Kidlitchat transcript – August 18th (part 1)
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mitaliperkins: @gregpincus I can’t imagine editors or agents having time or desire to scour our websites for brilliant unpublished nuggets. #kidlitchat
TexasPixie: @katie_bowden I’m trying but it’s SO hard!!! I keep seeing mistakes I made and want to fix them. ;/ #kidlitchat
Evilgenius333: @JennBailey #kidlitchat you don’t want anything but your best stuff out there. What happens if those pages aren’t ready yet (let’s face it..
KayCassidy: @ktubb For me too, Kristin. I can’t listen while I’m actually writing, but I listen to nail the emotion of a particular scene. #kidlitchat
amy7a: @EgmontGal Good to know! #kidlitchat
DDHearn: When I do write I need total silence. Also when I’m figuring out rough sketches. After that I can have music or tv on. #kidlitchat
mikalroy: what @EgmontGal said. It’s of interest, but doesn’t change reaction to the work at hand.
leewind: @MyraMcEntire #kidlitchat 43 songs in your playlist? Maybe share just one a week, keep online readers coming back!
kathleenfoucart: @mikalroy *Loved* Flora Segunda!
JackFWalker: @KindrilyKaren Rejected Writer’s Oath: I (Author) will gladly give a beating to anyone who tells me I need to change my
sabrosen: @mikalroy how often do you google your authors? #kidlitchat
bonnieadamson: Would love to explore art for story not include in book
TexasPixie: @jimhill Thank you for the article link! I’m off to read it now
cheriwilliams: @Evilgenius333 How about a transcript of the voices in your head?! Haha
gregpincus: Building a platform takes time, of course. But if you know WHY you’re blogging/tweeting/whatever , it’s not so hard. #kidlitchat
Becky_Levine: @f_rancesca Only lyricless music. Or french-canadian lyrics.
KindrilyKaren: @mgbuehrlen @rillajaggia Yup I have a VERY LARGE “cutting room floor” folder. At least 40k words in there collecting dust
KayCassidy: @crissachappell Exactly! I love that as a reader.
AudryT: I’ve helmed projects as dense as fiction novels that were pubbed for teens in an interactive online format.
mgbuehrlen: Are these playlists like a soundtrack to the story, or what the author was listening do when they wrote it?
amy7a: @thegreatmissjj So, if they don’t like your blog–could be bad news if they’re on the fence for the ms?
jlbellwriter: Diana Gabaldon might be the first author to be discovered through online writing—back in a Compuserve forum.
mikalroy: When I bought FLORA SEGUNDA, I did a google on the author and found old fanfic. And she was horrified and had it taken down
bonnieadamson: @aecbks That’s my problem–should be MY vision, not the crowd’s.
storyconnection: @lkblackburne Various methods. My website gets 3 mil hits/yr. I hv email newsltr reaches 11,000 monthly. Social mktg been a boon
Casey_McCormick: You can always post “outtakes” as teasers. Good use of pulled material!
JennBailey: @Evilgenius333 Great! Had folks asking about WIP pages on websites. Not sure how to respond. There’s a fine line there.
MeganKelleyHall: Even if I didn’t write YA, I’d think that they rock
TexasPixie: @Leaheps Glad I’m not the only one. I need to stop rereading what I’ve written and just write. But that’s easier said than done!
gregpincus: @LynneaAnnette I like @thewritermama‘s definition of platform for writers http://bit.ly/lGej2
crissachappell: @KayCassidy it’s like secret “behind the scenes” footage
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat Playlists won’t be too engaging to my audience. I write in silence.
MeganKelleyHall: #kidlitchat YA bloggers rule! Hands down. No question! They rock.
bonnieadamson: @DDHearn Pros/cons of posting work online
ktubb: @KrisYankee: @kathleenfoucart Music is always a muse for me. I can NOT listen to music when I write. Wish I could, but no-go.
susanwrites: @crissachappell They do indeed. Blog response to the letters has helped me figure some things out about my books.
rillajaggia: RT @lkblackburne: @storyconnection How did you build up your fan following? great question!
aecbks: @bonnieadamson Not so much control as exploring new territory. @egmontgal, No! not what I meant. No voting. Not Idol
thegreatmissjj: @amy7a As someone who has worked in a literary agency; they do a lot of Googling if they like you.
AudryT: Not all fic writing has to be oriented toward publication. The online venue is its own medium, one that kids are comfy with.
EngridE1: RT @aecbks: Posting thngs online ur agent/editor may not first b gaga over, could change their minds if it gets huge response
storyconnection: @rillajaggia I don’t do it in hopes of poss book sales (tho that would be good), I do it for my fanbase, who luv tellable tales
MyraMcEntire: @EgmontGal Thank you! I love seeing playlists, and especially love when one song can fuel a whole story.
JennBailey: Look at the enormous hew and cry for JK Rowling to give more and more. What happened to this character? To that one.
jimhill: @TexasPixie Great post on WD recently How to Build a Marketing Platform http://bit.ly/4QGue
kathleenfoucart: @KrisYankee Same here- I have playlists for all my books
KayCassidy: RT @susanwrites: I agree sharing unpubbed stuff can be part of brand & voice. I do that with character letters on my blog
Evilgenius333: @JennBailey #kidlitchat why it took you so long to get home tonight! Welcome! Talking about posting work online
f_rancesca: gosh, people can listen to music AND write? Wow. That would explode my brain.
amy7a: I’d like to know how much weight an agent/editor puts on platform, and how much googling they do when they get a ms they like.
rillajaggia: @DDHearn We’re discussing pros and cons of free online postings of orginal material.
mgbuehrlen: @rillajaggia I figure I’ll slash, but keep all the trimmings, just in case.
ZimblerMiller: @aecbks Author @frugalbookpromo and I are trying an experiment with a book proposal — see http://www.fictionmarketing.com
KrisYankee: @kathleenfoucart Got it. I do that myself. Music is always a muse for me.
EgmontGal: @aecbks Aagh! Now we’re going to have fans vote for what should be included in printed book? We already have spouse’s opinions!
lkblackburne: @storyconnection How did you build up your fan following?
bonnieadamson: @aecbks So it may be a way to keep control?
lynnekelly: @planetalvina I heard about that, but I was thinking she posted some excerpts herself before all that happened.
crissachappell: @susanwrites blog readers give instant feedback. They will tell you what’s up
katie_bowden: @TexasPixie plowing right through to a finished draft worked for me – just keep going!
DDHearn: HI all. Just joined. What’s the topic
MyraMcEntire: @KayCassidy As it should. I’ve thought about teasers; my playlist has 43 songs!
LynneaAnnette: @JennBailey Hi, Jenn!
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat What extra feature do the readers want? That’s what everyone needs to figure out and provide on their web/Twitter/FB/MS/etc
leewind: @KrisYankee Music I’m listening to while writing is the one extra I could come up with for my myspace presence!
Leaheps: @TexasPixie I do the same thing–edit constantly as I write. Must try something different! no forward momentum that way
EgmontGal: @MyraMcEntire Playlists can be a good idea when 1) they are authentic to you and 2) relevant to the book
bonnieadamson: @JennBailey Posting work online–good/bad?
rillajaggia: @storyconnection I can see how creating a fan following with free stories would be beneficial to booksales of published work.
EgmontUSA: @lindsayeland Hi Lindsay! ::waves::
· KayCassidy: Hey Linds!
lindsayeland: Thanks Becky
cheriwilliams: @Evilgenius333 I’ll see you there
aecbks: Posting things online that your agent or editor may not first be gaga over, could change their minds if it gets huge response.
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat I think it’s very important to add value to our readers. Think of the additional content you provide as the Special Edition DVD.
JennBailey: Whew! Home from the first fall baseball game of the season. What are we talking about?
KayCassidy: @MyraMcEntire I have a soundtrack for mine, but won’t post it until release because it hints at plot/conflict.
MyraMcEntire: @KrisYankee Yes. Stephenie Meyer has one for each book. I’ve also seen them from Maggie Stiefvater and Libba Bray …
TexasPixie: I really need to learn not to edit as I’m writing a draft. It’s driving me nuts.
kathleenfoucart: @KrisYankee Yeah, like a movie soundtrack, kinda
LynneaAnnette: @gregpincus I’d like to hear more about establishing a platform
thegreatmissjj: @marybrebner Unfortunately the fanfiction has been taken down.
Leaheps: @EngridE1 yes, re. fiction, but maybe an excerpt–one chapter at a time–or just one, as a teaser?
susanwrites: @gregpincus I agree sharing unpubbed stuff can be part of brand & voice. I do that with character letters on my blog.
Evilgenius333: @cheriwilliams I shall soar to the top then 
EngridE1: @MyraMcEntire That’s kind of “cool”, no?
storyconnection: I have unpublished wk on my site http://ow.ly/kw1j but I hv big fan following thru storytelling & put up new story evry month
bonnieadamson: @Becky_Levine Oh, fun!
rillajaggia: @mgbuehrlen Ha ha…The difference in surrounding material and higher word count is of course the optionality of it
KrisYankee: Like what they listened to while writing?RT @MyraMcEntire: So many writers do “playlists” as extras. Good idea?
dawnmetcalf: Smart topix and cool folks chattin’ it up at #kidlitchat!
lindsayeland: I have no clue how this twitter chat works…but hi everyone!
leewind: #kidlitchat It’s still telling stories, but there are some cool things you can do online that you really can’t in a paper book!
· AnnaZiska: RT @lynnekelly: @EgmontGal Stephenie Meyer posted some chapters from Edwards POV “Midnight Sun” book 5(maybe someday).
Leaheps: and all that obsession with drinking goes into my mg/ya work, too. So it all fits together–online, offline, etc.
kathleenfoucart: @marybrebner She took it down- email me, I can get some to you, I downloaded it
bonnieadamson: But that was leaked ms., right? (Twilight from Edward’s POV).
EngridE1: @Leaheps Blogging on non-fiction can be a good thing, I’m just still not sure about posting a fiction book online.
cheriwilliams: @Evilgenius333 At the very least insanity is a plus in this business
KindrilyKaren: @JackFWalker – Contructive Crit Oath: I (Author) will gladly take a beating if it makes my characters better.
kathleenfoucart: @thegreatmissjj @marybrebner LOVED her fanfic- she was one of my biggest influences before she was published thegreatmissjj: @EgmontGal …maybe. My 2nd draft will (hopefully) be 15K shorter than the 1st. I have a tendency to overwrite. leewind: #kidlitchat I like the idea of experimenting with the on-line delivery of a story LIke Kathleen Duey’s Twitter novel “Russet”
mgbuehrlen: @rillajaggia I agree. If someone wants more, why not give them more? Goes back to my word count question
bonnieadamson: Research.
gregpincus: @mitaliperkins But I think unpublished work can be part of that brand and
landlroecker: Perhaps it’s also about length of material posted. We always try to stay under 250 words.
Werecat1: @MyraMcEntire I felt that it created even deeper love within fans for it gave them an inside look at more of the world
dawnmetcalf: @thegreatmissjj Oh! Now you made me feel old (again)!
mgbuehrlen: @EgmontGal Check out her site. Lots there
thegreatmissjj: @marybrebner Cassandra Clare wrote fanfiction. I would know; I read her stuff when I was in high school.
lynnekelly: @EgmontGal Stephenie Meyer posted some chapters from Edward’s POV
kathleenfoucart: @EgmontGal http://bit.ly/WEdFY (
gregpincus: I second what @mitaliperkins said – it’s about establishing a platform not just about selling/not selling
bonnieadamson: Thinking about using rearch from historical novel as “extras” online . . .
mitaliperkins: I think using a virtual platform to showcase your voice and “brand” as a writer is more effective than posting unpublished work
EngridE1: @Devas_T Why miss it, you’re here!
EgmontUSA: @EgmontGal I’ll let it slide. You’re not in the office.
MyraMcEntire: @EgmontGal stepheniemeyer.com, also good info on twilightlexicon.
Leaheps: @EngridE1 nonfiction, but poetry would be neat. And fiction who knows where it’ll
kathleenfoucart: Right now my ‘teasers’ are all locked to friends-only on LJ. Should I unlock them or leave as-is? All from book I’m querying
KayCassidy: @crissachappell I’ve always loved that idea, Crissa. Readers heart getting extras from the character’s POV
maggiedana: Well-known authors’ “deleted scenes” = DVDs that include a film’s out-takes
Evilgenius333: @bonnieadamson #kidlitchat As I said before, I do that right here on Twitter, 140 characters at a time!
storyconnection: Good pt! RT @pvlundqvist: Posting some teasers/samples online is great advertising. I worry more about obscurity than theft
rillajaggia: @mgbuehrlen Extra material around a book is great for free online posting. a big plus i think.
EgmontGal: Wait, there are stephenie meyer deleted scenes? Where? How have I missed this?I know, Alison, I have to post 5X about Egmont now
MyraMcEntire: What I liked about Meyer’s deleted scenes were the complete rawness of the work. Shows how layers/editing work for some people
blayze316: @KayCassidy its amazing what you can dig up online. i’ve got some old fanfics from 8 years ago i can pull up
elanaroth: @mikalroy I suppose not?
mikalroy: …the problem is getting that audience in the first place. Books are a minor media most of the time. Everything helps.
dawnmetcalf: My $0.02 — follow the geniuses. They’re onto something! (John Green, Cassie Clare, Jeff Somers, Holly Black, etc.)
Devas_T: I’m missing the #kidlitchat again. Bummer!
aecbks: @EngridE1 I have taken chances on newbies.
aquafortis: #kidlitchat was fun, but wow–busy room tonight. Too much for me to handle while cooking dinner! Sorry, guys.
thegreatmissjj: @jimhill Two of my favourite YA authors had a previously established fanbase. I admit to reading their stuff in high school.
EngridE1: @Leaheps Non-fiction or fiction?
marybrebner: @dawnmetcalf What did Cassie Claire do online that brought people to her? #kidlitchat
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mikalroy: as Corey Doctorow states: the problem isn’t theft of material or that the material will somehow take away audience…
lkblackburne: @mgbuehrlen Yes, I liked Meyer’s deleted scenes too!
mgbuehrlen: This is a good idea too: RT @bonnieadamson: How about establishing “world” with web site, but not actual book?
mikalroy: @elanaroth If it can’t, then there’s no problem, is there?
thegreatmissjj: I’m all about teaser material online, although I will admit I am more willing to read it when I know the author has a book deal.
rillajaggia: @gregpincus That raises the question whether it is more effective to post free material before or after you have been published
ktubb: @jimhill Couldn’t hurt!
dawnmetcalf: @jimhill Worked for Cassie Clare!
Evilgenius333: @leewind #kidlitchat Hey Lee. Welcome to the party.
EngridE1: @aecbks But do you then turn it around to a “proven” author? Or do you take a chance on the newbie?
aecbks: RT @elanaroth: Regarding theft, all should explore the Creative Commons licensing and copyrighting for online material.
Leaheps: well I’m blogging about women & drinking (women’s drinking stories) over at drinkingdiaries.com, and bec. bk. deal didn’t happen
elanaroth: @mikalroy Sure, if the material can support the jump in format.
bonnieadamson: How about establishing “world” with web site, but not actual book?
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat it’s had a really great response thus far.
mgbuehrlen: I really enjoyed Stephanie Meyer’s “deleted scenes” on her website. Read those first, then was hooked to read the 1st book.
jimhill: Do publishers want to see a fan base/dedicated readers for an unpublished author?
dawnmetcalf: RT @Becky_Levine @katie_bowden I think kids can handle/get much more than they’re given credit for. — Too true!
KayCassidy: @blayze316 Very true. Pretty much everything is archived so even if it’s taken down later, people can still unearth it.
literaticat: Now, excerpts or serializing finished book for publicity – no prob. Posting short stories like “merry sisters of fate” – great.
MyraMcEntire: and if so, is good to use something that isn’t going to actually be in the book?
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat …set 2 years before the series and has been lots of fun. Sets up the world I’ve created and gives bits of backstory.
gregpincus: @rillajaggia Well, Cory Doctorow posted his whole YA, Little Brother, online for free (and is doing so again with next book).
mikalroy: @elanaroth Sure, but the point is more that an audience in blogland often turns into a different audience in bookstores. No?
elanaroth: Regarding theft, all should explore the Creative Commons licensing and copyrighting for online material.
EllenHopkinsYA: #kidlitchat I’ve posted pieces of upcoming books, to pique reader interest. So far, so good.
MyraMcEntire: I just wonder when tried to build a fan base if blogging is enough. Do you put your characters out there to get feedback …
EgmontGal: @thegreatmissjj you cut 3,000 adverbs???
crissachappell: @gregpincus i blogged as my character online for two years!
KayCassidy: @EgmontGal That’s because Bree’s first chapter rocks.
literaticat: Personally – things that I am actively trying to shop, that have not been bought yet, I’d like to be private. I’m superstitious.
jimhill: @blayze316 yes, www.archive.org/ can uncover old sites
dawnmetcalf: @thegreatmissjj @johnlechner I agree with Miss JJ. Then again, I usually do.
mitaliperkins: More important than posting unpublished work online is using a virtual platform to showcase your voice and “brand” as a writer.
leewind: @EgmontGal sorry bout that. Wasn’t the Julia /Julie movie out now based on a blog that generated a TON of buzz?
Casey_McCormick: Following #kidlitchat. Hi all!
maggiedana: @thegreatmissjj Extraneous adverbs is almost an oxymoron.
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat 1 thing I do here on Twitter, is have 2 characters from 1 of my series live and interacting with the audience. It’s a prologue..
mikalroy: The problem is being noticed and discussed. Not the theft of material online. What we want is the dedicated, passionate reader.
Becky_Levine: @katie_bowden I think kids can handle/get much more than they’re given credit for.
rillajaggia: I have a friend who puts blogs excerpts when she is experimenting with voices for a character and trying to find one she likes.
elanaroth: @mikalroy Those are the rarer narrative based ones though. Most blog books are gimmicky like Stuff White People Like.
pvlundqvist: Posting some teasers/samples online is great advertising. I worry more about obscurity than theft.
mikalroy: @blayze316 Sure, but so what? If people are that dedicated and want to read it, they will talk it up. Or, like, go to a library.
gregpincus: @EgmontGal I went viral, so it’s not only on the strength of the work itself. But when 30,000 people visit in a day, it’s good!
aecbks: It’s true I do keep my eyes out for online material that could be the basis for a great book.
EngridE1: @nandinibajpai That was my question too, seems few people agree on the answer.
thegreatmissjj: @dawnmetcalf I’ve discovered I can easily cut 3K by getting rid of extraneous adverbs.
dosankodebbie: @gregpincus #kidlitchat By posting online, I’ve gotten book deal, sold poems, become friends with poets I idolize [this is what I dream of]
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mikalroy: Diary of a Wimpy Kid? And on and on.
Becky_Levine: @bonnieadamson OH! Yes, that does feel kind of loose. You might be lucky & really connect with someone, tho–new crit partner
ninaberry: Oooh. RT @MyraMcEntire: What about deleted scenes that give a sense of voice? that’s a neat idea! like Director’s Cut DVD!
lkblackburne: @EngridE1 @bonnieadamson It seems like it’d be fun to interact with your audience, as long as ultimately, you control content
mikalroy: Julie & Julia, anyone?
blayze316: @mikalroy yes you can take the parts down, but aren’t a lot of things archived online? so it can never really be deleted
dawnmetcalf: RT @KindrilyKaren @kathleenfoucart – Yes I have hacked and slashed my story into such a beautiful massacre. It CAN be done
mikalroy: There are tons of examples of things on the web that became books. And were taken down before pub.
bonnieadamson: Did we talk about building a YA fan base?
gregpincus: Strong writing online, be it samples or great posts, can work wonders. @suzanne_young got an agent via her blog, for example
Evilgenius333: @elanaroth #kidlitchat …the feedback to better their work.
amy7a: @planetalvina Really? People have goten book deals based on their blog?
ktubb: P.S. re: Jessica – I think those details are correct – her blog give the whole scoop www.jessicaburkhart.blogspot.com
jimhill: @mitaliperkins Hope the last day with Deb Kovacs was great. The panel last night was very interesting. #kidlitchat
ninaberry: @gregpincus. Sounds like good reasons to be biased!
rillajaggia: @gregpincus I think it’s easier for poets and artists due to the bitesize chunks…harder for a novel.
Evilgenius333: @elanaroth #kidlitchat I imagine to try and wow your audience? Like I said, I personally don’t do it, but others seem to enjoy it and use..
thegreatmissjj: @johnlechner I would agree, although I think venue is very important. And format.
KrisYankee: I think pubb’d author should post something, but I’m not sure about unpubb’d
EgmontGal: @gregpincus tell us more about getting a book deal AFTER posting online. I’m intrigued.
KindrilyKaren: @dawnmetcalf “Everything improves with a lil hack-whackery with Ye Olde Red Pen o’ Doom!” Yes, RedPen=Magic Wand
katie_bowden: off-topic q: Can MG audiences handle villains that aren’t all bad, or do you think they need characters that are black or white?
bonnieadamson: @Becky_Levine Putting work online to guage public reaction.
KayCassidy: @EgmontGal No excerpts up. I’m holding off on all that until after our marketing call so we can chat about it together.
aquafortis: @planetalvina That’s true–someone I went to grad school with got a book deal from blogging. Another food blog, too!
JackFWalker: I don’t post excerpts online
lkblackburne: @Evilgenius333 @darksideoffilm Here’s an article about beta readers by @johannaharness http://bit.ly/OV7fK
mgbuehrlen: I think it’s great when published authors post a chapter on their websites. Let’s me glimpse and entices me to buy.
dawnmetcalf: Jeff Somers posted some short stories to promote his 3rd book coming out, which was a brilliant move! www.eternalprison.com
gregpincus: #kidlitchat I’m biased, of course. By posting online, I’ve gotten a book deal, sold poems, become friends with poets I idolize, etc.
EngridE1: @mitaliperkins Now that’s multi-tasking!
Werecat1: @KayCassidy I’m the same way. I want to read more about the characters and the world.
ktubb: @EgmontGal Jessica Burkhart-sample of her horse mg attracted an agent and went into a (now) 12-book deal with S&S
dosankodebbie: @thegreatmissjj How many fans count as an established fan base?
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat Outside of checking w/ agent, it’s entirely up to what you feel comfortable with. It porn can’t hurt putting up a chap or 2
quirkywriter: Posting it online seems too permanent for something I am submitting for publication. I’d rather work with the publisher first.
mgbuehrlen: @KindrilyKaren @dawnmetcalf It was 175k, sent to a freelance editor, came back with 145k… so still working on it.
planetalvina: @EgmontGal Well, a lot of bloggers have gotten book deals out of blogging…
gregpincus: @HiroBoga There’s a big difference between posting to workshop vs. getting readers/to establish self . I don’t workshop, either.
EngridE1: @bonnieadamson Feedback from a beta reader, yes – feedback from the masses, no unless everyone says it sucks?
EngridE1: @bonnieadamson Feedback from a beta reader, yes – feedback from the masses, no unless everyone says it sucks?
bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal Diary of a Wimpy
storyconnection: I know someone who posts unpublished work on a website & is poised to recv a big book deal
elanaroth: @EgmontGal Blog books…but fiction
aecbks: @EgmontGal Only blogs like Julie & Julia.
mitaliperkins: Popping into #kidlitchat as hubby drives us home from two days of writing on the Cape, plus listening to the #redsox game.
johnlechner: @thegreatmissjj Though posting online could also help you create a fanbase, artists do that a lot.
literaticat: My client Daniel P. serializes all his books for free- I totally think he sells more that way: but they are real, finished books
mikalroy: If it is posted online pre-book deal (parts of it, anyway), it can be taken down. The great thing about the internet: change.
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat I don’t think there are any rules about posting or not posting unpublished work online. If you have an agent, check w/ them 1st.
bonnieadamson: @lkblackburne Seems like market research–to “give ‘em what they want”–not creative.
KindrilyKaren: @kathleenfoucart -Yes I have hacked and slashed my story into such a beautiful massacre.It CAN be done.
KrisYankee: @bonnieadamson I agree – don’t we shape our stories enough after agents/editors get ahold of them? Why put it out to the public?
mikalroy: @ninaberry I think the standard is changing. Give away a book someone loves, and they’ll buy it and talk it
EngridE1: @planetalvina I didn’t realize Wimpy Kid was all online, interesting
sabrosen: What is a good length for a YA manuscript, words or pages
cheriwilliams: Blogs, yes. Book material, no, because I write high concept stuff
gregpincus: @Leaheps I figure if someone needs to steal my poetry and can figure out how to get rich from it… I’ll steal their method
mgbuehrlen: @dawnmetcalf LOL thanks!
elanaroth: @MyraMcEntire Deleted scenes and “extras” can be interesting…when the book is already a big deal
aecbks: RT @gregpincus: #kidlitchat There is a definite difference between posting not-under-contract work and other work, by the way
EgmontGal: @KayCassidy we expect to discuss it with author on an individual basis. Your first chapter is up?
literaticat: @egmontgal I am ABSOLUTELY NOT talking about posting excerpts for publicity purposes – I am talking about PRE-BOOK
bonnieadamson: See talk of shaping work based on feedback–I don’t think that’s a good idea, do you?
DarkSideofFilm: @Evilgenius333 #kidlitchat Ok, thanks. I appreciate it.
· mgbuehrlen: @KindrilyKaren Thanks, I’m determined to shave as much as I can
johnlechner: I’ve posted short picture-stories online, it’s a great way to get reader feedback and try out ideas
HollyBodger: @gregpincus Yes, it is closed and they monitor every single view of your work. I couldn’t live without it!
MyraMcEntire: What about deleted scenes that give a sense of voice
ninaberry: @bonnieadamson. Maybe it’s cool w/publisher to post 1st chapter as a teaser for upcoming book? But maybe not before? Not sure
gregpincus: #kidlitchat There is a definite difference between posting not-under-contract work and other work, by the way!
about 4 hours ago
thegreatmissjj: I think posting work online only works if you already have an established fanbase.
mikalroy: I don’t think the problem is having the work available online. The problem is getting people to talk about it. So why not post
KayCassidy: @bonnieadamson Good question. @EgmontGal & @EgmontUSA, do you have guidelines for excerpts on our author sites
dawnmetcalf: @literaticat I’d heard that posting online counted as “published” online. Is this true?
EgmontGal: @literaticat The first chapter of Bree Despain’s Dark Divine is available online and it’s getting good response
Evilgenius333: @DarkSideofFilm #kidlitchat Beta readers are readers in your circle who you respect, and know will be honest and critical.
kathleenfoucart: @literaticat That makes sense. Build some suspense & get people interested, but not giving away giant plot
amy7a: Thank you to whoever explained how to use Tweetchat!
HiroBoga: @gregpincus I post poetry online, but not fiction, and I don’t workshop online at all.
marybrebner: If you put your whole work online, isn’t it considered “self-published”? Since it’s already out there, in full?
storyconnection: I know someone who posts unpublished work online & is poised to recv a very big book deal
caitkitt: I post the first chap. of my books on my web site a month before publication. Other than that, just a sentence or two, +
BriannaSayres: @gregpincus Interesting that you’ve sold poems after posting. I always feel like I can’t post poems I want to submit
jimhill: I’ve posted in a private group for critique. A lot of concerns over privacy and loss of rights to site’s owner (Ning
aquafortis: Even when it’s just a writing exercise, I make sure to post a copyright notice if I put anything original online
Leaheps: #kidlitchat I don’t think I’d randomly post work online–it feels like the Wild West–floating out there.
aecbks: I agree with literaticat
planetalvina: WIMPY KID was all online, too
dawnmetcalf: @KindrilyKaren @mgbuehrlen Totally agree! Everything improves with a little hack-whackery with Ye Olde Red Pen o’ Doom
kathleenfoucart: @KindrilyKaren Oh, yay, someone else that cut copious amounts of words! I went from about 130k to
gregpincus: @EngridE1 Maybe. That hasn’t stopped many folks from serializing then selling whole novels. Or me my poems
Becky_Levine: RT @KindrilyKaren: @mgbuehrlen Trust me, as a writer of YA that was 150k and is now 85k, you CAN make it better by tightening.
rillajaggia: @lynnekelly thanks for the tip! Good one. will open up column in tweetdeck, it’s much quicker.
LynneaAnnette: #kidlitchat I heard an editor once say that for an unpublished author, a few snippets of sample writing on a webpage is useful. True?
bonnieadamson: @leewind Hi, Leeliteraticat: (cont’d) — I’d rather they not post big excerpts in public places pre-publication
DarkSideofFilm: @Evilgenius333 #kidlitchat what are beta readers? where do you get them?
EgmontGal: @leewind pls don’t think I’m a complete nerd. Not a parking lot, i’m skulking outside a ritzy house!
Leaheps: #kidlitchat I have a few poems published on Literary Mama–is that what you mean by posting online?
katie_bowden: hi gang! I have to admit, posting work online scares me to death.
dawnmetcalf: @cheriwilliams @mikalroy A sprinkle of insanity? Sounds like Mary Poppins is subbing as an ed!
KindrilyKaren: @mgbuehrlen Trust me, as a writer of a YA that was 150k and is now 85k, I assure you, you CAN make it better by tightening.
leewind: #kidlitchat – Hi all! Lee joining in the conversation here from the West Coast!
mgbuehrlen: @EgmontGal I’ve read on a few agents’ websites that they will auto-reject if a YA is over 100k. Would hope they’d read some 1st?
literaticat: I don’t mind if my clients post snippets on “friends only” blog posts or message boards… but –
ktubb: I have an excerpt of my mg novel on my website – does that count? Amazing how many emails i get that comment on it…
Evilgenius333: @cheriwilliams Absolutely. Insanity is a plus in this world.
bonnieadamson: @ninaberry Good point–do publishers generally approve?
EngridE1: @gregpincus Isn’t posting online conflict with “never been published?”
KayCassidy: @gregpincus I’ve never posted content online other than blurbs. May post excerpt closer to pub date, but that’s about it.
leewind: @EgmontGal It’s a good sign of how this tribe of #kidlitchat really is a community… even in a parking lot in Maine!
susanwrites: I use Twitter to think outloud about my current WIP. It helps me & hopefully builds interest as I share pieces of the plot.
EgmontGal: @gregpincus I agree. Posting some work online can bring attention to your work, interest, an audience. all good for publishers.
landlroecker: @gregpincus That’s good to hear! We always get a little nervous posting even snippets of our work. Agents? Editors? What say you
gregpincus: @HollyBodger Is Critque Circle “closed” as in only those who register there can see your work?
KAED: @mikalroy Thanks. I think I’m at that point with mine. They love what I write, but don’t challenge me to improve it.
Becky_Levine: @gregpincus Curious–WHY post work online? I’ve never been able to come up with a good reason for it.
mikalroy: I think of how Corey Doctorow gave away downloads of LITTLE BROTHER … and yet it still became a bestseller. A model?
KrisYankee: @rillajaggia Never thought of that.
ninaberry: A friend of mine posted his first chapter online this month. First novel comes out Next month. Publisher approved.
lynnekelly: @rillajaggia I’m using Tweetdeck to follow along. I typed #kidlitchat in the search window, and I have a column open for that.
rillajaggia: From what I hear, posting online is considered one form of pubication and work can be rejected on that basis?
elanaroth: What would the purpose be in posting work online? Hope that a pro would read it and notice you?
landlroecker: We just post little snippets, usually less than 250 words online. Actually just posted one today…it is a little scary though
HollyBodger: @gregpincus Absolutely. Wouldn’t be able to use Critique Circle otherwise!
Becky_Levine: Well, I did a few passages on LiveJournal–under Tuesday teasers. But I locked them. And EARLY drafts; after that, felt wrong.
cheriwilliams: @mikalroy Perhaps dedication requires a dash of insanity?!
mgbuehrlen: I have not yet posted any of my work online. I’m extremely protective, but do share it with a trusted few.
bonnieadamson: Greg, do you solicit feedback to shape direction of work?
EgmontUSA: @egmontgal Restful, and full of reading. Thanks. And yours? (I love the car locale!)
dawnmetcalf: @mikalroy *IS* there a difference…?
gregpincus: Admittedly, I post poetry not fiction. But for the record, I have sold many poems AFTER posting. #kidlitchat I see little downside.
EgmontGal: @mgbuehrlen I don’t think there is such a thing as “auto-reject”
KrisYankee: What are the pros of posting orig work online
Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat I’ve never posted more than a synopsis online. I use beta readers between drafts.
susanwrites: @gregpincus It depends. I’ve posted original poetry online. Some snippets of WIP.
aquafortis: I’ve posted original work online, but usually only as exercises/fun stuff
dawnmetcalf: I do not put original work online. (My stuff is purely unoriginal!) But seriously, no. Not unless it’s Verla Kay or Crit Group.
KindrilyKaren: @TheMeganRebekah -nope, grateful for ALL the critique. Future Team River members will forever be in your debt. As will I.
PattyJMurphy: @gregpincus I never post original stuff online for a variety of reasons. Sorry we didn’t meet at SCBW/LA. You were always busy
lkblackburne: @gregpincus I’ll probably post query letters too on my blog to get suggestions. Such a great writing community on twitter
Becky_Levine: I have yet to post work online (not counting blogs). I will critique across the web, but try to do that via email
mikalroy: All, what are the downsides to posting online?
mikalroy: @egmontgal —Now that’s dedication. Or insanity. So hard to tell the difference.
KrisYankee: @gregpincus Nope, don’t post oringal work online. Only a synopsis, but nothing that really counts
KayCassidy: Heading off to #kidlitchat for a bit, then reading If I Stay.
gregpincus: I post tons of original work online, as some of you have seen. I am a huge fan of it. I do not, however, workshop it in public
lkblackburne: @gregpincus I plan on posting the first chapter of my WIP once I’m far enough in — both to share it and to get suggestions
kathleenfoucart: I do put some original work online, but I use Livejournal and Friend-lock the entries.
mikalroy: @KAED: Yes, sometimes you and the rest of your group don’t see eye to eye. I just said I needed something else.
EgmontGal: @egmontusa I am sitting in a parked car in a driveway where I can get a wifi signal. Hi. How is your vacay?
kathleenfoucart: @gregpincus Good topic!
gregpincus: @mikalroy Conversation goes where it goes. There’s just starting off points. Ususally it covers
mgbuehrlen: @sarahshum For my YA epic fantasy, will I be auto-rejected for a 135k word count? I assume yes, but then there is ERAGON
rillajaggia: Quick question @gregpincus, does having TweetDeck open slow TweetChat down? Sorry to be so iggernant.
gregpincus: Topic 1: Do you post original work online? Do you do it to share it? Or do you do it to workshop it
gregpincus: Welcome all to #kidlitchat. I’m gonna toss out the first topic and let’s see where we go….
START HERE! READ UPWARDS. Or stand on your head, I suppose….
