Kidlitchat Transcript – December 8 (part 2)

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  • mgbuehrlen: Today I covered my desk with post-its — had to figure out a more believable timeline. Just part of the process. #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: A lot of you guys have been critiquers, right? Have u seen someone miss pt of what you wanted to say and glom on to small thing? #kidlitchat
  • PattyJMurphy: RT @mgbuehrlen: @dawnmetcalf But why? ;-) <–LOL, MG! hi, there:) *waving from snowy Chicago* #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: @dutchhillgirl Do you write PBs or novels? I want to rewrite my novel, and plan to try long hand first, since I’m familiar. #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @EgmontGal @MelissadelaCruz So what’s all this about glistening, bare-chested men?!?? #kidlitchat
  • KatGirl_Studio: I write things down quickly when i have and idea and then go back and and fix the spelling and punctuation. #kidlitchat
  • tiffanytrent: @andreacremer @rj_anderson Nevertheless, I’ve had many students who confuse the two. Heck, I did, too, for a while. #kidlitchat
  • paulgreci: @rj_anderson Yes more than tweaks. You have to mess up a manuscript to make it better #kidlitchat
  • KatGirl_Studio: That’s the only revision i have done so far. #kidlitchat
  • MelissadelaCruz: @rj_anderson Me too I just keep revising till they take it away. #kidlitchat
  • melodychamlee: #kidlitchat Discovered on a non-kid project: starting with the screenplay and working backwards gives you the book structure + a screenplay.
  • KevinBloomfield: #kidlitchat Evr try reading to the true customer=kids? Whenever I question my work I show the most honest&brutal people in the world – KIDS!
  • dawnmetcalf: @mgbuehrlen Because we like you! M-O-U-S-Eeeeee! ;-) #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: A lot of revision for me is deep breaths and re-envisioning what needs to happen with the manuscript #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: It rarely happens with contracted works, but sometimes in a critique session I think they aren’t listening at all.What can I do? #kidlitchat
  • tiffanytrent: @AudryT Guess that’s why some folks love Scrivener, eh? (I don’t have Mac anymore, unfortunately). #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @rj_anderson You say you revise a lot while you write. How quickly do you write? #kidlitchat
  • rj_anderson: I’m looking fwd to using Scrivener on my next ms — great for seeing the ms at a glance. Used to keeping it in my head. #kidlitchat
  • cheriwilliams: For me, first part of revision is to print in book form and read like a reader… look at the big picture. #KidLitChat
  • HeatherMcCorkle: #kidlitchat I never used to believe in outlines til I was forced to do one at a retreat & it made me see everything wrong in my story!
  • EgmontGal: @debbieohi @egmontUSA and I and our managing ed went to New Moon last night. We can’t get off the topic. #kidlitchat
  • jemifraser: My 1st revision round is for plot holes, forgotten clues, flow. 2nd round for tightening. Then the find tool for overused words #kidlitchat
  • hannahmosk: @EgmontGal Lead with the most important points. Once they hear something they don’t like, they shut down to the rest. #kidlitchat
  • rj_anderson: @tiffanytrent I confused tweaking and revising for a long time myself. That’s why I’m now an evangelist for re-visioning! #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: @dawnmetcalf I’m a sprawler as I read. I have to see large sections of the work at a time, hence floor throwing #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: @andreacremer @rj_anderson @tiffanytrent Drat. I can’t *stop* tweaking as I go. Pointless when you have to cut 20K in the end. #kidlitchat
  • tiffanytrent: @EgmontGal Yes! I’ve seen someone miss the point so far as to make me wonder if we spoke different languages. #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @DDHearn I found my critique group through the SCBWI. Also just joined another crit group as well. #kidlitchat
  • TaraGebhardt: Long Hand. That would do me in. #kidlitchat
  • KevinBloomfield: #kidlitchat Thanks all! Have to run. Have a good night!
  • bonnieadamson: RT @EgmontGal: Have u seen someone miss pt glom on to small thing?<– yes, but fact they missed pt is enlightening, too. #kidlitchat
  • ChristineTB: I’m careful w/critique groups. Editor had me test one with a mss that was on press. Critiquers said not ready. Sold 60K copies #kidlitchat
  • CNC999: @melodychamlee Cool idea. All of my best scenes play like a movie in my head. #kidlitchat
  • Buffyandrews: @EgmontGal Maybe ask the person to repeat what you said to make sure they get it. #kidlitchat
  • KateMessner: I don’t stop to revise while drafting. I keep list of “known issues” in notebook by computer.That’s my 1st revision to-do list. #kidlitchat
  • cheriwilliams: And to have fresh eyed critiquers read all the way through. #KidLitChat
  • KellyDHouse: Can someone explain Scrivener – is it worth it? #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @EgmontGal I want to go see New Moon! The topic came up at the last #torkidlit tweetup. VERY entertaining discussion. #kidlitchat
  • dutchhillgirl: @DDHearn I write novels and short stories. My muse works better with pen and paper. Then I revise as I type. #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: @AudryT But some editors and some writers have trouble letting go. I still regret a few things I wish I’d done 1 more round with #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: Heard great things about Scrivener. Haven’t tried it, tho’. #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: @dawnmetcalf I have to draft the full ms before I can revise anything. If I revised along the way I would never finish. #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: RT @MardouLedger: What do people mean by beat sheets? #kidlitchat
  • rj_anderson: @debbieohi If all goes well, I can write 1st draft of a 3500-4500 word chapter in 7-10 days. But it’s complete & v. polished. #kidlitchat
  • tiffanytrent: @rj_anderson Ha! My favorite term! And a movement I can also get behind. (Am doing it as we speak…) #kidlitchat
  • EKokie: @DDHearn Good crit group is a gift. A non-effective/bad one can be very bad. Have some “trying you on” period to make sure fit. #kidlitchat
  • KateMessner: @cheriwilliams I use my Kindle for 1st read-through of a draft to make it feel like a book & give me fresh eyes. #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: @Buffyandrews that’s a brilliant idea! Have them repeat it back! Soooo smart. twice this year someone really, really missed it. #kidlitchat
  • MardouLedger: @QueenbeeTF Wow! Your first drafts must be a LOT better than mine. LOL #kidlitchat
  • michailv: We revise while we write. Prevents issues from snowballing. There’s still a major rewrite/revise at the end, too, of course. #kidlitchat
  • ChristineTB: @KellyDHouse Yes – well worth it. It allows me to keep research notes, rearrange chapters, generates outline and 3×5 cards. #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: Me too RT @KateMessner: I dont stop to revise while drafting. I keep list of “known issues” in notebook by computer #kidlitchat
  • jennymckmoss: this conversation is making me want to revise something #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: RT @rj_anderson If all goes well, I can write 1st draft of a 3500-4500 word chpt in 7-10 days. But its complete & v. polished. #kidlitchat
  • sybir: Loving it! Actually open now and working! RT @dawnmetcalf: Heard great things about Scrivener. Haven’t tried it, tho’. #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: @KateMessner What counts as a “known issue”? How do you know it’s there? (v. curious!) #kidlitchat
  • TaraGebhardt: @cheriwilliams I like to print it out too. Double spaced for my trusty sharpy edits. #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @rj_anderson Do you outline first? #kidlitchat
  • elloecho: Does anyone else tape themselves reading their MS and then listen back? My agent rec and it has been an enormous help. #kidlitchat
  • Buffyandrews: @EgmontGal I want to be challenged, for my work to be the best it can be. I would think every writer would want that & trust. #kidlitchat
  • PattyJMurphy: @EgmontGal: So, are you now on Team Edward or Team Jacob? Want to force you to choose…NOW:) #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: @PattyJMurphy WE’re just getting a lot of rain here in SW Virginny. #kidlitchat
  • bonnieadamson: @mitaliperkins You don’t know my Aunt Mabel . . . #kidlitchat
  • sybir: Writing & Project mgmt in one. Definitely worth it! RT @KellyDHouse: Can someone explain Scrivener – is it worth it? #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: @mitaliperkins @debbieohi @EgmontGal @MelissadelaCruz O.O How did I miss *THAT*?! #kidlitchat
  • rj_anderson: @dawnmetcalf Revising as you go may seem like wasted effort to many, but for me, polishing is the joy of writing. #kidlitchat
  • tiffanytrent: @dawnmetcalf @rj_anderson @andreacremer I had to make myself quit. I was getting nowhere w/this novel b/c I kept tinkering. #kidlitchat
  • emilyreads: @mitaliperkins Clearly you haven’t met my aunt Mabel. #kidlitchat
  • MardouLedger: Me too! Getting excited, finally! RT @jennymckmoss: this conversation is making me want to revise something #kidlitchat
  • MardouLedger: Me too! Getting excited, finally! RT @jennymckmoss: this conversation is making me want to revise something #kidlitchat
  • AudryT: @EgmontGal Understood! As my husband has often muttered, “If only I’d had that 12th day,” re: a movie he wrote in 11 days. #kidlitchat
  • Buffyandrews: @EgmontGal And always explain the why so they understand you’re not just being a bitch. #kidlitchat
  • jeanie_w: I keep a list too RT @KateMessner: I don’t stop to revise while drafting. I keep list of “known issues” in notebook by computer.#kidlitchat
  • KateMessner: @dawnmetcalf Known issues = problems I discover while writing but don’t want to stop to fix just then. #kidlitchat
  • mgbuehrlen: For current ms, I wrote complete first draft, got critiques, did 2nd draft, got edit, now working on slicing word count. #kidlitchat
  • jemifraser: @thebookbarr I use “wordle”, then the “find” button under edit – some words sneak in no matter how hard I try :) #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: RT @Buffyandrews @EgmontGal I want to be challenged/for my work 2 be the best it can be. I’d think every writer would want that. #kidlitchat
  • crcook: great info about revising going on now at #kidlitchat
  • crissachappell: @dawnmetcalf sometimes a book feels too…um…floaty until you print it out and touch it and shuffle pages #kidlitchat
  • LaFabuliste: Oooh, #kidlitchat. What an expected surprise!
  • ChristineTB: Read quote somewhere: “When is it time to stop editing?- When it’s not better, just different.” #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: I think if you never have 2nd thoughts about something finished, you may be too complacent or too confident, no? I second guess #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @DDHearn I use MacSpeech sometimes for dictating, not reading out loud. #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: @KevinBloomfield Do you find the kids are really honest, or do they want to make you feel good about yourself? #kidlitchat
  • mgbuehrlen: @PattyJMurphy You’re stealing my focus! (was Team Edward for books, totally Team Jacob for movies.) #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: @KateMessner Wow. That’s discipline! *kermit with envy* #kidlitchat
  • KateMessner: @KellyDHouse Here’s a blog post showing how Scrivener can help w/ revision process: http://bit.ly/2Ddxfw (expand) #kidlitchat
  • jennymckmoss: @MardouLedger I’ll need to read the transcript in a couple of months to get motivated! #kidlitchat
  • rj_anderson: @debbieohi I did 5-7 pg outlines for my last 2 books, but only felt really happy when I stopped looking at them & just wrote! #kidlitchat
  • MelissadelaCruz: @mitaliperkins I blame @EgmontGal ! LOL. Just saw new moon hence shirtless references. #kidlitchat
  • bonnieadamson: I revise for language as I go, but need to have finished ms. to see structure. #kidlitchat
  • RebeccAgent: it’s important for a writer to know WHY they are changing something- and the answer shouldn’t be agent/editor/critiquer said so #kidlitchat
  • cheriwilliams: @KateMessner An e-reader would be great for revisions. That might be the thing that sells me on one! #KidLitChat
  • mgbuehrlen: @EgmontGal Really? I 2nd guess everything I write. Thought it was just b/c I’m a newbie. #kidlitchat
  • MardouLedger: Yes, this. I am still writing. RT @jennymckmoss: I’ll need to read the transcript in a couple of months to get motivated! #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: RT @mgbuehrlen: @PattyJMurphy Youre stealing my focus! (was Team Edward for books, totally Team Jacob for movies.) #kidlitchat
  • amgamble: RT @jeanie_w: Revising is fun. #kidlitchat ~~Lately, conviction that I can fix it in revision is making it hard to finish the actual draft.
  • mitaliperkins: Ahem, back to the subject. Revision. Has anybody brought up @halseanderson‘s great tips this month? http://bit.ly/5YHHEf (expand) #kidlitchat
  • ChristineTB: Scrivener lets you keep “snapshots” of previous revisions so you an always go back and look at an old version of something. #kidlitchat
  • AudryT: All this shirtlessness makes me want to go write my next scene, LOL. #kidlitchat
  • peg366: RT @bonnieadamson: I revise for language as I go, but need to have finished ms. to see structure.Me, too. #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: @PattyJMurphy honey, I am Team Whatever I Can Get. But as my hairdresser Joel said “I’d do that ripped guy.”(sorry! Back OT now) #kidlitchat
  • Buffyandrews: @EgmontGal No second thoughts. If there is a second thought, something’s wrong. Trust your instincts. #kidlitchat
  • rachelarrr: @elloecho Nooo, I hate the sound of my voice recorded, hard to get past that. Luckily I can just make @michailv read it to me. #kidlitchat
  • nkrell: @MelissadelaCruz I have to get in on this. Paul, (From the wolf pack) he was fine! #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: @debbieohi I’d love to find one where we could meet in person. Hard to find PB folks around here, though. #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: @MelissadelaCruz At least we will bleed out happy #kidlitchat
  • TaraGebhardt: @KevinBloomfield YES, kids are the best audience to try things out on. LOVE doing a reading and seeing what makes the cut. #kidlitchat
  • adamselzer: The second draft usually improves the book as much as the first one improved a blank page #kidlitchat
  • KellyDHouse: @KateMessner Awesome! Thx. Concerned that a new gimmick will just distract me. Like FB and Twitter. #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: @MelissadelaCruz yes! That is moment that had Nico and Alison falling out of their chairs. I’ll help you by taking clothes off #kidlitchat
  • cheriwilliams: @EgmontGal Isn’t second guessing yourself part of a writer’s job description? #KidLitChat
  • marybrebner: Struggling with my second revision. End is not working out correctly. Darn it all! #kidlitchat
  • kellybarnhill: Favorite revision truth: finding secrets, images and subtexts that you have no memory of. The book undresses and reveals itself. #kidlitchat
  • jeanie_w: @amgamble I would have thought that would make the first draft easier. #kidlitchat
  • thebbsecret: LOL! RT @MelissadelaCruz B/c wht we really need when we are bleeding from our head is our buff boyfriend to take off his shirt! #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: RT @adamselzer: The second draft usually improves the book as much as the first one improved a blank page #kidlitchat
  • crcook: @dawnmetcalf hello my partner in artistic slasher crime :) #kidlitchat
  • MardouLedger: @mitaliperkins Yes! @halseanderson‘s tips are going to be VERY useful when I get to the revision part. Saving them all. #kidlitchat
  • Buffyandrews: @DDHearn I wrote PB. It was dang difficult. #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: @nkrell But Paul is such a dick in the book! Though very hunkily cast, I concur. #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: @dutchhillgirl I think I am in your camp. My typing is so bad that the constant errors distract me. My pencil never fails. #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: RT @rj_anderson: @mgbuehrlen No, second-guessing everything you write doesnt mean youre a newbie, it means youre a writer. :D #kidlitchat
  • mgbuehrlen: Right now I’m focusing on slashing word count, revamping timeline, tightening secondary plot threads… #kidlitchat
  • carolgrannick: RT@mitaliperkins Has anybody brought up @halseanderson‘s great tips this month? http://bit.ly/5YHHEf (expand) #kidlitchat
  • bonnieadamson: RT @mitaliperkins: Has anybody brought up @halseanderson‘s great tips this mo.? http://bit.ly/5YHHEf (expand) <–yes, but it bears RTing! #kidlitchat
  • elloecho: @rachelarrr I hate my voice too, but man is it ever helpful to hear your ms read out loud. #kidlitchat
  • andreacremer: @marybrebner Getting the ending right is always one of the toughest spots for me #kidlitchat
  • dawnmetcalf: @tiffanytrent @rj_anderson @andreacremer Me: *tinker tinker* I’m sorry? What? You want PLOT? Silly me… (drat, they noticed.) #kidlitchat
  • EgmontGal: @cheriwilliams I thought it might interest you to know that editors sometimes do that, too. We rethink. That’s human nature. #kidlitchat
  • TracyMarchini: … I think I came into #kidlitchat at the wrong time.. lions, and tigers, and wolf packs – oh my!
  • AudryT: RT@kellybarnhill [In revisions] the book undresses and reveals itself. #kidlitchat
  • DDHearn: @EKokie I would think you would have to have a lot of confidence in yourself for a critique group. Otherwise could overwhelm. #kidlitchat
  • SarahDarerLitt: RT @kellybarnhill: Fave revision truth: finding secrets, images & subtexts. The book undresses & reveals itself. #kidlitchat
  • PattyJMurphy: RT @EgmontGal: @PattyJMurphy honey, I am Team Whatever I Can Get.” <–LOL. Okay, I’ll behave now. Promise. (BTW: I’m Team Eddie) #kidlitchat
  • debbieohi: @thunderchikin Hm..I’ve never used MacSpeech to read aloud. I should try that. Would make it easier on my voice! #kidlitchat
  • nkrell: @EgmontGal I don’t remember him from the book. It’s been a while. New hunk…Daniel from The Dark Divine! #kidlitchat
  • bonnieadamson: @DDHearn But my pencil wants to doodle and sketch in the margins. Keyboard keeps me writing! :-) #kidlitchat
  • rachelarrr: @elloecho I believe it! I’m sure I could get used to it eventually… maybe. #kidlitchat
  • marybrebner: Cork board & index cards are saving grace. So’s printing out the entire manuscript & writing all over it. Multicolored MS! #kidlitchat
  • jennymckmoss: RT @kellybarnhill: Favorite revision truth: finding secrets, images and subtexts that you have no memory of. #kidlitchat
  • melodychamlee: #kidlitchat using 4 act structure and 4th version beat sheet I did a screenplay in 2 wks. Edits took 2 more wks. Recommended over outlines.

9:12 pm    dlschubert:     @LaFabuliste http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.html #kidlitchat
9:15 pm    sarahockler:     @PattyJMurphy @dlschubert check http://www.literatureandlatte.com/links.html for Scriv-esque Windows apps #kidlitchat
9:16 pm    dlschubert:     @arthurslade Night! #kidlitchat
9:16 pm    hatbooks:     RT @gregpincus: TOPIC: How do you approach revisions? Any tips from the pros? #kidlitchat <Missed chat today but look forward to transcript!
9:16 pm    peg366:     @PattyJMurphy Hello Patty. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm    loniedwards:     @DDHearn I have invites available if anyone would like to try google wave #kidlitchat
9:16 pm    LaFabuliste:     And do I need to be connected to internet to use it? #kidlitchat
9:17 pm    KarenCollum:     @stephanieruble And if someone wants to go to trouble of hacking Google for my WIP then maybe they can have it LOL #kidlitchat
9:17 pm    sarahockler:     @MardouLedger Did Scrivener built in tutorial, up & running like a pro in less than an hour. Learn more every time I use it. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm    stephanieruble:     @sarahockler Thanks. Was trying to find the PC Scrivner options, but wasn’t as fast as you are. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm    bonnieadamson:     Thanks, all–got distracted following up on fascinating leads during chat. Check back later for the transcript (as will I!) #kidlitchat

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