hemingway’s A Moveable Feast. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
@bonnieadamson I sure hope that’s true! #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
EngridE1: |
@KellyDHouse Maybe we can start our own writers group (or U add me in Urs?) I don’t have 1. Recently moved 2 new city #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
literaticat: |
@jeanie_w Makes sense. Fair enough. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
aquafortis: |
@JennBailey Haha–ditto! I also like @JensBookPage an awful lot–great reviews and roundups. OK, now I’m really outta here. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
gregpincus: |
@JennBailey Ahhh, go on And thanks! #kidlitchat I should add that I find Twitter to be a great source of info on all those topics |
| 8:35 pm |
EngridE1: |
@Becky_Levine #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
LaurelSnyder: |
I ahve to go too. Eyes can only take so much. xo everyone. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
HiroBoga: |
The Canadian Children’s Book Centre at http://www.bookcentre.ca/ is a great resource @gregpincus #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm |
marybrebner: |
@EgmontGal No, not at all. Takes a leap of faith to submit work-that bit of crazy bravery that, despite doubts, it might work #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
RT jeanie_w @literaticat Must have a good plot in mind before I write. I address quality issues in revisions. #kidlitchat – Agreed! |
| 8:36 pm |
EngridE1: |
Have to RT @EgmontGal: Hey, when youre dead, your heirs can still revise your book, a la Hemingways A Moveable Feast. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Re topic2: I find Twitter cuts into blog-reading time, so am not following as many as before–anyone else? #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm |
gregpincus: |
@bonnieadamson It would be horrible to be bad AND agonize! I certainly do the latter at times…. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
EKokie: |
Me, too. Trying to catch up! @auntieflamingo I’ve been lurking for the last 15 minutes. Hello Everyone. Great advice so far. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
joycelansky: |
http://www.brucehalewritingtips.com/ Best writing advice ever! #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
aecbks: |
I think it’s hardest for writers when editors tell them they like their work but don’t offer for it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
@bonnieadamson Less blog-reading true for me, too, cuz of Twitter. Altho, I’ve also checked out new ones from Twitter. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm |
LucidGlow: |
@EgmontGal I get thrilled by the process If I don’t like the result, I take yet another critical look at it. things take time #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
#kidlitchat agree with @gregpincus , Twitter is the best source for me. |
| 8:38 pm |
gregpincus: |
@LaurelSnyder Thanks for chatting! #kidlitchat (And that goes for all of you in here, by the way) |
| 8:38 pm |
maggiedana: |
Twitter makes us better writers. Forces us to use fewer words to say more. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@JustOneMoreBook Hop on in! Topic 1: how to tell when ms. is good enough to submit; topic 2: fav. writing sites, blogs & why #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
JennBailey: |
@bonnieadamson Folks previewing blogs thru twitter helps me filter which posts to read each day. Twitter the great amplifier #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@aecbks Oh God! I like an awful lot of books I don’t offer on. The reasons why are too many to fit into a tweet or even two #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm |
LucidGlow: |
@Evilgenius333 research can be many things, including pulling stuff from your organic computer #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
swdillard: |
@bonnieadamson I think bad writers can agonize too though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@aecbks do they tell you why they are not offering? #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
leewind: |
do people know about this kidlitosphere site – lots of blogs and great info! http://bit.ly/p3D2 #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@JennBailey True–reading less, but reading smarter, for sure #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
LucidGlow: |
@Evilgenius333 Research, ongoing or writing interrupted is important, of course, no matter what #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
marybrebner: |
@swdillard Can understand that. Unsecure but still brave enought to submit! Seems it would be harder second time (I’m guessing). #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm |
aecbks: |
@EgmontGal Yes,it’s impossible to offer for all of them! Writers do appreciate the substantive rejection if it’s a no. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
LucidGlow: |
@Evilgenius333 Life itself is the best research #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
gregpincus: |
RT @JennBailey: Folks previewing blogs thru twitter helps me filter which posts to read each day. Twitter the great amplifier #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
@maggiedana I think that’s true–Twitter forces you to pay attention to word choice, certainly. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
TaraLazar: |
@leewind Don’t forget the Authors & Illustrators blog list from Kidlitosphere, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
aecbks: |
@EgmontGal Some rejections have resulted in a revised book, which then sold–so bad news can turn into good news. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@LucidGlow #kidlitchat At least we agree on one thing – Love the Halloween score! |
| 8:41 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@bonnieadamson Still have a long list of blogs, but don’t read unless they grab me. Lots of repeat topics out there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm |
gregpincus: |
@LucidGlow Eh. I’m too busy for that life thing #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm |
aecbks: |
Sounds like the consensus is blogs are losing steam as twitter gains steam. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm |
EgmontGal: |
hey, can you guys quote useful things you’ve heard in rejection letters? #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm |
DHeiligman: |
@aecbks yes, a friend going through this now. Real writers won’t honest reactions. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm |
gregpincus: |
For links, http://www.verlakay.com is great. Harold Underdown’s Purple Crayon, too. And the @SCBWI site has much stuff. #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm |
TaraLazar: |
Link for the Kidlitosphere Authors & Illustrators blog list: http://tr.im/tqP3 #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm |
EngridE1: |
@auntieflamingo Lurking is good, depends on when you come out into the light, right? #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
davidhburton: |
@jeanie_w I keep a list of blogs that pulls the RSS feeds at my site that I check. that way I can see what’s new #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
auntieflamingo: |
Twitter has helped me find helpful blogs I probably wouldn’t have found on my own. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
@EgmontGal Agent loved writing and humor and suggested I write contemporary YA #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
bonnieadamson: |
Always check in to Ed. Anon. and Query Shark–also, Fuse8, Cynsations & @taralazar’s blog #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
aecbks: |
All new children’s authors should at least join SCBWI. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
gregpincus: |
@aecbks No, I disagree. Blogs are what we’re reading and linking to here on Twitter, quite often. Twitter amplifies the good. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm |
davidhburton: |
@aecbks I agree. Blogging is losing steam, and somehow (with twitter) that seems ok. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
@EgmontGal An agent said my MG mystery for boys might be 2 quiet for market. Very nice & perhaps made sense; hoping wrong! #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@davidhburton I have a list I follow thru blogger.com. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
lizzyarmentrout: |
I agree–same hereRT jeanie_w @literaticat Must have a gd plot in mind before I write. I address quality issues in revisions. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
davidhburton: |
@gregpincus I don’t know. Some of the main blogs that I used to follow have stopped producing as often. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
auntieflamingo: |
I love some of the agent blogs. I learn a lot and get a good laugh at the same time. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
gregpincus: |
RT @EgmontGal: hey, can you guys quote useful things you’ve heard in rejection letters? #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
Also check out: www.cwim.com #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
davidhburton: |
@jeanie_w keeping a compiled list like that makes it much easier #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
Becky_Levine: |
@davidhburton @aecbks I blogged re this a while ago. Seems 2 me you’re right, but commenters disagreed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
EgmontGal: |
@davidhburton Blogging is losing steam? Ruh roh! I can’t keep up. I thought the blogosphere would help promote our books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
Evilgenius333: |
RT @bonnieadamson: Always check in to Ed. Anon. and Query Shark–also, Fuse8, Cynsations & @taralazars blog #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
TaraLazar: |
@EgmontGal PB reject: “I really think the idea behind this one is commercial, but there was not enough strong imagery here.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
auntieflamingo: |
@bonnieadamson Love Ed Annon #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
KellyDHouse: |
but don’t you think that blogs are important so propspective agents/editors can get a sense of who you are? #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
maggiedana: |
Quick aside here: tweetchat dropping posts (again). I apologise if it seems I’m ignoring tweeple. Am now checking my Twitterfeed #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm |
jeanie_w: |
@davidhburton Agreed. #kidlitchat |
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