Kidlitchat Transcript – August 4th
(click here for part two of the transcript)
| 7:59 pm | bonnieadamson: | Hello, all–welcome! #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | bonnieadamson: | Topic 1: We’ll start with community: how many of you are in critique groups Online/in-person Nice or an absolute necessity #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | EgmontUSA: | @elanaroth! Hi Elana! Just chime in. #kidlitchat |
| 8:00 pm | joycelansky: | @elanaroth You’re great advice is always special. #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | gregpincus: | @elanaroth just jump in when the fancy or topic strikes #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | jeanie_w: | Hello, everyone! #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | elanaroth: | @joycelansky Thanks, Joyce  #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @bonnieadamson I’m in an IRL crit group, plus have online betas & crit partners. #kidlitchat |
| 8:01 pm | Lisa_Frame: | I am actively searching. Most of the groups in my area deal with prose/poetry, so it has been difficult. Necessity. #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | EngridE1: | @bonnieadamson Unfortunately, I’m not a member of a group. I’ve been told by so many people that it’s very important to join #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | gregpincus: | I had a screenwriting group for almost a decade. We called it “group” cuz it was more like therapy than just critiques! #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | joycelansky: | @bonnieadamson I have a great online critique group. We exchanged full manuscripts each month but may slow down due to time. #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | jeanie_w: | I’m in a small in-person crit group. We haven’t been very active recently. #kidlitchat |
| 8:02 pm | Daily_Pinch: | In #kidlitchat right now. Love it. |
| 8:02 pm | bonnieadamson: | Anyone have tips on finding a group #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @bonnieadamson I do think it’s a necessity to have other people read & crit, whether formal group or not. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | I’m part of the Verla Kay community and an online critique group. Both invaluable #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | joycelansky: | @EngridE1 Each yr we have groups at SCBWI conf. Ours continued throughout the yr. If you like your group, suggest it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | KellyDHouse: | I’d love to hear if ya’ll have succesful groups for novel-length works. And how you do it, if so. #kidlitchat |
| 8:03 pm | MayaPublicity: | #kidlitchat no group & have trouble trusting people for opinions. i pick out a few… see if they have time, and take their words to heart. |
| 8:04 pm | SarahRettger: | #kidlitchat Online critique group has been *huge* for me – so necessary to get another perspective when I’ve known chars for months. |
| 8:04 pm | EngridE1: | I was on @DonnaKozik ’s tele-seminar today about writing buddies, but a critique group is different right #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | jeanie_w: | @bonnieadamson My group formed after a local SCBWI conference last summer. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | gregpincus: | I have done in person and online groups and find both work well. But I can’t imagine not having folks who I trust to read me #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @bonnieadamson I found my IRL group because we were in the same MFA program. Betas/Crit partner found online in various places #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | joycelansky: | @KellyDHouse Our group is successful, but I do think a few folks sugar coat crits. #kidlitchat |
| 8:04 pm | crineyz: | hi everybody this is my 1st time #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EngridE1 Good question–how is a crit group diff. from writing buddy #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @SarahRettger That’s true. Because we tend to have a soft spot for characters. Where a critique groups helps see them as is. #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | EngridE1: | @MayaPublicity That’s my problem. How do you know their opinion is valid Do you need to be with published authors and aspiring #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | crineyz: | your local library #kidlitchat |
| 8:05 pm | cheriwilliams: | @bonnieadamson I’m in several in-person crit groups. *Must* have! #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | swdillard: | @bonnieadamson, yes I ‘d love tips on finding a group-I have friends I get together with, but its very informal, would like more #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | crineyz: | we have a group called DAWG #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | thereadingzone: | Hey everyone! I finally made it on time to the # kidlitchat! #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | cheriwilliams: | @gregpincus I agree. A good crit group provides therapy! #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | joycelansky: | @bonnieadamson Each member has a specialty. One’s good @ description, another finds dangling modifiers, a great editor in group. #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | jeanie_w: | @KellyDHouse I have trouble getting readers for novel length. People don’t want to commit to more than 10 pages a month #kidlitchat |
| 8:06 pm | bonnieadamson: | @swdillard Found mine through SCBWI message boards. #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | leewind: | #kidlitchat I have a great in-person group, but when a work is far enough along, it needs (I need) fresh eyeballs (that sounds zombieish!) |
| 8:07 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | not everyone is an editor, but most are critical readers. Especially writers.I learn as much from critiquing as being critiqued #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | gregpincus: | Here in the LA/So-Cal area, the local SCBWI group has a thing called Critique Connections to match folks up #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | KellyDHouse: | @joycelansky so do you sub a chapter at a time page limit word limit Is it on-line or in-person #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | EngridE1: | @crineyz And DAWG = ____ ______ Writers Group #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | peggysbooks: | @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat absolutely necessary – AND nice. My crit group gathered through PBAA, and are all published author/illustrators. |
| 8:07 pm | bonnieadamson: | What happens when your group knows you TOO well #kidlitchat |
| 8:07 pm | gregpincus: | I am curious if the agents/editors here encourage writers to have groups… or find it can dilute “voice” #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | leewind: | RT @HeleneBoudreau: I learn as much from critiquing as being critiqued – sometimes even MORE! #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | aecbks: | What do you expect from your crit group First reads to see if you’re on right track Encouragement Or… #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | joycelansky: | @jeanie_w If the story’s good, reading novel length is great. If not, it’s awful. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @HeleneBoudreau: I learn as much from critiquing as being critiqued. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | EngridE1: | @bonnieadamson Great idea as to where to possibly find a group. #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | KellyDHouse: | @jeanie_w That’s what I’m finding. The problem is, how do you crit. a chapter if you don’t know how it fits overall #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | joellewrites: | I have readers but rarely read for them (2 don’t write fiction, 1 has other readers, 1 is newly writing). I NEED THEM! #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | PaulWesman: | @gregpincus #kidlitchat Was in group a couple of years ago but turned into too much therapy, too little real help or critiquing. |
| 8:08 pm | leewind: | @bonnieadamson when your group knows you too well that’s when they’re more cheerleaders and you need fresh eyeballs! #kidlitchat |
| 8:08 pm | jeanie_w: | @EngridE1 I have trouble finding folks as motivated as I am. Other members of my grp don’t read enuf. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | joycelansky: | @KellyDHouse Each month, someone sends a full manuscript. We take turns sending ours. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | elanaroth: | Agent here: I think crit groups are an important stage for writers. You can’t write in a vacuum. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | aecbks: | I encourage it. Esp if reading aloud is involved. Sometimes a writer can’t hear how it sounds outside their own head. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | KellyDHouse: | @joycelansky @jeanie w Good point. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | cheriwilliams: | @gregpincus We definitely have to be careful to stay true to our voice. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | bonnieadamson: | @aecbks I think you have to specify what you’re looking for. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | kdueykduey: | @HeleneBoudreau I, too, have learned as much or more by reading others work as I have by having them read mine.#kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | KellyDHouse: | RT @leewind: RT @HeleneBoudreau: I learn as much from critiquing as being critiqued – sometimes even MORE! I AGREE! #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | bonnieadamson: | @leewind Yes–but still good for support! #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | RebeccaMather: | @bonnieadamson @swdillard Found mine through SCBWI message boards. #kidlitchat tried that, my area req published only  |
| 8:09 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat Their opinion on your MS may be cushioned so not to hurt feelings |
| 8:09 pm | EngridE1: | RT @bonnieadamson: @swdillard Found mine through SCBWI message boards. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | aecbks: | @cheriwilliams Yes, that’s important, too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:09 pm | joycelansky: | @bonnieadamson We receive everyone’s crits on each manuscript. We can learn even if it’s not our work. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | gregpincus: | @aecbks I expect honesty from smart readers who are familiar with the field I’m writing in ( be it poetry, MG novels, etc.) #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | EgmontUSA: | Alison taking an editorial/publisher stand. I think it’s really important to have others come to your work with fresh eyes. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | leewind: | #kidlitchat about critiques – I’ve found it’s best to be really clear in your INTENT for the read. Spouse encouragement. colleague honesty |
| 8:10 pm | bonnieadamson: | @RebeccaMather Boo! I like a good mix of pub/unpub. #kidlitchat |
| 8:10 pm | maggiedana: | @elanaroth I’d never write in a vacuum. Mine’s full of spider corpses. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | kdueykduey: | @leewind My first crit group was a small town writer’s group–ALL cheerleaders, not critters. Loved ‘em, but quit the group. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat can anybody tell me is there and exception to the word count rule |
| 8:11 pm | mayabidaya: | woh #kidlitchat, for some reason my work name was being connected with this account |
| 8:11 pm | RebeccaMather: | would really like the opportunity to be critiqued by more adv. understand that more adv may not want to but it would help much! #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | lovebiscuits: | I’ve been looking for an illustrators crtique group. Serious college-style critiquing. No sugar-coating! #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | elanaroth: | Tacking on to @EgmontUSA: fresh eyes on big picture stuff might be the most useful. Weak areas…believability of characters… #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | peggysbooks: | @BonnieAdamson #kidlitchat and not to mention an amazing bunch of people – have you thought about joining www.picturebookartists.org |
| 8:11 pm | jeanie_w: | No one else in my group writes MG. They’re also not reading much currently published work. Frustrating. #kidlitchat |
| 8:11 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat i’m sorry I’mreferring to MG/YA |
| 8:12 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @crineyz Which “rule” are you talking about #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | gregpincus: | @crineyz what’s the word count rule #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | bonnieadamson: | @lovebiscuits LOL “college style” brings back memories of total terror in critiques. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | RebeccaMather: | @bonnieadamson that would be my ideal too! #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | aecbks: | @jeanie_w Do you perhaps need a second group #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | cheriwilliams: | @EgmontUSA In our group we sometimes have someone else read our piece. It helps writer get a feel for how *fresh eyes* sees it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:12 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @jeanie_w Sounds frustrating #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | joycelansky: | @jeanie_w I learn a lot from reading work. Those who don’t read kid lit often lack a good voice in my opinion. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @jeanie_w You have to read. I don’t understand how you can write for a certain group w/o staying on top of things. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | EngridE1: | Can you have an online critique group #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | gregpincus: | @crineyz I’ve never heard of a rule. Love that Dog is MG as is, arguably, the Harry Potter cannon. What rule #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | peggysbooks: | @BonnieAdamson RT @HeleneBoudreau: I learn as much from critiquing as being critiqued. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | aecbks: | RT @joycelansky: @jeanie_w I learn a lot from reading work. Those who dont read kid lit often lack a good voice in my opinion. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | KellyDHouse: | @jeanie_w I agree. Sounds like you need a new group. #kidlitchat |
| 8:13 pm | elanaroth: | General Q: Do your crit groups ever function as book clubs also I have an agent book club and I love it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EngridE1 Absolutely–sometimes the only way. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @EngridE1 Yes. Rules are set up about submission, how often, turn in dates, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | cheriwilliams: | @elanaroth I agree. We need fresh eyes to read the entire project. Much gets lost in chapter by chapter crits. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @crineyz I think it depends on how much over typical WC you are & the genre #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | kdueykduey: | @EngridE1 Many people have online crit groups….#kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | joycelansky: | @EngridE1 Absolutely! That’s what we do. We got together this summer for a writers’ retreat & had a blast too. #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | mayabidaya: | #kidlitchat the truth is, i’d rather work on my own than put my writing in the hands of people whose opinions i don’t trust |
| 8:14 pm | Deetie: | #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @elanaroth My crit group is also in my book club, but when we get together we’re always rec’ing books to each other #kidlitchat |
| 8:14 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat I was told my MS was too long for a 1st book124,733 words, was told 100,000 was standard |
| 8:14 pm | RebeccaMather: | I’m going to go read a couple of books to my little kiddos right now. Will be back. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth yes, we discuss new finds, recommend craft books, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | maggiedana: | @gregpincus I believe ‘guidelines’ for word count. Mid-grade 20-30k; YA 60-90k. Of course, H. Potter circumnavigated those. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | elizaosborn: | Hey, are nobodies like me allowed to hang out here #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | JennBailey: | My critique group is an blending of published, unpublished and very newbie. It works beautifully because we trust each other. #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | thereadingzone: | @crineyz I teach middle schoolers-I have some students read short verse novls & some read 500+pg. Don’t see word cnt rule in RL #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | jeanie_w: | @elanaroth That’s a good idea. Crit grp members could also read published work and discuss #kidlitchat |
| 8:15 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @crineyz 100,000 is sometimes considered long, too #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | KellyDHouse: | @elanaroth I have a group that is also a “journal club” of sorts. once a month someone presents on a topic writing related #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | joycelansky: | @mayabidaya I think you must learn to trust people. My writing has improved so much from other writer’s crits. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | bonnieadamson: | @elizaosborn Feel free! #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | EngridE1: | @Lisa_Frame Interesting. Due to injured hip, can’t go to SCBWI09 or drive at present. Need to check out online peeps. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | kdueykduey: | @mayabidaya But critiquing prepares you for being edited, as well as give you a fresh take on your work. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | maggiedana: | @elizaosborn Welcome, and you’re not a nobody. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | mayabidaya: | @elizaosborn #kidlitchat if you were truly nobody, you wouldn’t have hands to type with |
| 8:16 pm | johnlechner: | I love critique groups, but the time commitment is huge – all the reading sometimes takes time from writing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | aecbks: | Some crit groups pool resources and invite an editor to read their mss and critique along with them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | gregpincus: | @elizaosborn you’re certainly allowed, but not as a nobody. just as you! #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | My crit group gives great reading recs. Plus, we are a multipublished group so members’ books are always coming out. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | EngridE1: | @elizaosborn Welcome! Nobody is a nobody here. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | Gwenda: | I don’t really show until I have a full draft now, if I can help it. Then ask those whose opinions I respect most to read. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | joycelansky: | @JennBailey I’m the only member of my group who is unpublished, but they still keep me on the island. #kidlitchat |
| 8:16 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat my opinion was if its not full of descripts and vital part of MS then how does too many matter |
| 8:17 pm | kdueykduey: | @elizaosborn YES! #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | elanaroth: | @jeanie_w Yes. The way the agents and I talk about book with an eye to market and editors, you can do it for craft comparison. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | gregpincus: | @johnlechner I view things like reading, critiquing, and platform building as part of the writing career #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat i was told this by and agent |
| 8:17 pm | JennBailey: | @joycelansky You must totally rate then. Good for you! REPRESENT!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | Gwenda: | The trouble in a beginning may be located at the end, and you won’t know unless you have one. #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @crineyz Mine was slightly longer than what you just said yours is, and I cut some 20,000+ words in my last edit #kidlitchat |
| 8:17 pm | mayabidaya: | @joycelansky #kidlitchat , i welcome crit, but not from people i don’t trust. for me it would be like letting a stranger into my home alone |
| 8:18 pm | leewind: | #kidlitchat re: time commitment. Maybe setting parameters: ie., 10 pages you do line edits. Full novels, you talk big picture only |
| 8:18 pm | jeanie_w: | @elanaroth Thanks. I think I’ll propose that for our next meeting. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | kdueykduey: | At this stage, I usually have 1 or 2 friends read the whole first draft and comment. Then I read for them when they need me.#kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | johnlechner: | @gregpincus True, you learn so much from reading others’ works. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | kathleenfoucart: | I feel like you have to learn to take crit or how will you ever get through editing processes Learn to roll with it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | elizaosborn: | @bonnieadamson @maggiedana @EngridE1 @mayabidaya @kduekduey @gregpincus Thanks, all! #kidlitchat |
| 8:18 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat So should i consider cutting it, or stand up for my words! |
| 8:18 pm | aecbks: | RT @leewind: #kidlitchat re: time commitment. Maybe setparameters: 10 pages you do line edits. Full novels,talk big picture only #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | joycelansky: | @mayabidaya I understand what you mean now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | janetleecarey: | Hey glad to be here at the tweetchat Hi to Kathleen Duey and all #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | aecbks: | Some authors also take their work into classrooms. Kids are so honest. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | bonnieadamson: | Yes, hard to critique a chapter at a time when you don’t know here it’s headed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:19 pm | KellyDHouse: | What’s the opinion of the value of a critique if the sub is still a WIP #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | janetleecarey: | crit can be hard to hear but helps get ready for the long editorial letters when book is bought #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | joycelansky: | With TweetChat, I can actually keep up tonight. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | bonnieadamson: | @janetleecarey Hi, Janet! #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | swdillard: | @aecbks honest, yes, but I did that a week ago and kids insisted I kill of a squirrel. This was a picture book #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | KellyDHouse: | I feel that a I give a better critique if I can see the work as a whole, rather than a chapt. at a time. #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | cheriwilliams: | @aecbks Totally. Adult readers are great, but I like to have my ms read by target kids too! #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | gregpincus: | Critiquing and learning to be critiqued are great skills to have. Notes are an opportunity #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | joycelansky: | @KellyDHouse I don’t understand. Aren’t they all WIPs #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | leewind: | #kidlitchat @bonnieadamson but a chapter at a time is how we read books… as long as you’re getting them in order, what’s the prob |
| 8:20 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @KellyDHouse I use ch. by ch. critique to know if I’m headed in the right direction & if I’m consistent with what came before #kidlitchat |
| 8:20 pm | janetleecarey: | I never reach the end of novel chapter at a time with crit group before I have to send it in. takes forever #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | jeanie_w: | @aecbks Sometimes kids are honest. Sometimes they’re too shy to be helpful. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @KellyDHouse: I feel that a I give a better critique if I can see the work as a whole, rather than a chapt. at a time.<-Agree #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | elizaosborn: | @KellyDHouse I critique the same way. I need to know the whole story before I nitpick. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | JennBailey: | @crineyz Have you written the story you wanted to write Is this a first pass or have you massaged it already #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | peg366: | #kidlitchat. Great group of people with dif skill sets .Lot of constructive feedback. I am also inSCBWI and some want to exchange c rits. |
| 8:21 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @gregpincus Great point! Notes are *such* a good opportunity to learn more about your own work! #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat S@gregpincus i was told by agent 124,733 was too many words for 1st book |
| 8:21 pm | kdueykduey: | @joycelansky I am more impressed by the idea of keeping up here than you can imagine….#kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | elanaroth: | I’ve always found kids want to make you happy and tell you what they think you want to hear. Which is that they liked it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | joycelansky: | @janetleecarey That’s why I like having one person’s novel each month. #kidlitchat |
| 8:21 pm | janetleecarey: | Yes to work as a whole — but talking 340 pags sometimes. Hum . . . #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | EngridE1: | I second that question. RT @KellyDHouse: Whats the opinion of the value of a critique if the sub is still a WIP #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | EgmontUSA: | I think learning to process feedback is a skill, just like writing. To get better at it, you just need to keep wokring on it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | elanaroth: | @crineyz Yes that is way too many words!! #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | Critiquing and being critiqued also prepares writers for the editorial process… #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | bonnieadamson: | @leewind When purposely holding back some information from reader #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @HeleneBoudreau: Critiquing and being critiqued also prepares writers for the editorial process… #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | johnlechner: | @KellyDHouse I agree, about reading the entire work as opposed to single chapters. Big picture comments are often more essential #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | leewind: | RT @joycelansky: @janetleecarey That’s why I like having one person’s novel each month. #kidlitchatI like this idea! |
| 8:22 pm | Gwenda: | @kdueykduey Likewise! I usually sit here and think and the convo moves right on. #kidlitchat |
| 8:22 pm | kdueykduey: | @bonnieadamson I agree about seeing the whole thing…but have done crits for friends who were stuck…too….#kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | joycelansky: | @elanaroth True. Unless they’re your own kids. Then they are brutal. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | janetleecarey: | my crit group taught me how to handle editorial letters with verve and nerve #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @EgmontUSA Yes! And processing feedback, IMO, is a *very* good skill to learn! #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | elanaroth: | @joycelansky Ha. Yes, then they just want to piss you off. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | Gwenda: | Feedback really is essential. Sometimes it is the only–and fastest–way to get distance from your own work and see it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:23 pm | LaurelSnyder: | @elanaroth Yup! Kids I’ve done school visits with give me “50 billions of stars” when they review me #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | kdueykduey: | @Gwenda me, too. There are 93 new tweets since I began typing this…#kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | Lisa_Frame: | I am lucky to have a friend who is a Kindergarten teacher. She reads mine to her kids and gauges reactions for me. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | bonnieadamson: | It’s hardest for me not to try to “explain” #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | janetleecarey: | I don’t like getting feedback too soon — going analytical when I’m still in my Dream Mind #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | joycelansky: | @elanaroth Especially teenagers or young adult kids. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | AnnaZiska: | @cheriwilliams are you talking about YA novels to be read by target kids #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | Gwenda: | But in a peer workshop setting I learn just as much from giving notes on the work of others. #kidlitchat |
| 8:24 pm | aecbks: | @kdueykduey Use tweetchat.com to keep up. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | LaurelSnyder: | @bonnieadamson Me too! That’s my biggest fight. That, and a strong arc. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | mimking: | The best part — my critique friends expect me to write something worth reading every 2 weeks — love a deadline! #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | cheriwilliams: | @elanaroth: @joycelansky My kids are great editors. But they’re pretty pricey  #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | peg366: | I keep a hard copy of all crits of my work to review periodically to keep my mind fresj. #kidlitchat. |
| 8:25 pm | kathleenfoucart: | IMO, great critique is priceless and can mean the diff. btw making something publishable or not. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | janetleecarey: | Yes Gwenda to peer workshop notes #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | kdueykduey: | @janetleecarey This is true for me, too. I don’t show early stage work. Tho I will talk it with certain friends. #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat okay i did that wrong, Should i stick or cut |
| 8:25 pm | jeanie_w: | RT @janetleecarey: I don’t like getting feedback too soon — going analytical when I’m still in my Dream Mind #kidlitchat |
| 8:25 pm | bonnieadamson: | @LaurelSnyder Oh, the agony of the arc! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | cheriwilliams: | @AnnaZiska I write middle grade. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | JennBailey: | @Lisa_Frame That’s wonderful. They don’t have to worry about hurting your feelings because you aren’t there. Great set-up #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | aecbks: | Sometimes it’s hard when an author says “but my critique group loved it.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | peg366: | RT @janetleecarey: my crit group taught me how to handle editorial letters with verve and nerve #kidlitchat Like that approach. |
| 8:26 pm | joycelansky: | @cheriwilliams Oh, you’re in trouble if your paying them. Don’t give my kids that idea. #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @crineyz Not necessarily just “cut” willy-nilly- edit! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | gregpincus: | Just a reminder – I’ll post a transcript (at some point soon) so you can follow up on points later #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | peg366: | RT @mimking: The best part — my critique friends expect me to write something worth reading every 2 weeks — love a deadline! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @mimking: The best part — my critique friends expect me to write something worth reading every 2 weeks — love a deadline! #kidlitchat |
| 8:26 pm | kdueykduey: | @Gwenda I have learned MORE critting that being critted. Once you pick out a problem. you see it in your own stuff afterward…#kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | janetleecarey: | Yes to acebks — who wants to hear “but my critique group loved it! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | leewind: | @kdueykduey totally agree. finally learned not to show anything until 1st draft (with ending) complete! #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | @janetleecarey Yes, feedback too early in the game can squash the creative process. I like to get a shizzy first draft down 1st #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | bonnieadamson: | @peg366 haha–great minds . . . #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | EngridE1: | @johnlechner So then if all you have is a WIP, you should wait to join a group #kidlitchat |
| 8:27 pm | Gwenda: | @kdueykduey Yes, ABSOLUTELY. And also hearing the opinions of other smart people on the same ms. Always great. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | KellyDHouse: | I am very motivated by a deadline. For me, that’s the best value of a critique group right now. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | joycelansky: | @kdueykduey Or I’ll read a great author & see that he/she doesn’t something well. Then it becomes a focus when I crit. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @kdueykduey I agree- seeing my crit partners doing x, y and z that I catch made me realize when *I* do the same things #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | leewind: | @bonnieadamson YES! ccountability of a critique group – knowing they’re expecting pages or you’ll have to explain, is impt! #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | jeanie_w: | @aecbks Tell them to have their crit grp represent them then. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat Thats why i ended up with so many words revising. Did i revise it to death. |
| 8:28 pm | leewind: | #kidlitchat that’s “Accountability” of a critique group is impt! |
| 8:28 pm | PaulWesman: | #kidlitchat Maybe already covered: Has anyone seen useful guidelines for starting new local group |
| 8:28 pm | AuthoressAnon: | @elanaroth Except the honest ones. I had one kid who came right out and told me my story needed more blood in it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:28 pm | bonnieadamson: | @crineyz That’s always a danger: over-revising. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @leewind Indeed it is. “accountability” is key. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @crineyz Sounds like you need to do another draft. Get “Self Editing for Fiction Writers” & see if it helps you. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | RebeccaMather: | I’m happy you’re talking about crit groups tonight. Do you think online critiquing is helpful #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | janetleecarey: | yeah you can revise it to death and lose the love. Then it’s time to stop and get refueled! #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | joellewrites: | @elanaroth My 2 teen readers (1st time I used them) were HARSH! They loved Restoring Harmony, but called me on every lame thing. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | elizaosborn: | Yeah, over-revising — when I first revised for an agent, I messed the book up even more. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | bonnieadamson: | @PaulWesman When we had three, we proclaimed ourselves a group–then others joined. #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | KellyDHouse: | Had a group once where the person subbing couldn’t talk while the others discussed their work. Torture, but very enlightening #kidlitchat |
| 8:29 pm | gregpincus: | @bonnieadamson - shall I toss out the next topic… or shall you Crit group talk will continue, of course…. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | kathleenfoucart: | As much as I love Twitter, sometimes hard having in-depth convos in 140 characters! Yeesh… #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | elanaroth: | @AuthoressAnon I got a fan letter to R.L. Stine once that said, “I loved Goosebumps but Mostly Ghostly could have been better.” #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | JennBailey: | Gotta go work on SCBWI stuff. Hope to meet a lot of you at the Tweet-up this Friday. 9pm in the Lobby #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | johnlechner: | @EngridE1 I think anytime is good to join a crit group, no matter what stage the work is in. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | AudryT: | Hmmm, from fragments I’m catching, #kidlitchat sounds very compelling. |
| 8:30 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat Yep i got a whole lotsa more ideas. God am i my own worst enemy |
| 8:30 pm | KellyDHouse: | @elizaosborn big fear of mine. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | jeanie_w: | @PaulWesman @beckylevine has a book on crit grps coming out in January from Writers Digest books #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | elanaroth: | @joellewrites Teens are way different than kids. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | bonnieadamson: | @gregpincus Over to you! #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | joycelansky: | @KellyDHouse We do that to. It forces you to listen if you can’t talk. #kidlitchat |
| 8:30 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat But in my defense if feel like it got more interesting. |
| 8:31 pm | kdueykduey: | @AuthoressAnon My husband read a scene and said, these are young men, they would not yell. They’d fight. And he was right….#kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | joycelansky: | @kathleenfoucart Twitter teaches one to be concise. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | janetleecarey: | I like strong critique but not so strong I leave the group feeling way depressed. #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | RebeccaMather: | @jeanie_w @PaulWesman has a book on crit grps coming out in January from Writers Digest books #kidlitchat perfect! |
| 8:31 pm | kdueykduey: | @AudryT compelling, but hard to keep up! #kidlitchat |
| 8:31 pm | elizaosborn: | @KellyDHouse Couldn’t work on the book for 9 months after that. WORSE than being pregnant some days. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | PaulWesman: | @jeanie_w #kidlitchat Thanks for the info! |
| 8:32 pm | peg366: | @RebeccaMather A good group is worth its weight in gold. #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | janetleecarey: | Cool your husband read the scene and said that Kathleen! #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | KellyDHouse: | @joycelansky AND it makes your work speak for itself. If you have to explain, you haven’t done what you’re supposed to 1st time #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | johnlechner: | @KellyDHouse That’s a good policy sometimes, to have the author silent during critique, as long as reviewers don’t pile it on #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | bonnieadamson: | Lost you, Greg. Topic 2: Do you/should you pay attention to trends #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat Sounds like the word count can be a bit tricky. |
| 8:32 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @joycelansky That it does! #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | gregpincus: | Do you all think it’s important to know the trends… and/or follow them Steampunk is big, for example. Does that influence ou #kidlitchat |
| 8:32 pm | joellewrites: | @RebeccaMather All of my readers (critique group) except one live elsewhere and we work by email. Works fine. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | janetleecarey: | As to “explaining” I agree — work needs to stand on its own two feet or four paws or whatever #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | KellyDHouse: | RT @elizaosborn: @KellyDHouse Couldnt work on the book for 9 months after that. WORSE than being pregnant some days. Whoa! #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | jeanie_w: | @RebeccaMather It’s @beckylevine who’s writing the book on crit grps #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | joycelansky: | @janetleecarey I worry that I’m too harsh with my crits. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | RebeccaMather: | @janetleecarey I like strong critique but not so strong I leave the group feeling way depressed. #kidlitchat that would be me too |
| 8:33 pm | elanaroth: | Only pay attention to trends if it means you’re well informed about what’s already out there. Do not write TO them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | mayabidaya: | #kidlitchat - i only pay attention to trends if something has been overdone… i think timeliness should be intuitive, not contrived |
| 8:33 pm | kathleenfoucart: | I’ve heard “don’t write for trends but be aware of them.” I don’t think I could write well for a trend only. #kidlitchat |
| 8:33 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat trends come and go to fast, maybe if you’re already and established author. |
| 8:34 pm | swdillard: | @bonnieadamson I think paying attention to trends doesn’t work because what we do now won’t come out until the trend has peaked.#kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | janetleecarey: | Okay to know about the trends — but the work is the work — being trendy isn’t particularly true to writing process. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | jeanie_w: | @gregpincus If you start writing steampunk now, it’ll won’t be popular anymore by the time you’ve finished it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | joycelansky: | @gregpincus I don’t know. The current trend is vampire books but so many are out there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @bonnieadamson @gregpincus Yes. I am aware of them, read them to see what’s new, but write with my own voice. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | bonnieadamson: | Also: what trends do you see now Steampunk, zombies still biggies #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | RebeccaMather: | @jeanie_w thanks I realized my error when I saw @PaulWesman post his appreciation #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | aecbks: | RT @elanaroth: Only pay attention to trends if it means youre well informed about whats already out there. Do not write TO them. #kidlitchat |
| 8:34 pm | crineyz: | @kathleenfoucart #kidlitchat gosh thank you for that! |
| 8:35 pm | mimking: | There’s a learned art to critiquing, framing negative comments between positive ones. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | janetleecarey: | Just how many vampires can we take anyway #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | kathleenfoucart: | I sometimes get an idea for a topic that’s trendy now, but by the time I’d be done & ready w/ book, it would be years past it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | joellewrites: | @elanaroth Ahh…kids…teens. Yes. Missed the original post. Discussion moves too fast for Ol Slow Joe to keep up. Have fun! #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | KellyDHouse: | @RebeccaMather A good critique points out the strengths as well as the weaknesses #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | KellyDHouse: | @bonnieadamson OK, I’ve got my head burried in fantasy. What is Steampunk #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | gregpincus: | Personally, I prefer to START the trends. I’ll let you all know when I succeed…. #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat Dont forget the vampires |
| 8:35 pm | bonnieadamson: | Agents/editors–do you expect authors to know where their work fits within trends #kidlitchat |
| 8:35 pm | RebeccaMather: | @joycelansky joycelansky @gregpincus The current trend is vampire books but so many are out there. #kidlitchat > too true. |
| 8:36 pm | mimking: | Figuring out how to make someone else’s story better, helps me become a better writer. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | aecbks: | Not trends but sensibilities. Goes back to reading current books, understanding kids, teens today. #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | AudryT: | Just how many books about middle-aged women can we take All of them. RT Just how many vampires can we take anyway #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | janetleecarey: | Sometimes writers are so far ahead of the trends — the book takes a few years to sell as it “doesn’t fit” YET #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | jeanie_w: | Knowing folks are buying steampunk now is helpful if you already have a completed steampunk work #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @mimking I agree! I try to start w/ “This aspect was great!” & move into “this & this needs work” & end the crit positively #kidlitchat |
| 8:36 pm | peg366: | RT @mimking: There’s a learned art to critiquing, framing negative comments between positive ones. #kidlitchat I agree, |
| 8:36 pm | elanaroth: | @bonnieadamson Sort of. I expect authors to know how their work compares to other published and successful books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | EngridE1: | @KellyDHouse Fantasy with Victorian thrown in. I had to Google it weeks ago. #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | kathleenfoucart: | @janetleecarey That’s a very good point re: not fitting trend yet. Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | mitaliperkins: | Right now: #kidlitchat. |
| 8:37 pm | jeanie_w: | RT @gregpincus: Personally, I prefer to START the trends. I’ll let you all know when I succeed…. #kidlitchat You and me both! |
| 8:37 pm | sarahshum: | Where your work fits: Yes, authors should know who their work is for, who the audience is, where it belongs on shelves #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | AudryT: | I have zero interest in writing steampunk. Wearing it, on the other hand… #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth So, if there’s nothing else like it out there, that’s not a good thing #kidlitchat |
| 8:37 pm | janetleecarey: | We’ll watch you jeanie w #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | EgmontUSA: | @bonnieadamson I expect writers to know what’s out there, and to have some sense of where thier books will fit in the market. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | mayabidaya: | #kidlitchat i think trends are part of something bigger. just kind of something in the air sometimes. a progression of the collective subcon |
| 8:38 pm | jeanie_w: | Knowing current trends can help an illustrator gear her portfolio. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @AudryT Agree. Some of the gear is great for a night out…writing it No desire whatsoever. #kidlitchat |
| 8:38 pm | aecbks: | RT @sarahshum: authors should know who their work is for, who the audience is, where it belongs on shelves #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | jeanie_w: | @janetleecarey :-) #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | sarahshum: | @bonnieadamson no, not really. New and fresh is good. You have to work with current formats, even if you’re expanding them #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | joycelansky: | @AudryT At the risk of sounding dumb or out of touch… WHAT is steampunk #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | elanaroth: | @bonnieadamson It’s nearly impossible for there to be NOTHING like it out there. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | leewind: | RT @mimking: art to critiquing, framing negative comments between positive ones. #kidlitchat YES – the sandwich: Good, challenge, good |
| 8:39 pm | RebeccaMather: | @KellyDHouse agreed. I would really like a crit partner with a good balance. And I’m with you. What is steampunk #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | HeleneBoudreau: | Some trends have longer lifespans than others. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | peg366: | #kidlitchat. When I started my two pb groups, I did modeling and providing articles from experts , and definite guidelines on how to. crit. |
| 8:39 pm | Gwenda: | @joycelansky The Victorian era that never was, or accouterments. #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | cheriwilliams: | @EgmontUSA For genre… in general would you rather hear a general *urban fantasy* or a specific *spoof thriller* #kidlitchat |
| 8:39 pm | janetleecarey: | Trends expire. Creativity births the new. Sometimes I shut to door and write in my Hobbit Hole. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | leewind: | RT @gregpincus: Personally, I prefer to START the trends. I’ll let you all know when I succeed…. #kidlitchat LOL – sure you will, Greg! |
| 8:40 pm | elanaroth: | Steampunk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | Gwenda: | Great execution is just about always trendy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | AudryT: | Steampunk: http://www.steam-con.com/ #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | bonnieadamson: | @sarahshum Expanding–I like that. Or recombining bits, maybe. #kidlitchat |
| 8:40 pm | joycelansky: | @elanaroth Sometimes it can be hard to find. I had an agent tell me she didn’t know of any books about mob kids. There r plenty. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | bonnieadamson: | RT @Gwenda: Great execution is just about always trendy. #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | janetleecarey: | It all goes back to telling a Whopping Good Story. My 2 cents #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | elanaroth: | @joycelansky True but there’s almost always a comparison about another aspect of the book: age-level, voice, setting… #kidlitchat |
| 8:41 pm | elizaosborn: | @joycelansky Think THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN — orhttp://tinyurl.com/6e9so7 #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | RebeccaMather: | @cheriwilliams @EgmontUSA I’m on board for the *spoof thriller* genre #kidlitchat |
| 8:42 pm | AudryT: | Of course, I said I had zero interest in vampires, and then I got an idea that made my head spin and I was “sucked” in. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | RebeccaMather: | @AudryT Thanks for the link! #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | jeanie_w: | Sorry, all. Got the ID wrong. It’s @Becky_Levine who has the book coming out about crit groups. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | Gwenda: | It’s often more important to know what the seminal predecessors are to what you’re writing. Ensures you bring something new. #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | janetleecarey: | @AudryT the muse is always teasing us. Just say “no” and then the story idea comes. Shesh! #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | EgmontUSA: | @cheriwilliams I’d rather a classification along the lines of “this is x meets y”. Urban fantasy is too big a category! #kidlitchat |
| 8:43 pm | joycelansky: | @elanaroth My problem, my book’s theme is most like The Client, but I can’t write a query comparing myself to John Grisham. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | jeanie_w: | Egmont USA has a wonderful MG steampunk novel CANDLE MAN coming out in September. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | elanaroth: | @joycelansky Touche, Joyce. Touche. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | EgmontUSA: | @RebeccaMather even the “spoof thriller” is a bit broad, though done properly, they’re sure fun! #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @AudryT I am still not on the vampire bandwagon even though I am a huge Anne Rice fan… #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | Gwenda: | @joycelansky I don’t know–a kidlit Grisham novel sound pretty awesome. #kidlitchat |
| 8:44 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat I f dont get a chance to say so thank you all for being so nice and helping me. |
| 8:44 pm | LizB: | darn i somehow forgot #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | JennBailey: | Said I was leaving then Steampunk came in. Not new. Steam Bird by Hilbert Schenck published in 1988 is a fav novel #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | kdueykduey: | @Gwenda Run your idea past a good indie bookseller. THEY know the extant books…#kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | Gwenda: | @JennBailey Precisely. Most trends have their roots in the past. #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | EgmontUSA: | @jeanie_w Thanks for the plug! #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | aecbks: | RT @kdueykduey: @Gwenda Run your idea past a good indie bookseller. THEY know the extant books…#kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 8:45 pm | Gwenda: | @kdueykduey Definitely. Or just marry a nerd, like I did. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | janetleecarey: | @EgmontUSA yeah. I want to read Candle Man. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat This chat was good for my 1st time, i’m gonna do it again. |
| 8:46 pm | jeanie_w: | @EgmontUSA Thanks for the ARC. It was such a fun read! #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | mitaliperkins: | Agent @bostonbookgirl talked about some trends she’s seeing in MG/YA publishing http://bit.ly/ckNlD#kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | joycelansky: | @Gwenda Thanks, but you can’t tell that to an agent or editor. It’s against the rules to compare your book to someone big time. #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | bonnieadamson: | Do trends cross all genres–someone (@LaurelSnyder) asked where are dystopian picture books #kidlitchat |
| 8:46 pm | EngridE1: | @EgmontUSA Do you classify Magical Realism as part of Fantasy or a different genre #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | Lizannewrites: | I’m catching up -better late than never eh I have crit group on Tuesday nights #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | sarahshum: | I’m just ghosting around #kidlitchat, trying to answer anything I can. |
| 8:47 pm | ktubb: | Aw, man! I missed out on most of #kidlitchat tonight! But the good news: a nice breakthrough in the WIP! #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat Research into your market is an absolute must, however writing to trends is ridiculous. By the time you’ve written the MS, get.. |
| 8:47 pm | elanaroth: | @bonnieadamson Ha, sometimes. A friend just sold a Zombie ABC book. #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | bonnieadamson: | @Lizannewrites That was Topic1! #kidlitchat |
| 8:47 pm | leewind: | @elanaroth re: comparisons – only to other books in same genre, or do you groove on movie/popular culture comparisons, too #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | EgmontUSA: | @Engrid1 I would put magical realism as seperate form fantasy. It’s a categotry unto itself. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | janetleecarey: | @EngridE1 Love magical realism — don’t know how to categorize it. Hum . . . About breaking down the walls anyway #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat …published and the book hits the market, the market trend will have shifted. Write what you’re passionate about, with an eye.. |
| 8:48 pm | elanaroth: | @leewind I personally don’t mind the movie comparison but it better be PERFECT. That’s just me though. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | Gwenda: | @joycelansky Well, sure, but you can evoke the milieu without naming names. #kidlitchat |
| 8:48 pm | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth I thought I was kidding . . . #kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | AudryT: | @janetleecarey My muse whispered, “What if the vampire was merely a slave, and only she could rescue him” Brain fried instantly.#kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | kdueykduey: | @joycelansky No, but you can say, “(title) will appeal to the readers who are going to grow up and love Grisham’s, etc, etc..”#kidlitchat |
| 8:49 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat …toward marketability. |
| 8:49 pm | elanaroth: | @bonnieadamson Someone will always think of something #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | janetleecarey: | @AudryT Go with brain fry — perhaps book will sizzle #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | EngridE1: | @EgmontUSA Bless you! Several of us believe it’s separate,but some Tweeps “argued” with us over it. Thank you #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | joycelansky: | @kdueykduey Can you really I thought just mentioning the big name would be frowned upon. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | Gwenda: | Shaun Tan is writing the dystopian picture books @LaurelSnyder. #kidlitchat |
| 8:50 pm | Lizannewrites: | Thanks Bonnie – I created the crit grp 7 years ago and tonight we added a new member #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | johnlechner: | RT @janetleecarey It all goes back to telling a Whopping Good Story. #kidlitchat <- true, it’s best to focus on story, not trends |
| 8:51 pm | elanaroth: | I’m here if anyone has any agent-specific questions… #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | bonnieadamson: | @EngridE1 So how do you define it #kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | kdueykduey: | @kathleenfoucart Yes, and once you see it cold like that, you start to spot it in your own work, too…whatever it is….#kidlitchat |
| 8:51 pm | Evilgenius333: | #kidlitchat Sorry I was late tonight guys. Editing! |
| 8:51 pm | crineyz: | #kidlitchat I think it all has to do with what the vivid and creative mind can pump out and grab readers. Thus you have a new trend. |
| 8:51 pm | joycelansky: | @Lizannewrites 7 years is awesome! I bet you’ve really seen the work evolve. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | KellyDHouse: | @joycelansky I agree. there are tactful ways to go about it. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth Sorry–I still have trouble with “comparables”–feel pretentious citing famous books. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | RebeccaMather: | Ah! Missed a lot. Restless toddlers tonight. Good thing @GregPincus is so great about getting us transcripts. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | Lisa_Frame: | @elanaroth How has the economic downturn affected your ability to sell your clients books #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | janetleecarey: | @crineyz yes to letting muse set future trend. Capture wild stories on the run. #kidlitchat |
| 8:52 pm | gregpincus: | @elanaroth Thanks! I suggest that be our final topic of the evening, then! #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | EngridE1: | @janetleecarey #magicalrealism on Monday 4pm EST/1pm PST. Trying the time out next week. #kidlitchat |
| 8:53 pm | ColleenLindsay: | Hey, kids & YA writers: #kidlitchat is going on right now. Go particpate and/or ask some questions and use the hashtag, please. |
| 8:53 pm | ktubb: | @elanaroth Ooo – I’ll jump! I read a blog today about blurbs. When is a good time (in the process) to solicit them #kidlitchat |
