Kidlitchat Transcript – August 11th (part 2)

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8:46 pm elanaroth: One definition of “edgy”: not shying away from uncomfortable teen realities. But not in a preachy way. In an honest way.
8:46 pm EgmontGal: @realmlovejoy I think of “edgy” as pushing what we are comfortable with or used to in sub matter or language for ex
8:46 pm AudryT: Why do YA novels lack locations where most real teen dramas happen? Locker room, bathroom, school back stairs, infirmary?
8:46 pm KateMessner: @gregpincus PB market seems cautious right now. Editor w/ 1 of my mss has been pushing for it almost a year. (Maybe this week!?)
8:46 pm joycelansky: @realmlovejoy I see edgy as beings at the risk of offending some because it skirts on the edge of our accepted morals.
8:46 pm bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal Do you agree that plot is fixable, but lack of voice not worth the trouble?
8:46 pm landlroecker: @ConnieAnnKirk Pretty amazing that it’s the first YA pick. Can’t wait to see how it does when it debuts. I predict – HUGE
8:46 pm ChrisRichman: #kidlitchat If anyone submitted to me while I was at Firebrand and didn’t hear a response, please resubmit. Unless If I have your MS.
8:46 pm jlbellwriter: @SuePinto When publishing pros say the market is “soft,” they means it’s really, really hard.
8:46 pm EgmontGal: actually, @lynnkelly’s new book is very, very edgy. but you’ll have to ask her
8:46 pm DDHearn: @KellyDHouse Me too. What is “edgy” today? It almost seems like the envelope has already been pushed to bursting.
8:46 pm Evilgenius333: RT @elanaroth: 1 def of “edgy”: not shying away from uncomfortable teen realities. But not in a preachy way. In an honest way.
8:46 pm tidesox28: @gregpincus I’m glad it’s “softening.” I have to read to my two and three year old. Some of the older picture books are brutal
8:46 pm cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take aways: You can teach anyone to critique. Have them note B=Bored C=Confused D=Don’t Understand @kdueykduey
8:47 pm HeleneBoudreau: @KellyDHouse edgy YA: cutting, rape, sex, language, etc. but integral to the plot, relevant to the character
8:47 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson not always. some people can’t plot and i can’t create one. But no “why do we care” not easily fixed either #kidlitchat
8:47 pm realmlovejoy: What I think of “edgy” = causes readers to be on edge of seat because the story seems merciless. Brutally honest too. #kidlitchat
8:47 pm pvlundqvist: RT @Evilgenius333: RT @cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take aways:1) Be aware of the market. 2) Don’t write to the market. #kidlitchat What a juggle
8:47 pm ChrisRichman: Not being preachy is a big key for “edgy” books. Don’t write about a topic just to shock people; don’t be afraid to be honest. #kidlitchat
8:47 pm gregpincus: @tidesox28 Ahh, softening in this case mean that sales are down. In fact, the “quiet” PB is an even harder sell now, it seems. #kidlitchat
8:48 pm JeannineNorris: @KateMessner I’ve got a mss. at 8 months, right behind you I guess. Long wait… #kidlitchat
8:48 pm marybrebner: So, WINTERGIRLS is edgy, then, right? Brutally honest, faces teen reality head-on (eating disorders, suicide, cutting). #kidlitchat
8:48 pm LiaKeyes: Sorry, late arrival… is there a topic this evening? #kidlitchat
8:48 pm WriterRoss: Are there any chain booksellers here? Noticeable increase in toys and sidelines on sales floor of B & N and BORDERS. Thoughts? #kidlitchat
8:48 pm AudryT: In Hollywood, “edgy” is meaningless spin. Have to get used to it actually being about something. #kidlitchat
8:48 pm KellyDHouse: @HeleneBoudreau Thanks – I do think that being integral to plot is important – not just written to shock. #kidlitchat
8:49 pm elanaroth: @ChrisRichman Exactly. Classic teen problem novels aren’t necessarily edgy just because they tackle “issues”. #kidlitchat
8:49 pm ZimblerMiller: @DDHearn Many book agents have relationships with film/tv agents. You’ll have to ask your agent how she does film/tv projects. #kidlitchat
8:49 pm lynnekelly: Only in @EgmontGal’s mind! RT @EgmontGal: actually, @lynnekelly’s new book is very, very edgy. but you’ll have to ask her #kidlitchat
8:49 pm DDHearn: @bonnieadamson I think plot is probably easier to teach than voice. Not having been trained as a writer, voice is a mystery. #kidlitchat
8:49 pm tidesox28: @gregpincus to be honest, I can’t afford picture books. we read 10 or 15 a day. Gotta go library on that one. #kidlitchat
8:49 pm EgmontGal: @lynnekelly I think you were ” a writer at houston SCBWI” with very, very edgy book for middle graders #kidlitchat
8:49 pm KateMessner: @JeannineNorris I’m actually expecting news after a mtg. tomorrow (eek!) #kidlitchat
8:49 pm cheriwilliams: RT @elanaroth: One definition of “edgy”: not shying away from uncomfortable teen realities. In a not-preachy, honest way. #kidlitchat
8:49 pm EgmontGal: @marybrebner Edgy? Hmm. Maybe Speak is Edgy. And a masterpiece. Wintergirls is heartbreaking and breathtaking. #kidlitchat
8:50 pm DDHearn: @tidesox28 In what way are the older picture books brutal? #kidlitchat
8:50 pm marybrebner: @KateMessner Ooh! Fingers crossed! #kidlitchat
8:50 pm elanaroth: Courtney Summers’ Cracked Up To Be is edgy, Gossip Girl is also edgy. #kidlitchat
8:50 pm ChrisRichman: I like edgier fiction, but it has to have a purpose in the story. #kidlitchat
8:50 pm joycelansky: @elanaroth What’s edgy to one person may not be to someone else. It’s very personal. #kidlitchat
8:50 pm lynnekelly: @EgmontGal remember the “e” on the lynne; there is a lynn kelly who’s getting some confusing tweets about a very weird book! #kidlitchat
8:50 pm KayCassidy: @EgmontUSA What are you excited about reading right now? #kidlitchat
8:50 pm jeanie_w: @LiaKeyes What did you take away from #SCBWI09? #kidlitchat
8:50 pm JeannineNorris: @KateMessner Good luck! #kidlitchat
8:50 pm MareeAnderson: @AudryT My paranormal YA has a scene in the bathroom–yay, I did something right! #kidlitchat
8:50 pm landlroecker: @marybrebner Ooh, Wintergirls was another one of my favorite books this year. There are some scenes I will never forget.. #kidlitchat
8:50 pm elanaroth: I actually wouldn’t call SPEAK edgy at all. Beautiful yes. Honest, yes. Edgy? I dunno. Can literary be edgy? #kidlitchat
8:50 pm EgmontGal: @KateMessner GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!! #kidlitchat
8:51 pm KateMessner: Don’t most edgy MG books slip into the YA category? As an author/teacher, I feel like those lines are blurring. #kidlitchat
8:51 pm DDHearn: @LiaKeyes Several. Edgy books seems to be the topic of the moment. #kidlitchat
8:51 pm isgd: Is Good @KateMessner GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!! #kidlitchat: @KateMessner GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!! #kidlitchat http://bit.ly/UByYI
8:51 pm jeanie_w: @elanaroth Would you call FEED edgy? #kidlitchat
8:51 pm EgmontGal: @lynnekelly i can’t believe two people would write about a boy and elephant love affair! You’re kidding me. #kidlitchat
8:51 pm marybrebner: @EgmontGal Just finished it this morning. It was hard to read-but so good. Her characterization of Lia was absolutely amazing. #kidlitchat
8:51 pm KrisYankee: Agree! Plot can be explained. Voice, no RT @DDHearn: @bonnieadamson plot is probably easier to teach than voice. #kidlitchat
8:51 pm cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take away: 1) The market sucks. 2) Write books that don’t. #kidlitchat
8:51 pm gregpincus: Sherman Alexie spoke powerfully about the fact our writing can change lives. This was echoed by many #kidlitchat
8:51 pm EgmontGal: @elanaroth I say edgy because it scares a lot of parents I know. They have told me, unsolicited. #kidlitchat
8:52 pm elissacruz: What about books that are not edgy? Is there still a market out there for those? #kidlitchat
8:52 pm AudryT: @MareeAnderson Huzzah! I think half the action in my YA takes place in the bathroom, like my youth did. #kidlitchat
8:52 pm jlbellwriter: Does definition of “edgy” vary regionally? Is “edgy” for one sales rep ho-hum for another? #kidlitchat
8:52 pm elanaroth: @jeanie_w To me, yes, FEED is edgy. I’ll emphasize TO ME. It’s also f’in brilliant. Even though there’s not much plot. #kidlitchat
8:52 pm katie_bowden: @elissacruz hear hear! how about a good quest! #kidlitchat
8:52 pm EngridE1: RT @cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take away: 1) The market sucks. 2) Write books that dont. #kidlitchat
8:52 pm EgmontUSA: @KayCassidy Well, obviously I’m excited about all the upcoming Egmont books, but I’ve been catching up on my ARCS . . . . #kidlitchat
8:52 pm ChrisRichman: Okay, I’ve got to run. Thanks everyone! #kidlitchat
8:52 pm EgmontGal: @KateMessner you’ve said a mouthful. but what is an edgy MG? we can’t get people to read up. #kidlitchat
8:53 pm rillajaggia: @elanaroth I don’t think edgy is a question of literary vs commercial, but more a matter of subject and plot…yes? #kidlitchat
8:53 pm DDHearn: @KayCassidy To me the Octavian Nothing books were much more harrowing and “edgy” than Hunger Games. But would kids like them? #kidlitchat
8:53 pm elanaroth: @EgmontGal So new definition of “edgy” is anything that scares parents? #kidlitchat
8:53 pm joycelansky: @KrisYankee You learn voice by reading. #kidlitchat
8:53 pm AudryT: @KateMessner As a teacher, are there any subjects you consider too edgy for teens? #kidlitchat
8:53 pm HeleneBoudreau: @elissacruz Clean teen/tween? Big fan. LURVE Ally Carter’s Gallagher Girls #kidlitchat
8:53 pm MargieGelb: @elissacruz The term “edgy” is interesting. What would the def. of edgy be? I think that can vary from person to person, no? #kidlitchat
8:53 pm kristinlgray: T @cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take away: 1) The market sucks. 2) Write books that dont. #kidlitchat
8:54 pm jeanie_w: @elanaroth Agreed. The voice in FEED is amazingly well done. #kidlitchat
8:54 pm DDHearn: @jeanie_w I would call FEED edgy. At least in the language department. #kidlitchat
8:54 pm EgmontGal: @elanaroth No. But some considered it edgy in its day, and still do. Brilliant, provocative. Uncomfortable for some. #kidlitchat
8:54 pm ConnieAnnKirk: @EgmontGal You appear to be the ‘host’ of #kidlitchat , so I’ll thank you! Perhaps you don’t want that title?
8:54 pm tidesox28: @DDHearn They lack plot. Perfect example CRAZY CLOTHES by Yektai and No, I Want Daddy! by Nadine Brun-Cosme. #kidlitchat
8:54 pm marybrebner: @elissacruz: What about books that aren’t edgy? Still a market? ~IMO, there’s always a market for brain candy. I <3 brain candy! #kidlitchat
8:54 pm lynnekelly: @EgmontGal No, I don't mean the lynn person writes elephant books; just that she's getting replies if user name's misspelled #kidlitchat
8:54 pm joycelansky: @jlbellwriter Probably. Edgy in some places could mean not going to church. #kidlitchat
8:55 pm EgmontGal: @HeleneBoudreau @elissacruz if you like clean tween/teen, read The Cinderella society by @kaycassidy. (no more plugs from me.) #kidlitchat
8:55 pm EgmontGal: @lynnekelly But she writes about boys and animals together, um, you know? Yes? #kidlitchat
8:55 pm KrisYankee: @joycelansky I think some authors have a natural voice. Others don't. But I do agree with you. #kidlitchat
8:55 pm AudryT: Indeed. RT @joycelansky: @jlbellwriter Probably. Edgy in some places could mean not going to church. #kidlitchat
8:55 pm lchardesty: Gotta go, everyone! It's been fun, but DD wants to watch "The Smiffles" (The Smurfs), and my computer is the DVD player. G'nite #kidlitchat
8:55 pm bonnieadamson: @cheriwilliams Thanks for doing such a great job with the topic! #kidlitchat
8:55 pm KateMessner: @AudryT As a teacher, I won't make broad brush generalizations about what's "too edgy" b/c teens have such varying needs/tastes. #kidlitchat
8:56 pm KayCassidy: @DDHearn I'm sad to admit I still have not read Octavian Nothing. It's on my list of Why Haven't You Read Me Yet books. #kidlitchat
8:56 pm rillajaggia: @joycelansky -- or drinking too much butterbeer. #kidlitchat
8:56 pm WriterRoss: RT @ConnieAnnKirk: @EgmontGal You appear to be the host of #kidlitchat , so Ill thank you! Perhaps you dont want that title? #kidlitchat
8:56 pm realmlovejoy: @elissacruz I think so. I actually haven't read many edgy YA books that came out recently. Seems more uncommon. #kidlitchat
8:56 pm tidesox28: To me as a teacher, there's a big difference between read-aloud edgy and silent reading edgy. I don't read 'edgy' books aloud #kidlitchat
8:56 pm EgmontGal: @ConnieAnnKirk @gregpincus is the host. i'm just bossy and talkative. #kidlitchat
8:56 pm elissacruz: @MargieGelb It seems like all I hear lately is "edgy." I still don't have an accurate definition. But I know I don't write it. #kidlitchat
8:56 pm KateMessner: @AudryT I do have some books in my classroom that I know are right for some kids -not others - & I make personal recs. #kidlitchat
8:57 pm KayCassidy: @EgmontGal LOL. Thanks, E! #kidlitchat
8:57 pm DDHearn: @KayCassidy They are amazingly well written, like you are right in that time period. But that could be off putting to some kids. #kidlitchat
8:57 pm joycelansky: @EgmontGal Did you get many drinks in LA? Sorry I wasn't there to buy you one. #kidlitchat
8:57 pm KindrilyKaren: EDGY(as all opinions)is SO subjective.Just write ur story. Put ur heart in it. But dont take it personal if evry1 duznt "get it" #kidlitchat
8:57 pm joycelansky: @rillajaggia LOL #kidlitchat
8:57 pm EngridE1: @katie_bowden OMG, I say my MG book is a mystery, but I just realized it could b a Quest. Seriously, I didn't think of that #kidlitchat
8:57 pm realmlovejoy: Do you guys think publishers are more hesitant to take on edgy YA in this economy because of risks? #kidlitchat
8:57 pm elissacruz: @marybrebner brain candy! Love it! #kidlitchat
8:57 pm catesfolly: Edgy strikes me as code. We've had sardonic, snide, vulgar, witty, and smart all mixed up together for a long time. Vonnegut? #kidlitchat
8:57 pm KatherineBoG: What I learned today: don't use the word "edgy". Apparently it means something different to each person. #kidlitchat
8:58 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren hear hear! well said. #kidlitchat
8:58 pm WriterRoss: @EgmontGal I was waiting for your response. And it was worth the wait. #kidlitchat
8:58 pm ConnieAnnKirk: @EgmontGal Ha! Well, in that case, thanks to @gregpincus! This was fun to check out, and there’s always the transcript. #kidlitchat
8:58 pm AudryT: Wish you’d been my teacher RT @KateMessner wont make broad brush generalizations bout “too edgy” b/c teens vary needs/tastes #kidlitchat
8:58 pm catesfolly: Even Judy Blume in her day, no? #kidlitchat
8:58 pm EgmontGal: @realmlovejoy Publishers are merely reluctant to take on what they can’t make $$ on. YA is hot hot hot #kidlitchat
8:58 pm marybrebner: KateMessner @AudryT Do have some books in class right for some-not others & I make personal recs. ~Me, too. Variety’s important. #kidlitchat
8:58 pm MarieDevers: So who should play Katniss in the inevitable Hunger Games movie? And more importantly, who should play Gale? #kidlitchat
8:59 pm Evilgenius333: RT @KindrilyKaren: EDGY is SO subjective. Write ur story. Put ur heart in it. But dont take it personal if evry1 duznt “get it” #kidlitchat
8:59 pm ZimblerMiller: @EgmontGal Is MG also hot? #kidlitchat
8:59 pm joycelansky: @catesfolly Vonnegut was very edgy. Entire pages talking about the size of a man’s __________. #kidlitchat
8:59 pm KateMessner: @elissacruz I don’t write edgy either so I hope there’s still a market for that, too- GIANNA Z is fun and squeaky clean. #kidlitchat
8:59 pm DDHearn: @catesfolly Good point. I think that many parents would have been uncomfortable with Judy Blume books when they first came out. #kidlitchat
8:59 pm EgmontGal: @joycelansky got plenty of drinks, plenty of very nice conversations. loved the whole thing. very inspiring. #kidlitchat
8:59 pm JeannineNorris: @catesfolly Gosh, I remember when Judy Blume was edgy. #kidlitchat
8:59 pm WriterRoss: I’ve noticed you all took away the word “take away” from the conference. Is this an LA thing? #kidlitchat
8:59 pm MargieGelb: @EgmontGal Totally agree. I think good writing and sellable is most important. #kidlitchat
8:59 pm jeanie_w: @MarieDevers How about that girl who was in Atonement and City of Ember? #kidlitchat
9:00 pm HeleneBoudreau: @EgmontGal Thanks! Will check it out. #kidlitchat
9:00 pm EgmontUSA: @ZimlerMiller Strong middle grade is desperately being sought, and in high demand. #kidlitchat
9:00 pm cheriwilliams: @bonnieadamson Thanks Bonnie
9:00 pm gregpincus: Here’s a Topic 2: Editor Dinah Stevenson spoke of the 4 C’s – for her, they were creativity, craft, community and chocolate
9:00 pm EgmontGal: @ZimblerMiller not as hot as YA. But every publisher says they want MG ( so it seems to me). Egmont sure does.
9:00 pm ktubb: @KateMessner Thank you for this —> As a teacher, I won’t make broad generalizations.
9:00 pm gregpincus: But she said everyone has a different fourth C. What is yours?
9:00 pm WriterRoss: And not as many recaps repeated the word “great voice,” although that seems to be Desired Element #1.
9:01 pm elanaroth: @EgmontGal Yeah…I am calling you guys about a new MG like tomorrow…shhh. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm KrisYankee: Thanks for letting me poke in here. Will make sure to put this on my calendar for next week. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm EgmontGal: @EgmontUSA good answer! #kidlitchat
9:01 pm ZimblerMiller: @EgmontUSA “Strong” means what? #kidlitchat
9:01 pm MargieGelb: @Jeannine Norris @catesfolly I would consider Judy Blume, Norma Klein, and Harry and Norma Fox Mazer “edgy,” at least then. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm KateMessner: @DDHearn @catesfolly My mother hid my Judy Blume books. I had to go searching for them in spare cupboard behind Kleenex. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm ktubb: @gregpincus I saw this on the blog – mine is Character! #kidlitchat
9:01 pm KellyDHouse: @gregpincus COFFEE! #kidlitchat
9:01 pm gregpincus: On the fourth C front, @LeeWind said “commitment” which is better than my coffee and caffeine initial thoughts #kidlitchat
9:01 pm SuePinto: @DDHearn Books are no different than tv..someone always wants to push envelope. Eventally, innocence will come back around. #kidlitchat
9:01 pm marybrebner: Off to read some brain candy (Oh. My. Gods., actually) then bed. School tomorrow! Well, teacher training. See y’all next week! #kidlitchat
9:01 pm katie_bowden: @EgmontUSA LOVE to hear that! #kidlitchat
9:02 pm rillajaggia: @gregpincus i’m all for chocolate. and cats. and catnaps. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm DDHearn: @gregpincus Does it have to start with a c? Mine would be hope. If I lose hope I’ll just quit. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm gregpincus: @ConnieAnnKirk @BonnieAdamson and I host #kidlitchat but as you see, it’s a democratic process!
9:02 pm tidesox28: @KateMessner I was totally in to Super Fudge back in the day. Mom flipped when I asked to read God, Are You There…. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm joycelansky: @gregpincus C = conference. Going to them to make connections. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm elissacruz: I’d like to know how the MG is doing, too. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm AudryT: Youthful innocence = illusion. Prefer truthful writing. RT @SuePinto: @DDHearn Eventally, innocence will come back around. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm EgmontGal: @KateMessner My mother wouldn’t let me read Jaws but was ok with Vonnegut, go ask alice, manchild in the promised land. WTF? #kidlitchat
9:02 pm WriterRoss: A fourth C… Characters we Care About.. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm EgmontUSA: @ZimblerMiller Great voice. Engaging plot. Strong hook. #kidlitchat
9:02 pm cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take aways: 1) *Commercial* is not a four-letter word. 2) Pandering to the market is. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm DDHearn: @SuePinto Oh, I hope you are right. We seem to be in such a dark time right now, everything so bleak and harsh. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm rillajaggia: @gregpincus and thank you for doing so much for community– #kidlitchat
9:03 pm catesfolly: Okay I like edgy then to mean something that makes the parents’ butts scrunch. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm bonnieadamson: How about “career”–as in, you need to be in it for real? #kidlitchat
9:03 pm gregpincus: @DDHearn Yes, it has to start with a C in this case. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm Gwenda: @EgmontGal Fear of pools is a bridge too far? #kidlitchat
9:03 pm jimhill: @gregpincus I’d throw in a C for Courage to your list. The 5th C? #kidlitchat Fav quote, “Art is hard. Be Brave.”
9:03 pm ZimblerMiller: @EgmontUSA And MG series — also sought? #kidlitchat
9:03 pm JeannineNorris: @KateMessner our grade school librarian also happened to be my mom’s best friend. She tried to talk me out of Judy Blume. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm realmlovejoy: Great chat, guys and gals! Stepping out. Dinner! #kidlitchat
9:03 pm cheriwilliams: RT @EgmontUSA: @ZimlerMiller Strong middle grade is desperately being sought, and in high demand. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm KateMessner: @EgmontGal LOL. I was allowed JAWS but not DEENIE. Our mothers would have been friends. #kidlitchat
9:03 pm AudryT: RT @cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take aways: 1) *Commercial* is not a four-letter word. 2) Pandering to the market is. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm EgmontGal: @EgmontUSA Damn, you’re good! Alison (@egmont USA) is young but she sure knows what we are looking for. She reads ms every day #kidlitchat
9:04 pm tidesox28: @catesfolly I wouldn’t worry too much about parents as a writer. worry about the kids #kidlitchat
9:04 pm joycelansky: I have to teach tomorrow too. I’d rather bang on the drums all day. Good night all and thanks for the chat. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm rillajaggia: @EgmontGal my mother wouldn’t let me read Enid Blyton or Nancy Drew #kidlitchat
9:04 pm KatherineBoG: Since everyone’s talking about Judy Blume, I’m just going to share my intense excitement that she’s signing at my bookstore Sat #kidlitchat
9:04 pm Evilgenius333: RT @cheriwilliams: #scbwi09 Take aways: 1)*Commercial*is not a four-letter word. 2) Pandering to the market is. #kidlitchat Keep em coming!
9:04 pm DDHearn: @AudryT I agree writing must be truthful. But there is as much beauty as ugliness in the world, and so much is focused on bad. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm bonnieadamson: LOL re: edgy: My mother wouldn’t let me read Gone With The Wind until I was 12–said it was “a little rough.” #kidlitchat
9:04 pm gregpincus: RT @EgmontUSA: @ZimblerMiller Strong middle grade is desperately being sought, and in high demand. #kidlitchat
9:04 pm KellyDHouse: Alright, everyone, I’m turning in for the night. Think my ‘puter is going to overheat. Thanks for a great chat! #kidlitchat
9:05 pm nandinibajpai: @gregpincus my 4th C = Chai #kidlitchat
9:05 pm jeanie_w: @KateMessner You weren’t allowed DEENIE? I guess you never got to read FOREVER then. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm kaerfel: Hi, everyone! #kidlitchat
9:05 pm Gwenda: (The c is obviously for cocktails! And on that erudite note, I’m off to dreamland. Night all.) #kidlitchat
9:05 pm Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat Did anyone put in their C as: Community yet?
9:05 pm WriterRoss: @KatherineBoG We’re coming up to Cape Cod next week– 8/21. Too late for Judy, alas. #kidlitchat
9:05 pm KindrilyKaren: ZimblerMiller “Strong” means? #kidlitchat *means havn agent or editor tear ur work 2 pieces & u sayin “thank u.” (&meaning it.) #kidlitchat
9:05 pm EgmontUSA: @kaerfel Hi Chelsea! #kidlitchat
9:05 pm rillajaggia: Computer — there’s a great ‘C’ couldn’t do without it. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm KateMessner: @jeanie_w I got to read FOREVER. My older sister hid it in her shoe holder for me. #kidlitchat
9:06 pm bonnieadamson: @EgmontUSA How about strong historical MG? #kidlitchat
9:06 pm SuePinto: @AudryT I mean that trends always change…”edgy” may become the outcast at some point whether or not I like it or not #kidlitchat
9:06 pm cheriwilliams: The fourth C? I’m so *crazy* about writing for *children*, I’ll *certainly* be *commited*? #kidlitchat
9:06 pm landlroecker: My parents let me read whatever I wanted…love them for doing that. Of course that meant I was reading Stephen King at 12… #kidlitchat
9:06 pm KayCassidy: @kaerfel Welcome, Chelsea! #kidlitchat
9:06 pm jeanie_w: @KateMessner Smart move #kidlitchat
9:06 pm ZimblerMiller: @KindrilyKaren Very cute definition of “strong.” #kidlitchat
9:06 pm WriterRoss: @KateMessner I was not allowed to see THE EXORCIST. Still have yet to see the movie. Now I could care less. Darnit! #kidlitchat
9:06 pm KindrilyKaren: @ZimblerMiller “Strong” means? #kidlitchat *means havn agent or editor tear ur work 2 pieces & u sayin “thank u.” (&meaning it.) #kidlitchat
9:06 pm elanaroth: I feel under-utilized tonight. Toss in any agent questions now, or I’m gonna turn my attention to the TV. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm bonnieadamson: RT @rillajaggia: Computer — theres a great C couldnt do without it. <--True! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm EgmontGal: @kaerfel Hi, chelsea! @zimblermiller yes, series sought, too. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm AudryT: My parents didn't know what I was reading as a kid. <3 Mwa, thank you library! #kidlitchat
9:07 pm EgmontGal: I wasn't allowed to see Cabaret until high school and as far as me enjoying it, Mom was right. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm DDHearn: @WriterRoss I was in my twenties when I saw the Exorcist and it scared me silly. I would never have let my young kids see it. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm KayCassidy: @KatherineBoG Oooo! I wish I lived in New England. I'd be there in a heartbeat. #kidlitchat
9:07 pm EgmontGal: @elanaroth why don't people follow your query guidelines? #kidlitchat
9:07 pm KellyDHouse: @elanaroth no, yo've given me the best def. of "edgy" I've heard . . . #kidlitchat
9:08 pm tidesox28: @landlroecker I loved Stephen King as a teen. I still love him. I think I have to, being from Maine. But I have fond memories #kidlitchat
9:08 pm EgmontGal: @elanaroth What do you most want/not want in a submission? #kidlitchat
9:08 pm katie_bowden: Can I get a verdict on word counts for middle grade? Urban fantasy, not a whole new world. I'm clocking in at 45K. High? Low? #kidlitchat
9:08 pm bonnieadamson: @elanaroth Wait, don't go! um, um, are you feeling more kindly towards pbs these days? #kidlitchat
9:08 pm justkeepreading: @egmontUSA yes! yes! yes! as a 7th grade english teach i see the need for strong MG stories!! #kidlitchat
9:08 pm EngridE1: @GregPincus @BonnieAdamson Thank you for an extremely lively #kidlitchat
9:08 pm kaerfel: @AudryT My parents didn't know, either. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm elanaroth: @EgmontGal Because they are lazy. Or think they are the exception. Those are my two best guesses. #kidlitchat
9:08 pm EgmontGal: I have never recovered from seeing Wait Until Dark on TV in 6th grade. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm WriterRoss: @DDHearn So my mom and dad did something right with me. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm bonnieadamson: @DDHearn STILL have not seen The Exorcist–reading it was bad enough! #kidlitchat
9:09 pm johannaharness: @lacorbeau Just didn’t want to miss #kidlitchat another week in a row!
9:09 pm KindrilyKaren: RT@Ginger_Clark Writers: you know what is attractive in a potential client? PROFESSIONALISM. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm EKokie: @KateMessner FOREVER is the book that taught me I could read whatever I wanted, even if I wasn’t supposed to…very freeing…#kidlitchat
9:09 pm rarararach: @tehawesomersace Hmm will have to go look. thanks! @colleenlindsay need intern for summer? #kidlitchat
9:09 pm andybrokaw: @elanaroth #kidlitchat Is writing in present tense a massive turnoff?
9:09 pm EngridE1: @EgmontGal @elanaroth @EgmontUSA Thank you for all the information – greatly appreciated. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat Time for a tater-tot date with my wife now. Minds out of gutter, kiddies. Ketchup will be involved. See ya real soon!
9:09 pm Lisa_Frame: I guess I was lucky. My mother encouraged me to read anything in the house and didn’t censor. She felt it was my best education. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm DDHearn: @bonnieadamson Mom gave me Night of the Hunter to read when I was about 13. That was one scary book. #kidlitchat
9:09 pm jlbellwriter: @EgmontGal Loved CABARET myself; still startled to see a local children’s theater tackle it this summer. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm elanaroth: @bonnieadamson PBs…yes…they are SO tough to sell, especially just on ms. And for me the art has to be so fresh to take on. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal Oh–Wait Until Dark–that’s a classic. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm ZimblerMiller: @EgmontGal I’ve never recovered from seeing In Cold Blood in college. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm KateMessner: @katie_bowden MG can vary- My upcoming book is around 45K – the one I’m revising now just over 60K. Editor seems fine with both. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm EgmontGal: @EKokie i talked about you earlier. On another note, we read gross parts of The Exocist aloud on the school bus #kidlitchat
9:10 pm Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat Thanks to @gregpincus and @BonnieAdamson as always for gathering the Community. That’s the C-word!
9:10 pm DDHearn: @andybrokaw The Hunger Games is in first person present, and is a huge hit. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm EgmontUSA: Phew! I was worried that @elanaroth would leave us! I’d be sad. #kidlitchat
9:10 pm elanaroth: @andybrokaw Not at all! But I have sold a book like that and then had the editor make the author change it to past tense… #kidlitchat
9:10 pm KayCassidy: @justkeepreading I totally agree. Would love to see more like My Life in Pink & Green or Operation Redwood. Kid power books! #kidlitchat
9:11 pm gregpincus: Thanks all for the great “fourth C’s” – I’ll compile the list and we’ll get them to Dinah Stevenson #kidlitchat
9:11 pm ColleenLindsay: @rarararach Yes, details on how to apply for internship are on my blog. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm dosankodebbie: @elanaroth Actually I did ask a Q about agents. Are there agents who specialize in kids lit translated from other languages? #kidlitchat
9:11 pm tidesox28: RT @Evilgenius333: #kidlitchat Thanks to @gregpincus and @BonnieAdamson as always for gathering the Community. Thats the C-word! #kidlitchat
9:11 pm DDHearn: @jlbellwriter Whoa! A kid’s theater doing Cabaret? Now, that is shocking. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm EngridE1: Good Night everyone! Can’t wait to read this transcript & c all Ive missed. Gotta put in a couple of hours writing my MG Quest #kidlitchat
9:11 pm ktubb: @ZimblerMiller I’ve never finished reading In Cold Blood – chilling. Had to put it away. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm bonnieadamson: Great topic: what book scarred you for life? #kidlitchat
9:11 pm elanaroth: I don’t have hard fast rules about anything, because I think anything can be done brilliantly. Except vampires. I hate vampires. #kidlitchat
9:11 pm kaerfel: @andybrokaw My book is in first person present tense, and so is Pam Bachorz’s Candor. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm AudryT: @elanaroth Is there a dearth of middle grade fiction for minorities? #kidlitchat
9:12 pm elanaroth: @dosankodebbie Not that I’m aware of. That seems more of a foreign rights agent thing. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson Go Ask Alice really, really scared me. So did the movie of it on TV. I am still afraid of it, actually. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm rarararach: @ColleenLindsay Thanks! I will be applying to many pubhouses come this fall for summer 2010–be on the look out for me! #kidlitchat
9:12 pm elanaroth: @kaerfel Nice little CANDOR plug there Yes, CANDOR is in present tense. That one did not get changed to past. #kidlitchat
9:12 pm EngridE1: @gregpincus c = (Twitter) Chat #kidlitchat
9:12 pm EgmontGal: @DDHearn we did Cabaret in high school #kidlitchat
9:13 pm ZimblerMiller: @ktubb I saw the movie in vivid color — I didn’t read the book. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm DDHearn: @bonnieadamson Lord of the Flies was the first book I read (as a teen) that really shocked and horrified me. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm jeanie_w: @bonnieadamson I don’t know about scarred, but after reading CARRIE at age 12, I slept w/ the lights on for a year. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm tidesox28: Reading CARRIE by Stephen King as a freshman kinda scared the crap out of me. My high school was even mentioned. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm catesfolly: G’night all. Thank you to our fearless coordinators! #kidlitchat
9:13 pm rillajaggia: the movie that haunts me continually is Legacy…and i saw it thirty years ago. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm elanaroth: @AudryT I think there’s a dearth of all good fiction for minorities. Not just MG. #kidlitchat
9:13 pm andybrokaw: #kidlitchat I personally like present tense, but I’ve had a lot of people wince when they hear I use it.
9:13 pm rarararach: #kidlitchat Not going to lie. I REALLY enjoy this and will hopefully be doing more of it in the future.
9:14 pm andybrokaw: #kidlitchat …of course there are people who wince at anything. =)
9:14 pm jlpowers: @EgmontGal I loved Go Ask Alice when I was a teen. But anything involving demons/evil magic scared the bejeezus outta me. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm dlschubert: @elanaroth How many full manuscripts do you have to read at any given time? (Sorry, agetn-related, but not kid related…) #kidlitchat
9:14 pm ZimblerMiller: @rillajaggia What’s Legacy about? #kidlitchat
9:14 pm dosankodebbie: @elanaroth The translations I have in mind are of stories old enough that foreign rights are not an issue. #kidlitchat
9:14 pm gregpincus: And @rararach (and all) @ColleenLindsay’s blog is at http://theswivet.com #kidlitchat
9:14 pm tidesox28: @jeanie_w CARRIE might be even scarier for boys. That first scene with the tampon #kidlitchat
9:15 pm EgmontGal: @andybrokaw I am a publisher, 25 years exp in biz, never have given a second’s thought to whether I prefer 1st or 3rd person #kidlitchat
9:15 pm kaerfel: @elanaroth I won an ARC from Pam and have been LOVING it! I was over halfway through before I realized it was in present tense. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm bonnieadamson: Scarred: For me, it was Sybil. One of the few books I ever threw away.Couldn’t stand to be in the same house with it. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm ebyss: I had forgotten all about Legacy #kidlitchat
9:15 pm EgmontGal: @tidesox28 Plug it up! Plug it up! #kidlitchat
9:15 pm KayCassidy: @elanaroth @kaerfel You know what’s funny? I didn’t even notice CANDOR was in first person present. Was too sucked in, I ’spose. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm dlschubert: @dlschubert @elanaroth Please forgive typo!!!! #kidlitchat
9:15 pm jeanie_w: @tidesox28 LOL #kidlitchat
9:15 pm elanaroth: @dlschubert I just loaded 3 full manuscripts to my Kindle today from clients. I also have 2-3 submissions. That # is variable. #kidlitchat
9:15 pm WriterRoss: @bonnieadamson Worse than CARRIE was SALEM’S LOT/Stephen King. I read and shivered and lost my cookies all at once #kidlitchat
9:15 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson Sybil! I blocked that one. I am still so horrified by and haunted by it. you are so, so right #kidlitchat
9:15 pm kaerfel: @andybrokaw Don’t tell people you use it–just do it. If you’re good enough, they won’t notice. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm JeannineNorris: This was fun – Thanks for making it easy on this first-timer…..goodnight! #kidlitchat
9:16 pm KateMessner: @kaerfel I never noticed CANDOR was 1st pers. present either – I think perhaps I only notice tense if it’s problematic. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm DDHearn: The scariest movie I saw as a child was the 60s version of The Haunting. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm elanaroth: @KayCassidy Agreed. CANDOR is so in-the-moment you almost need it in present tense. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm tidesox28: @EgmontGal Oh, I really didn’t have to hear that again. I really need to reread that book. Even the flashbacks are scary. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm jlpowers: Not a y.a. book but after I read one of my mom’s religious books, I was sure Satan was out to get me. Just me. Esp. me. #kidlitchat
9:16 pm EgmontGal: @JeannineNorris next time we’ll chew you up #kidlitchat
9:16 pm jeanie_w: @WriterRoss I never read any more Stephen King horrors after CARRIE. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm dlschubert: @elanaroth Not bad. Thanks for the info. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm rillajaggia: @ZimblerMiller an american woman inherits a haunted mansion in UK. Many heirs, but only one is ‘chosen’ others die painfully. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm justkeepreading: @KayCassidy I just have a hard time finding books they’ll read that aren’t too “mature” for 7th grdrs. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm elanaroth: By the way, everyone, I am shameless with plugging client stuff. Go pre-order CANDOR now. Or I’ll never come back here. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm ebyss: I love old Stephen King books. I grew up with them. The first I read was Pet Semetary. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm AudryT: All: Would love to know of any West Coast pub/agent internships to pass on to our readers. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson Why did you mention Sybil? Now I need to take a Xanax. #kidlitchat
9:17 pm katie_bowden: signing off – thanks to all. Looking forward to next time! #kidlitchat
9:17 pm EKokie: Relieved to see less hate for 1st person present tense. Best comment I’ve seen is when effective, even haters don’t notice #kidlitchat
9:18 pm EgmontUSA: @elanaroth I was going to do that, but I thought it would be too shameles from the Pulisher. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm ZimblerMiller: @rillajaggia Yipes! No wonder you are haunted. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm DDHearn: I’ve only read the Stephen King book about writing. I think I’ll keep it that way. They sound way too scary for me. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm elissacruz: I’m heading out to add more WC to that WIP of mine. Thanks for all the great #kidlitchat info!
9:18 pm tidesox28: @EgmontGal Until I got married, CARRIE was the only experience I had with the whole period thing. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal Sorry. I kept reading it, hoping for redemption–wasn’t any. Should be banned from the planet. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm elanaroth: @EKokie I always say that anything done well can work. No hard fast rules. #kidlitchat
9:18 pm KayCassidy: @KateMessner I’m the same. And CANDOR was so good it could’ve been written using a narrating monkey & I’d still have devoured it #kidlitchat
9:19 pm EgmontGal: @tidesox28 man, were you in for a surprise, then. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm EgmontUSA: I’ll add, though, that you should definitely check out www.candorfl.com because it’s awsome! #kidlitchat
9:19 pm jeanie_w: @DDHearn Smart idea. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm MitaliandMe: @elanaroth I would do that anyway. I keep doing that. I asked my library to buy it too! #kidlitchat
9:19 pm tidesox28: @elanaroth I just checked it out on Amazon. It’s being paired with CATCHING FIRE. You must be pumped. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm EKokie: I’m not sure it could work except in present @elanaroth @KayCassidy CANDOR so in-the-moment you almost need it in present tense #kidlitchat
9:19 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson I disagree. I’m glad she told her story. And she DID recover, pretty much. But so horrific. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm DDHearn: I better go, too. Husband will wonder if I’ve been eaten by my computer. Lost in the twitterverse. #kidlitchat
9:19 pm WriterRoss: @ebyss Was Stephen King competing against any contemporary YA writers when SALEM’S LOT, Carrie were pubbed? #kidlitchat
9:19 pm elanaroth: @EgmontUSA Yes! You’re a lifesaver for plugging that #kidlitchat
9:20 pm elanaroth: @tidesox28 Oh, it’s going to rule the world. Of that I’m sure #kidlitchat
9:20 pm EgmontGal: @tidesox28 @elanaroth @egmontusa Candor is being paired with Caching Fire on Amazon? Wahoooo! #kidlitchat
9:20 pm WriterRoss: @tidesox28 I am going to presume you are a male. I could be very wrong. #kidlitchat
9:20 pm KateMessner: Time for me to get back to revisions – thanks for a great chat, esp. @bonnieadamson & @gregpincus for coordinating! #kidlitchat
9:20 pm DDHearn: Who is the author of Candor, and is it a new book? #kidlitchat
9:21 pm bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal But so irretrievably damaged, don’t you think? So awful. #kidlitchat
9:21 pm EgmontGal: @WriterRoss Carrie came out as an original paperback when I was in 8th or 9th grade. YAs sold in hc to libraries then #kidlitchat
9:21 pm jeanie_w: @DDHearn @PeriPam wrote CANDOR #kidlitchat
9:21 pm elanaroth: @DDHearn Pam Bachorz is the author of CANDOR. It’s coming out Sept 22nd, published by the amazing @EgmontUSA #kidlitchat
9:21 pm EKokie: That’s what I’m learning. And it’s freeing me up to experiment @elanaroth …anything done well can work. No hard fast rules. #kidlitchat
9:21 pm tidesox28: @WriterRoss 50/50 chance…..but no, I am male. Afraid of girls through out high school because of CARRIE #kidlitchat
9:22 pm KindrilyKaren: @ZimblerMiller ~thank u. The most brutal & honest comments have made my story 10x stronger. All I can do is b gr8ful 4 honesty.#kidlitchat
9:22 pm ebyss: When I was younger. I read alot of Judy Blume and S.E Hinton and Beverly Cleary #kidlitchat
9:22 pm MitaliandMe: @elanaroth I think it shall make the NYT Bestseller list. =D Candor was wonderful! #kidlitchat
9:22 pm jlpowers: I like scary but I don’t like gross. Gore doesn’t inspire anything. Fear is worth exploring because every kid deals with it. #kidlitchat
9:22 pm EgmontGal: You know what? I think a thriller narrated by a monkey could be really cool. Futuristic. Scary. Thanks @kaycassidy! #kidlitchat
9:22 pm DDHearn: @elanaroth Thanks. I’ll look for Candor when it come out. I wish I could read faster, there are so many books I want to read. #kidlitchat
9:22 pm tidesox28: What’s up with CANDOR being paired with The Time Traveler’s Wife? #kidlitchat
9:22 pm elanaroth: @MitaliandMe You’re my new favorite person. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren @zimblermiller they keep telling me in houston that someone never came back after a very direct critique from me #kidlitchat
9:23 pm bonnieadamson: Oh, golly–Greg will have to post transcripts 1 & 2 again. Thanks for the brilliant chat, everyone. Love you all! #kidlitchat
9:23 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren But I don’t like that. I told him what he needed to do, not to drop out #kidlitchat
9:23 pm rarararach: #kidlitchat What is your favorite new kid/YA book of 2009?
9:23 pm nandinibajpai: CANDOR sounds great … adding it to my to read list #kidlitchat
9:23 pm WriterRoss: @EgmontGal Who was King competing against since so many read King as our YA novels.. I went from Betty Cavanna to SALEM’S LOT. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm DDHearn: I’m really off this time. Thanks for a lively discussion. #kidlitchat
9:23 pm KindrilyKaren: RT Pam Bachorz is the author of CANDOR. It’s coming out Sept 22nd, published by the amazing @EgmontUSA. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm justkeepreading: There awesome books but as a teacher I have to be careful. Hate having to censor. Too much swearing or sex & it’s off limits. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm ZimblerMiller: @EgmontGal Writers do have to be thick-skinned. I keep reminding people it’s not criticism — it’s constructive comments. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm MitaliandMe: @elanaroth LOL I was so excited when Pam decided to come to Teen Author Carnival. I got a copy then!My review goes up in 2 days! #kidlitchat
9:24 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson I don’t believe all books have to have a happy ending. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm lynnekelly: @EgmontGal Would you believe it, my WIP has a monkey. He’s not the narrator, though. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm KayCassidy: @EgmontGal LOL! As long as you don’t ask me to write it. #kidlitchat
9:24 pm bonnieadamson: @rarararach So far: When You Reach Me #kidlitchat
9:25 pm jeanie_w: @EgmontGal You can’t be held responsible for the thinness of a writer’s skin. #kidlitchat
9:25 pm elanaroth: @MitaliandMe Awesome! I’ll look for your review. #kidlitchat
9:25 pm ColleenLindsay: West Coast agents, heads up: –>RT @AudryT Would love to know of any West Coast pub/agent internships to pass on to our readers. #kidlitchat
9:25 pm EgmontGal: @WriterRoss Lois Duncan. In King’s early days, the YA stuff was the Scholastic romance lines+ stuff about drugs, gays, etc #kidlitchat
9:26 pm jlpowers: @justkeepreading yeah, my book has swearing–I was “keeping it real”–but definitely teachers have struggled with it in class #kidlitchat
9:26 pm MitaliandMe: @ColleenLindsay Are there any on the East Coast that you know of? #kidlitchat
9:26 pm elanaroth: @EgmontGal @bonnieadamson I actually prefer books with ambiguous-to-unhappy endings. This says a lot about me, I know. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm EgmontGal: @lynnekelly Is there, you know, what I’m looking for? #kidlitchat
9:26 pm rarararach: @BonnieAdamson Whats WHEN YOU REACH ME about? #kidlitchat
9:26 pm bonnieadamson: @EgmontGal Agree–I like what someone said, though: there has to be at least the possibility of hope. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm WriterRoss: RT @EgmontGal: You know what? I think a thriller narrated by a monkey could be really cool. Futuristic. Scary. #kidlitchat
9:26 pm MitaliandMe: @elanaroth I’ll link it to you. I think I follow you on Twitter! #kidlitchat
9:26 pm lynnekelly: True. No one has seen the cryer since RT @EgmontGal @KindrilyKaren @zimblermiller…never came back after a very direct critique #kidlitchat
9:26 pm EgmontGal: @jeanie_w It was very intense. I’ve always wondered what pulled me to lean across the desk, look him in the eye and #kidlitchat
9:27 pm KayCassidy: @rarararach For a romance, it’s a tie between Hush, Hush & Evermore #kidlitchat
9:27 pm jlpowers: @EgmontGal me either–and I think kids know the difference between “real” happy endings and fakes ones #kidlitchat
9:27 pm EgmontGal: tell him that his manuscript was too over the top in its praise of gay character and terrible straight ones #kidlitchat
9:27 pm littlefluffycat: @DDHearn Stephen King has a couple of other nonfiction books-Danse Macabre & Secret Windows-both w/lots of good writing info. #kidlitchat
9:27 pm ZimblerMiller: @bonnieadamson I can’t get over YA book where teen is put in a box with food and water and writes her journal until she dies. #kidlitchat
9:27 pm WriterRoss: @EgmontGal Yup. Read it all. But none with a monkey as narrator. #kidlitchat
9:27 pm lynnekelly: @EgmontGal Well, the monkey’s in only one scene, but his name means “chronic masturbator” in Swahili #kidlitchat
9:27 pm kaerfel: @KayCassidy Ooh, I want to read Hush, Hush really bad! Is it out yet? #kidlitchat
9:27 pm bonnieadamson: @rarararach Mystery–with scifi elements. VERY well done. Great coming of age subplot. #kidlitchat
9:28 pm KindrilyKaren: @EgmontGal ~Sad 4 him. I thanked the agent and pub that critiqued my 1st pg at conf. They only made it better. I welcome crit! #kidlitchat
9:28 pm tidesox28: OK, gotta go to bed. Little ones wake early. Nice meeting everyone. #kidlitchat
9:28 pm rillajaggia: Thanks all for taking a TweetChat virgin and making her a TweetChatoManiac. Goodnight! #kidlitchat
9:28 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren @zimblermiller @lynnekelly he just stared at me, said it was realistic I said “I know but tone it down”he left #kidlitchat
9:28 pm elanaroth: I’m really excited for GOING BOVINE. Like, a lot. #kidlitchat
9:29 pm MitaliandMe: @kaerfel @KayCassidy HUSH HUSH = AWESOME. I read it on a train ride. Almost forgot to get off at Penn Station! #kidlitchat
9:29 pm EgmontGal: @kaerfel @kaycassidy proud to say Hush Hush was edited by the brilliant Emily Meehan at S+S. She’s great #kidlitchat
9:29 pm nandinibajpai: Goodnight and thanks for a fab #kidlitchat !!
9:29 pm cheriwilliams: @pvlundqvist I agree. Writers are definitely jugglers! #kidlitchat
9:30 pm kaerfel: I also really want to read Rampant and Blood Promise. #kidlitchat
9:30 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren @lynnekelly I still remember it! I said no one will publish it like this, there are many gay stories out there #kidlitchat
9:30 pm rarararach: @kaerfel I want to read RAMPANT sooooo badly #kidlitchat
9:30 pm KayCassidy: @kaerfel Not yet. Hush, Hush comes out 10/13. I remember this because Bec & I are exactly 6 months apart on release. #kidlitchat
9:30 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren @lynnekelly The thing is, what in his writing had me be so direct? I’m not really like that usually, more gentle #kidlitchat
9:31 pm jeanie_w: @EgmontGal Sounds like guy’s probably been in homophobia hell. Tough situation. #kidlitchat
9:31 pm cheriwilliams: @EngridE1 @kristinlgray @AudryT @Evilgenius333 @janetleecarey Thanks for the RTs! #kidlitchat
9:31 pm gregpincus: My best crit session ever was with an editor who didn’t like my ms at all. It’s never personal (well, almost never, I suppose) #kidlitchat
9:31 pm EgmontGal: @KindrilyKaren @lynnekelly Although, he was a terrible writer. But that’s not unusual. Why was I so very direct? I’ve wondered #kidlitchat
9:31 pm lynnekelly: @elanaroth GOING BOVINE is awesome! How many people could write a hilarious tale of mad cow disease? #kidlitchat
9:31 pm HeleneBoudreau: Amazing YA with great gay secondary character: THE BECKONERS by Carrie Mac. Wow. #kidlitchat
9:32 pm kaerfel: @KayCassidy I keep finding books I REALLY want to read and then thinking I’m going to go buy it only to discover they’re not out #kidlitchat
9:32 pm KindrilyKaren: @EgmontGal @lynnekelly -i might cry at first (havnt yet). but after I make the changes & c the improvment. Id buy u a drink! #kidlitchat
9:32 pm LiaKeyes: Do one-word titles = edgy? #kidlitchat
9:32 pm EKokie: Sometimes a harsh crit is a much needed wake up call, the value of which can’t be seen until much later. #kidlitchat
9:32 pm EgmontGal: @gregpincus yeah, i felt he had an agenda, and I needed to say “it has to be a believable story. You’re not the first, sorry” #kidlitchat
9:32 pm KayCassidy: @EgmontGal Becca adores her. So nice when good things happen to good (and brilliantly talented!) people. #kidlitchat
9:32 pm bonnieadamson: All you people with access to ARCs–so frustrating! #kidlitchat
9:32 pm EgmontGal: @LiaKeyes one – word titles = popular #kidlitchat
9:32 pm WriterRoss: @gregpincus Did you defend your mss to editor, Greg? Or just let editor do the talking? #kidlitchat
9:32 pm ktubb: Thanks for a great chat, all! Must run off to do a little research tonight! #kidlitchat
9:33 pm elanaroth: I also think I’ll make a supernatural creature exception for Maggie Stiefvater’s SHIVER. #kidlitchat
9:33 pm EgmontGal: @kaerfel @kaycassidy we worry about that with blogs. don’t want people to review our books too soon #kidlitchat
9:33 pm rarararach: @lynnekelly @elanaroth GOING BOVINE was the funniest book I have read all summer. #kidlitchat
9:33 pm jeanie_w: @EgmontGal Maybe he hit a nerve. Your reality has lots of gays and straights getting along well. His seemed to deny that. #kidlitchat
9:33 pm MitaliandMe: @ElanaRoth @KayCassidy Nice to talk to you all! Thank you! =D #kidlitchat
9:33 pm EgmontGal: @bonnieadamson yeah, but that’s our job, bonnie! #kidlitchat
9:34 pm EgmontGal: @elanaroth I have thought about Shiver so often since reading it. Really haunting, and surprising, and convincing and deep #kidlitchat
9:34 pm elanaroth: @MitaliandMe Of course! Thanks! #kidlitchat
9:34 pm EgmontGal: @jeanie_w His reality had the gay boy as perfect in every way, I said he had to tone that down. #kidlitchat
9:34 pm jlpowers: @LiaKeyes No, one word titles don’t equal edgy…but they’re still cool. #kidlitchat
9:34 pm LiaKeyes: RT @EgmontGal: @LiaKeyes one – word titles = popular. Certainly, but because there’s inherent promise of YA edginess in brevity #kidlitchat
9:34 pm EgmontGal: @jeanie_w ten years later I’m still thinking about him!!! #kidlitchat
9:35 pm KindrilyKaren: @EgmontGal @lynnekelly -I feel for him. But if u cant take the heat, stay outta the pitch or critique session! #kidlitchat
9:35 pm EgmontUSA: I think I’ll steal Shiver from the office tomorrow. Also want to start How to Say Goodbye in Robot (love the title!) #kidlitchat
9:35 pm jlpowers: Okay, ya’ll, I have to say goodnight, but look forward to more chats here. GLAD to discover it!! #kidlitchat
9:35 pm marilynhilton: Lively discussion about children’s writing, reading, and publishing at #kidlitchat
9:35 pm gregpincus: @WriterRoss No, I did not defend it. I asked him about two of his points in regards to what I was trying to accomplish #kidlitchat
9:35 pm elanaroth: @EgmontGal Well, that’s as shining a review as any. Will definitely grab it. #kidlitchat
9:35 pm ColleenLindsay: @EgmontGal @ElanaRoth Three of our interns read Shiver and all have told me that they loved it. I can’t wait to read it. #kidlitchat
9:35 pm jeanie_w: @EgmontGal I hope he’s having a better time of it now. #kidlitchat
9:35 pm rarararach: @EgmontGal @elanaroth SHIVER was deep,I agree. I wasnt expecting that but then again I met Maggie in person before reading lol #kidlitchat
9:36 pm EgmontGal: @egmontusa if you are still there, i am going to reread some of the ms in question right now (wink, wink) #kidlitchat
9:36 pm elanaroth: @EgmontUSA Also, Natalie Standiford (@natstand) is awesome. I got to work with her in former life. She’s hilarious. #kidlitchat
9:36 pm EgmontGal: @jeanie_w God, so do I. I wish I could apologize for hurting him. #kidlitchat
9:36 pm gregpincus: @WriterRoss It was clear I had not succeeded. So, I used my time with him to ask a zillion other questions! #kidlitchat
9:36 pm MyraMcEntire: @EgmontUSA Shiver was AMAZING. #kidlitchat
9:36 pm LiaKeyes: @EgmontUSA Glad to know Shiver is being well-received, repped by my agent! #kidlitchat
9:37 pm WriterRoss: @gregpincus And the mss is all the better for it today, I hope. #kidlitchat
9:37 pm EgmontGal: @LiaKeyes I love your agent and that whole agency #kidlitchat
9:37 pm kaerfel: @EgmontGal What time frame is best for posting reviews before the book comes out? #kidlitchat
9:37 pm EgmontGal: @LiaKeyes And I love @elanaroth and many other special agents who may be on this chat #kidlitchat
9:37 pm LiaKeyes: And Shiver is a one-word title that makes me want to read it! #kidlitchat
9:37 pm elanaroth: Whoops. Got Natalie’s twitter wrong. It’s: @natstandiford #kidlitchat
9:37 pm EgmontUSA: @EgmontGal still here. Staring at the Kindle and thinking I should read, but I love #kidlitchat so much. It’s an addiction. #kidlitchat
9:37 pm KayCassidy: @EgmontGal @kaerfel Yep. It’s hard when ARCs go out v. early. Awesome 4 early buzz but balancing that with debut buzz – argh. #kidlitchat
9:38 pm rarararach: How did you guys become literary agents? Im a college student who wants to be editor or agent,cant decide =P #kidlitchat
9:38 pm WriterRoss: @EgmontGal There’s always The Google… {} #kidlitchat
9:38 pm EKokie: “perfect” characters are huge pet peeve of reader me. I worry writer me goes too far in overly flawed characters @EgmontGal #kidlitchat
9:38 pm LiaKeyes: @EgmontGal I do feel lucky. Got signed on 20 pages. That takes guts. #kidlitchat
9:38 pm EgmontGal: @kaerfel I guess ideal is the release date! I’m not kidding. people want to buy the book when they read a good review #kidlitchat
9:38 pm elanaroth: @EgmontGal I promise not to get jealous. #kidlitchat
9:39 pm kaerfel: @EKokie My pet peeve for “perfect” characters is ones who just magically learn languages super easy. #kidlitchat
9:39 pm KayCassidy: @EgmontUSA We’re glad you’re addicted, A. #kidlitchat
9:39 pm elanaroth: @rarararach I was an editor at a packager for 5 years before switching sides. I think it was the perfect learning experience. #kidlitchat
9:39 pm WriterRoss: Or opposite of perfect characs: unreliable or unlikeable (at least initially). Are these turn-offs? #kidlitchat
9:39 pm EgmontGal: @EgmontUSA god, me too! Also I’m scared that if I stop I’ll think about Sybil. #kidlitchat
9:39 pm AnjelusX: @AudryT That ruins the magic I suppose , to use mundane locals, or YA writers think their readers are idiots pick your choice
9:39 pm jeanie_w: @EKokie Yeah. Readers can’t identify with a perfect character.
9:40 pm EKokie: So I guess adding SHIVER to the TBR pile is a must…
9:40 pm gregpincus: @WriterRoss Well, he was right about the MS, so it’s better because I moved on to others
9:40 pm EgmontGal: I wonder if I’ll get a manuscript narrated by a monkey now. I do think that could be fun, a la roddy mcdowell

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