Kidlitchat Transcript – April 6
| 1:00 am | bonnieadamson: | TOPIC: How does poetry (writing it/reading it) help you as a writer? How does poetry fit in today’s marketplace? #kidlitchat |
| 1:00 am | pippinmathur: | Present for #kidlitchat |
| 1:00 am | adamselzer: | Ooh, fun topic! #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | dawnmetcalf: | It’s #kidlitchat time! |
| 1:01 am | bonnieadamson: | Has everyone been checking out Greg’s GottaBook for daily potry fix this month? http://gottabook.blogspot.com/ #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | gregpincus: | TOPIC: How does poetry (writing it/reading it) help you as a writer? How does poetry fit in today’s marketplace? #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | adamselzer: | Poetry forces you to manipulate language more consciously than prose. It’s a very useful skill to have in your pocket. #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | kidlitchat: | TOPIC: How does poetry (writing it/reading it) help you as a writer? How does poetry fit in today’s marketplace? #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | CarolTanzman: | hi, everyone. #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | sharifwrites: | @bonnieadamson My first writing projects as a teen were poems, and I think it was great practice for mood, tone, vocabulary. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | shikokusue: | Novels-in-verse are certainly popular! #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | EgmontGal: | I’ll be the first to publicly admit–I have been told to keep “A book of poems” off the jacket of a book to help sales. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | CarolTanzman: | @adamselzer I agree #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | bonnieadamson: | That’s po-e-try.  #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Oh,now that’s just sad. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | RebeccAgent: | hi…and I think I’ll be pretty quiet with this topic #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | shikokusue: | Reading writing poetry can help with rhythm, economy of language. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | adelegriffin: | @bonnieadamson #kidlitchat I am rereading Sailing Alone Around the Room and I love its precision with language |
| 1:03 am | sharifwrites: | @shikokusue I read two this year, and they were enjoyable (when I didn’t know what to expect). #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | dawnmetcalf: | Second that. I’m in awe of them. As well as things like MIRROR MIRROR. RT @shikokusue Novels-in-verse are certainly popular! #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | shikokusue: | @EgmontGal How about novel-in-verse? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | bonnieadamson: | @adelegriffin Good word: precision. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | EgmontGal: | Also re. market, Lee Bennett Hopkins nearly lynched me when I said a poet shouldn’t be new Children’s Ambassador. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | lisagailgreen: | I write stories w a rythm that I feel because I also write poetry (not like some people here but I enjoy it nonetheless) #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | kellybarnhill: | Hey #kidlitchat! Great topic. For me, the practice of poetry is incredibly important for my fiction. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | KatApel: | @EgmontGal That’s awful. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | RaineAugust: | Got up from a wonderful nap and in #kidlitchat (in and out though since I need to feed my belly, bloody nuisance!) How’s everyone? |
| 1:04 am | dawnmetcalf: | MIRROR MIRROR = A book of “Reverse Verse”  #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Why did you say that? #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | KatApel: | @shikokusue Verse novels seem to be doing very well in Australia. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | emilytastic: | I’m a poet first and a novelist second. Poetry has helped me to be a more conscientious writer. The market, though, is tough. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | EgmontGal: | I told Lee that because we need someone to ADVERTISE our field to the world, and too many think they don’t like poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | adamselzer: | It’s also a lot of fun to write intentionally bad poetry as a warm-up. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | pippinmathur: | Economy of words esp with picturebooks. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | bonnieadamson: | @dawnmetcalf Ooh, yes–I have that one on my list! MIRROR, MIRROR #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | dlschubert: | I’m a songwriter so that’s where my poetry shines. Not so much in my fiction writing, although rhythm & pacing come into play. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | kellybarnhill: | Poetry is a discipline: an entire narrative line can hinge upon a single syllable. In poetry, every word defines you. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | gstickle: | RT @shikokusue: Reading writing poetry can help with rhythm, economy of language. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | sharifwrites: | @adamselzer It is a useful skill. It also helped me tap into emotions, which helped me later w/characterization in novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | kellybarnhill: | Me too! RT @emilytastic: Im a poet first and a novelist second. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | bonnieadamson: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | EgmontGal: | So now that I have posted those downer comments, it’s not personal. But many consumers think they don’t like or “get” poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | And as for verse novels… uh… can’t complain. They work for me! #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | adelegriffin: | @kellybarnhill agree — for me though am not a poetry writer just a reader/appreciater #kidlitchat #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I’ll second that! RT @EllenHopkinsYA IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | laurielyoung: | Hi all! #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | EgmontGal: | Thinking of children’s books without poetry is impossible. We wouldn’t have our field without it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | RebeccAgent: | I think pb authors should think like a poet- economy of language a must. Every word has purpose #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | KatApel: | I think poetry is a great tool for any writer. You weigh your words – and play your words. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | gregpincus: | Agreed! RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | shikokusue: | RT @bonnieadamson: RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | TracyClark_TLC: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | bonnieadamson: | When do kids grow out of poetry, I wonder–is it school that kills it? #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | gstickle: | Awewome@dlschubertIm a songwriter so thats where my poetry shines. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | Poetry is sound. Sensory detail. Imagery. Making every word count. How can that not help a writer’s prose? #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | gregpincus: | I agree, @EgmontGal – somehow you have to get people to pick up the book and get past their biases. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | KrisYankee: | Hello all! Sneaking in for a bit. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | KatApel: | Funny – I think Twitter is a bit like poetry in many ways – making you hone in on words to fit the character count. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | ineedanap: | OH: Got up from a wonderful nap and in #kidlitchat (in and out though since I need to feed my belly, bloody nuisan… http://bit.ly/bsb55U |
| 1:07 am | CarolTanzman: | much of adult poetry is sort of elitist. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | DeborahFreedman: | @ RT RebeccAgent I think pb authors should think like a poet- economy of language a must. Every word has purpose #kidlitchat [absolutely] |
| 1:07 am | sharifwrites: | RT @KatApel: I think poetry is a great tool for any writer. You weigh your words – and play your words. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | jafhedlund: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: Poetry is sound. Sensory detail. Imagery. Making every word count. How can that not help a writers prose? #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | KatApel: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: Poetry is sound. Sensory detail. Imagery. Making every word count. How can that not help a writers prose? #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | gstickle: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | adelegriffin: | @KatApel ooh i love that thought #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | emilytastic: | @EgmontGal You’re right tho! People think poetry is something teens write in their journals or literature by dead white guys. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @bonnieadamson Middle school, and no, it’s their peers. But verse novel brings many of them back to it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | dawnmetcalf: | @kellybarnhill Agree. Poetry forces you to make every word count. In revisions, this is crucial. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | kellybarnhill: | Another thing I enjoy while wearing my “poet hat” is the embrace of paradox. Reality can bend and sway. Internal conflict, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | lisabrowndraws: | Hey tweeps! Poetry is essential for writing picture book prose. But I don’t read enough of it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | KrisYankee: | @KatApel I agree. Every word has to count in a tweet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | bonnieadamson: | Poetry=word play, essential for everyone. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | deegarretson: | @bonnieadamson partly, many teachers try to get kids to write poetry too soon, without reading enough, they get frustrated #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | gstickle: | RT @EgmontGal: Thinking of childrens books without poetry is impossible. We wouldnt have our field without it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | lisagailgreen: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: Poetry is sound. Sensory detail. Imagery. Making every word count. How can that not help a writer’s prose? #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | EgmontUSA: | @bonnieadmason I think it’s the WAY it’s so often taught in schools. Find the simile. What’s the meter? 1/2 #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | shikokusue: | @bonnieadamson Thinking of the way English lit was taught when I was a kid… I’d say yes. Analyzing every word to death…#kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | John_Marlow: | @bonnieadamson It’s a bit of a jump from kids’ poetry to adult; maybe no one points the way. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | martinejoelle: | RT @gregpincus: Agreed! RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | RaineAugust: | @EllenHopkinsYA So true! It does help. When I started writing music (lyrics), I became a better writer with my stories #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | dosankodebbie: | just lurking in #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | emilytastic: | @CarolTanzman Um, no it’s not. I don’t know how an entire market can be elitist. & there is plenty of accessible poetry avail. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | KrisYankee: | I’ve edited three PBs written in prose. It’s difficult to write/edit, but amazing when it’s done correctly. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | dlschubert: | Though, I must say, in my current YA novel, I’ve created the opportunity to sneak some poetry in. *grins* #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | lisabrowndraws: | Also re: pbs, rhythm and repetition is so important. I tell people to think of picture book prose as little prose poems. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontUSA Too much deconstruction? Sad, because kids are natural poets. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | kellybarnhill: | @KrisYankee Totally! Hence my secret belief that Twitter’s paving the way for a new revolution in poetry appreciation/production #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | gstickle: | RT @dawnmetcalf: @kellybarnhill Agree. Poetry forces you to make every word count. In revisions, this is crucial. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | KatApel: | @ RT RebeccAgent I think pb authors should think like a poet- economy of language a must. Every word has purpose. [Yes] #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | EgmontUSA: | @bonnieadamson The tools of poetry start overshadowing what those tools are doing to create meaning. Maybe? 2/2 #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @EgmontUSA Oh, I agree… I HATE when teachers teach form poetry (not formal, but fill-in-the-blanks). #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | EbonyHaywood: | RT @sharifwrites: RT @KatApel: I think poetry is a great tool for any writer. You weigh your words – and play your words. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | lisabrowndraws: | @KrisYankee Is the comparison to pbs written in verse? #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | pippinmathur: | RT @lisabrowndraws: Also re: pbs, rhythm and repetition is so important. I tell people to think of picture book prose as little prose poems. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I hate that, too. I took an education class in college that encouraged it. I felt all puke-y inside. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | RebeccAgent: | but let’s be frank. Poetry for kids, MG, and YA other than novels in verse is VERY hard to sell/breakthrough/find readers #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | kellybarnhill: | @CarolTanzman Billy Collins is elitist? Not sure I buy that…. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | chasingray: | I love Margarita Engle’s verse novels. She’s amazing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | shikokusue: | I like reading good poetry to warm up, fills my head with rich languge, arresting images. Provides a standard. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | lisabrowndraws: | For SURE RT @dawnmetcalf: @kellybarnhill Agree. Poetry forces you to make every word count. In revisions, this is crucial. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | ShellieBr: | #I thi@lisabrowndraws I couldn’t agree more! PB are all poetry! #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | martinejoelle: | reading/writing poetry helps me reach emotional energy arcs in my fiction writing and develop concise stories. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | KrisYankee: | @lisabrowndraws I don’t understand the question. The pbs were in verse, and yes, it’s diff to edit – need the correct cadence. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | adelegriffin: | @lisabrowndraws #kidlitchat agree, as a new read-aloud parent i have such fresh delight in pckbk prose/poems |
| 1:10 am | bonnieadamson: | @John_Marlow True–like art appreciation, lol. Takes a light hand. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @RebeccAgent It IS a hard sell, mostly because too many writers don’t do it well. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | chasingray: | @RebeccAgent And yet students have to read so much poetry in school. You’d think teachers would want these novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | kellybarnhill: | YES THEY ARE! RT @bonnieadamson: @EgmontUSA Too much deconstruction? Sad, because kids are natural poets. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | emilytastic: | @kellybarnhill @CarolTanzman I would argue that most readers don’t READ enough adult poetry. Most contemp. poets are in mags. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | savannahjfoley: | The problem with poetry is this life/strife/knife business #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | CarolTanzman: | @kellybarnhill I should have clarified. some poetry–the kind that gets taught in college classes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | shikokusue: | @RebeccAgent Interesting because don’t all teen-aged girls go through poetry-writing phase?! #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | sharifwrites: | @dlschubert I’d like to incorporate it some day. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | KrisYankee: | many authors know the story too well, so they don’t see when the cadence (meter) is off. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | KindrilyKaren: | I read a recent YA book with poetry/lyrics thrown in that irked me. It has to be done really well not to pull me out of story.#kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | adamselzer: | “Assigning free verse to intro students is like giving a 16 year old keys to your porsche” – my brother’s prof. Makes sense. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | savannahjfoley: | If we taught kids about fun symbols and blowing your mind they might enjoy it more #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | EgmontGal: | @shikokusue @EllenHopkins has freed us from sales’ depts push back at novels in verse, thank God. But we don’t put it on jackets #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @kellybarnhill I don’t see Billy Collins as elitist, either. He’s very accessible. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | RebeccAgent: | I love Sonya Sones and Your Own, Sylvia by Stephanie Hemphill. Brilliant to write novel in verse about Sylvia Plath #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | KatApel: | @emilytastic I love writing poetry with classes. Most fun when done as a group. Forget bounce – ideas ricochet around room! #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | DrlemonWCGGG: | I have absolutely nothing to say here. I will, However, be lurking in the API, waiting to strike if a chance comes… #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | dawnmetcalf: | But I’ll confess that I haven’t bought a book of poetry since college. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | bonnieadamson: | @shikokusue lol–while taking long walks in the rain. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | RebeccAgent: | I went through an extended bad poetry writing phase, personally. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | jafhedlund: | Interesting RT @martinejoelle: reading/writing poetry helps me reach emotional energy arcs in my fiction writing… #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | michellewitte: | I won’t be at #kidlitchat tonight, but if you’re discussing poetry for kids, talk to @draccah. Sourcebooks is making poetry cool again. |
| 1:12 am | kellybarnhill: | @CarolTanzman Poetry professors, perhaps? #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | deegarretson: | @KrisYankee so true, that’s why it’s great to read your work aloud while revising #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | literaticat: | Oh dear, we’re talking about poetry, eh? *clams up* #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | RaineAugust: | RT @savannahjfoley: If we taught kids about fun symbols and blowing your mind they might enjoy it more #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | lisabrowndraws: | AND as read-aloud, rhyming poetry can get tedious. Poetry doesn’t hafta rhyme. RT @adelegriffin: #kidlitchat as read-aloud parent |
| 1:12 am | KatApel: | @KrisYankee It’s that thing about reading aloud, isn’t it. The cadence of a story. The rhythm of the words. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | leewind: | Kids can be turned off by poetry that’s too internal & static – poems, like good stories, need to MOVE #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | Gwenda: | Did everyone write poetry in h.s.? I wrote lots–mostly political, about the first Bush. (Bush sestina!) #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @EgmontGal Happy to have been good at something! #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | KrisYankee: | @deegarretson Completely agree! Reading aloud shows where the stumbles occur (if any) #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | savannahjfoley: | All I want poetry to do is show me a concise and different way to think about things #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | RebeccAgent: | @ellenhopkins absolutely. same reason graphic novels can be a hard sell #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | chasingray: | Lisa Ann Sandell does some great novel writing in verse. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | gstickle: | RT @chasingray: Lisa Ann Sandell does some great novel writing in verse. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | emilytastic: | @CarolTanzman That doesn’t really make sense either, tho. College classes teach all kinds of poetry. @kellybarnhill #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | But can I just say that the great verse novels have opened up new avenues in adult publishing as well. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | bonnieadamson: | @thenewcurrency Thanks for the link! #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | KrisYankee: | @KatApel Yes, absolutely. Some authors force the cadence, even when reading it. I have to tap my fingers to make sure its same #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | JessicaLeader: | Kids often admit they *hate* writing rhyming poetry. They know their rhymes often stink and find free versel iberating. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | gregpincus: | @RebeccAgent Do you think it’s a hard sell… or a hard sell when LABELED poetry? #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | jafhedlund: | @Gwenda I did a version of Green Eggs and Ham with Dubya and Jeb as the characters #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | lisabrowndraws: | @KrisYankee Because my pbs never rhyme. But they hafta have good words and rhythm #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @Gwenda I started in my early 20’s. Seems poetry only flows for me when I’m hearbroken. lol! #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | magelly: | #kidlitchat I’m wondering how to turn kids on to poetry today? Maybe through song? Loved the Electric schoolhouse, etc. They Might be Giants |
| 1:13 am | Gwenda: | My favorite poet in kidlit perhaps is the brilliant Julie Larios–great p.b.’s and pointers to poems from her blog. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | RebeccAgent: | @gwenda I totally wrote a sestina in hs but not about George Bush. Don’t remember exactly the content but def. angsty #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | My readership is getting older, and has shared my books with their parents/older relatives, who love the, too. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | gstickle: | RT @chasingray: @RebeccAgent And yet students have to read so much poetry in school. You’d think teachers would want these novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | dlschubert: | Given my musical background, the poetry I like comes from songwriters: Jakob Dylan, Stevie Nicks, & Robert Plant, to name a few. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | sharifwrites: | @Gwenda I did, both in high school and college. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | Gwenda: | @jafhedlund Yay! Kindred spirits. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | dawnmetcalf: | @KrisYankee @deegarretson Yes! Reading aloud is when you can hear the “poetry” of the words as well as what bends the ear. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | RaineAugust: | At the same time, kids these days are more interested in video games than in any form of literature. (Sorry, I lag btw) #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | marypearson: | Poetry = Precise word choice. Best training ground even for prose writers. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | gstickle: | RT @RebeccAgent: but let’s be frank. Poetry for kids, MG, and YA other than novels in verse is VERY hard to sell/breakthrough/find readers #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | KrisYankee: | @lisabrowndraws Rhyme doesn’t have to be there, but yes, cadence/rhythm a must. Tongue gets tied and pace is off it not there #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | And I have recently been invited to write some adult novels in verse. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | lisabrowndraws: | @adamselzer So much of what kids are given in HS, for ex, they are ready for at a reading level but not at an intellectual one. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @EllenHopkinsYA Aaaaannd, you are probably largely responsible for that. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | John_Marlow: | #kidlitchat Much of today’s poetry lacks the structure of older, more familiar works. Some would argue song is today’s popular poetry. |
| 1:15 am | bonnieadamson: | @magelly Oh, YES! AA Milne! And was I just a weird kid, or did children enjoy poetry anthologies once upon a time? #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | MissyNH: | @EllenHopkinsYA Working on Shakespearean sonnets with my 7th graders #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | RebeccAgent: | @gregpincus suppose it depends how you define poetry. When it’s not one connective thread (novel in verse or one text for pb).. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I hope you do write verse novels for grown-ups! That would be fab! #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | savannahjfoley: | @RaineAugust Video games show them a picture, while books ask them to paint. Watching is easier than creating. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | Gwenda: | Now I read poetry when I’m burned out and/or can’t find the right novel. A palate cleanser, but more, of course. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | RebeccAgent: | a collection of poems is definitely a hard sell #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | karianneholt: | Speak to them in their language, just like with other kidlit. RT @magelly: Im wondering how to turn kids on to poetry today? #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @marypearson Your books are very poetic, Mary. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | adamselzer: | “no one buys poetry books. they just give awards for them.” (or something like that) – anastasia krupnik’s dad #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | lisabrowndraws: | Poetry easier in small doses. My husband is a great poetry reader, hangs favs on the fridge. Helps me read poetry more. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | shikokusue: | @EllenHopkinsYA And? Will you?? I’m in my 40s, but I love your y/a novels #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | bonnieadamson: | Interesting. RT @John_Marlow: Some would argue song is todays popular poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | KatApel: | @lisabrowndraws That’s so true. And throwing it at them – leaving them floundering – is so wrong. Can swim with you though. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | KrisYankee: | I edited an adult gift book all in verse. It was interesting & not what I expected. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | Sparrowbug: | RT @chasingray: @RebeccAgent And yet students have to read so much poetry in school. You’d think teachers would want these novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | dawnmetcalf: | @dlschubert Y’know, I never thought of it that way, more “lyrical” songwriters. Elton John, Ani DiFranco, Stevie Nicks, Sting #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | MissyNH: | @EllenHopkinsYA I love your books, and thank my students for getting me hooked! Would LOVE adult ones as well #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | Gwenda: | @RebeccAgent I love angsty teen poetry! A necessity to growing up. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | chasingray: | I’d love to see war poetry for teens – I think there would be decent interest in that. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | gregpincus: | @michellewitte with great love and respect for @draccah and the Sourcebooks team, poetry was always cool #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | lisabrowndraws: | @KrisYankee Perfectly said. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | savannahjfoley: | RT @Gwenda: Now I read poetry when I’m burned out and/or can’t find the right novel. A palate cleanser, but more, of course. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | RaineAugust: | @dischubert and isn’t music just another form of poetry (with lyrics, I mean) #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @MissyNH Yikes! Major challenge. I’m glad you’re up to it. Many teachers don’t even want to consider poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | RebeccAgent: | @chasingray I think my poetry moment was more like 12-20 #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | chasingray: | @Gwenda Did I ever some series stuff in that vein starting age 13! #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | dawnmetcalf: | @bonnieadamson @magelly Just introduced my 6 year old to A.A. Milne! #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | KatApel: | My poetry benefitted from the structure of Bush Poetry. In competitions, they count every syllable. And metre. Phew! But>>> #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | ShellieBr: | I even make the kids read their essays for school out loud so that they can hear the rhythm of their own words. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | magelly: | @bonnieadamson Yep. The sparse text with illustrations also helped. Also rhymes (Lewis Carroll) #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | shikokusue: | @karianneholt Poetry slams in class? Wouldn’t that be fun? #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | chasingray: | Bruce Springsteen was my poet of choice for a long time. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | gregpincus: | @RebeccAgent Fair enough. It’s not like I’m gonna tell ya the 10 standalone collections from last year that prove ya wrong! #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | kellybarnhill: | @savannahjfoley I do the same thing! #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | dlschubert: | @dawnmetcalf Yup, exactly! For me, they are the true poets. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @shikokusue Oh, yes. I have a contract for three more YA, but plan to find time to write a couple of adult novels in verse, too #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | bonnieadamson: | @dawnmetcalf Don’t you love reading him aloud? #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | marypearson: | @Gwenda Constantly. But my poetry was more about faith, love, and war. Sign of the times. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | emilytastic: | I’m frustrated hearing an echo that contemporary adult poetry is elitist or inaccessible. What poems have you guys READ lately? #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | karianneholt: | @shikokusue Poetry slams in class would be AWESOME. Spontaneous haiku-offs. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | dawnmetcalf: | @lisabrowndraws Not to be confused with the ever-popular “refrigerator poetry” #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | lisabrowndraws: | Excellent but scary! RT @ShellieBr: I make kids read essays for school out loud they can hear the rhythm of their own words. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | kellybarnhill: | @Gwenda Ha! I had more angsty teen poetry in my math notebook than I did math problems. Or notes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | leewind: | @dlschubert @magelly Yeah, I think kids need to be reminded that every SONG is a poem – takes the distance away from it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | I do teach poetry classes, and love finding those kids who are natural “rap” poets. Amazing talents. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | RebeccAgent: | I’m not saying that collections never sell. I am say they are definitely hard to sell. Agents? Editors? back me up #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | literaticat: | @adamselzer You’re the only person I know besides me who drops Krupnik references into regular conversation. #oneballreilly #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | KatApel: | >> Having learnt to follow the rules, it’s then a lot of fun to break them – make poems live and breathe. Lively & unexpected. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | chasingray: | RT @shikokusue: @karianneholt Poetry slams in class? Wouldn’t that be fun? #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | lisabrowndraws: | Ah HA! RT @dawnmetcalf: @lisabrowndraws Not to be confused with the ever-popular “refrigerator poetry” #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | emilytastic: | @karianneholt I wish my school had done something like that! #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | lioncaller: | Oh, so if you’re educated, you’re elitist? RT @CarolTanzman some poetry–the kind that gets taught in college classes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | ShellieBr: | @RaineAugust I have always been irritated with lyrics that don’t tell a story or evoke a reality #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | magelly: | I also devoured spoken word records and “dramatisations” as a kid. I don’t think they’re too choosy yet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | leewind: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: And I have recently been invited to write some adult novels in verse. #kidlitchat I’ll be 1st in Line to Read Them! |
| 1:18 am | bonnieadamson: | @magelly had a wonderful collection edited by Louis Untermeyer: Golden Treasury? Think it’s still in print. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | elanaroth: | Let me guess. We’re talking about books in verse, and poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | fullofstars: | My 4th grade teacher had weekly poetry writing contests. We were all out for blood to get the hallowed hallway post. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | gregpincus: | In terms of songs/music – Sourcebooks released HipHop Speaks to Children (put together by Nikki Giovanni) #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | MissyNH: | @EllenHopkinsYA later in the year we will do poetry anthologies relating to the book they are reading…AWESOME project #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | RebeccAgent: | this is why I didn’t want to say anything. Knew I would get in trouble #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | EgmontUSA: | @RebeccAgent I will back you up. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | dlschubert: | @leewind Yes! You have to make poetry “cool” for kids – what better way than with the music they relate to? #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | chasingray: | Oh dear god…let’s not get into educated = elitist. Wasn’t there just an election about that? #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth Why, yes we are–also, how does reading/writing poetry help you as a writer. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | kellybarnhill: | @RebeccAgent Totally true. Most poets I know make little to nothing on their collections. They teach to fund their art. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | ShellieBr: | @dawnmetcalf Aww that’s my favorite!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @lioncaller I’m coming down the other way. SOME academic poetry is dry as cardboard because they rely more on rules than emotion #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | dawnmetcalf: | @elanaroth Ding ding ding ding! #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | chantalkirkland: | @elanaroth Poetry. Verse. Yeah. I’m kinda out of my league. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | RebeccAgent: | let me say, I LOVED writing poetry in teen yrs (even though I cringe at it now) and reading and analyzing in class #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | lisabrowndraws: | Favorite poetry book as children was called Beastly Boys and Ghastly Girls. All verse. For the little ones. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | elanaroth: | @RebeccAgent I run away screaming from poetry collections. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | magelly: | Anyone remember Stanley Holloway recordings? #kidlitchat Also Shel Silverstein |
| 1:20 am | kellybarnhill: | @RebeccAgent Pshaw! Somebody has to be the market realist! #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | RebeccAgent: | thank you for backing me up @egmontusa #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | JessicaLeader: | @adamselzer Krupniks–yeah! “Awed, unique and proud” are still some of greatest words ever. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @MissyNH You are one rocking teacher! #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | KrisYankee: | @magelly Loved Shel Silverstein!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | elanaroth: | I have few opinions on this subject other than: I love Shel Silverstein and don’t get much of anything else. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | chasingray: | In every single yr of school we did poetry – but the poets were all dead. How do you persuade teachers to consider living poets? #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | RaineAugust: | @ShellieBr which is totally understandable! Atually, I like writing stories in my music and most of it’s from experience. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | SheviStories: | Sorry I’m late. What’s tonight’s topic? #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | shikokusue: | In Japan, there’s a card game where you read the first line of a poem and have to find the rest (like Snap). It’d be fun in U.S. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | kellybarnhill: | @magelly My kids can’t get enough of Shel Silverstein’s recordings. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | lisa_schroeder: | Yay, discussing poetry! #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | adamselzer: | I think people get turned off from poetry by hearing very bad poets and mistaking them for good ones. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | KatApel: | @RebeccAgent I know you’re right in what you say – hard to sell… Really find it hard to get my head around though. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | Gwenda: | @marypearson Yes! I think all I wrote about was politics, and the occasional yearning angsty bout. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | Sparrowbug: | I love the older (1400-1950s) poetry, but I connect to the song lyrics of today read as poems rather than most current poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I agree that there is plenty of dry, “this is what I was taught” poetry. But there is so much more, yes? #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | magelly: | @BonnieAdamson Yep. I had the same #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | KrisYankee: | RT @adamselzer: I think people get turned off from poetry by hearing very bad poets and mistaking them for good ones. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | lisabrowndraws: | Totally Agree. RT @adamselzer: people get turned off from poetry by hearing very bad poets and mistaking them for good ones. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | lauramanivong: | Sure poetry is a hard sell, but where would we prose writers be without that sense of rhythm? #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | dawnmetcalf: | @magelly Shel Silverstein? Dr. Seuss? How to make word play accessible! and FUN! (Timeless classics.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth Noted. But isn’t it a self-fulfilling prophecy if no one will even ATTEMPT to sell poetry? #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | cherylherbsman: | RT @EllenHopkinsYA: IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | KatApel: | RT @adamselzer: I think people get turned off from poetry by hearing very bad poets and mistaking them for good ones. [Agree.] #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | Gwenda: | @adamselzer Is there anything worse than readings in “poet voice”? #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | karianneholt: | @jhendersontx When I say use their language I don’t mean dumb things down, I mean expand from just Prufrock (tho P is awesome) #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @chasingray I think that’s hugely important! Contemporary poets are much easier to relate to for many of today’s kids. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | dlschubert: | Most nights when I sign off of Twitter I do it with a lyric/poem. It’s good to keep that muscle flexed. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | gregpincus: | Nah, @RebeccAgent, I think the proof is in the marketplace. They are a hard sell. Doesn’t mean they aren’t worthy or good. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | chasingray: | Owen & Sassoon were standbys in college – war poetry, when done well, is beyond powerful. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | brimeetsbooks: | A friend of mine teaches debate to 3rd-5th and has recently started using poetry to help kids “find their voice” #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | ShellieBr: | @lisabrowndraws @lisabrowndraws I loved Beastly boys!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | pippinmathur: | @elanaroth just bought sidewalk for my daughter. Shel was the king. Funny, dark and awesomely cool. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | lisagailgreen: | Absolutely! Where the Sidewalk Ends is y I started writing poetry as a kidRT @KrisYankee: @magelly Loved Shel Silverstein!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | DrlemonWCGGG: | Lurking… #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | chasingray: | Well hell – vampire books are easy sells. Do we just all throw up our hands and read vamp books then? #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | MissyNH: | @EllenHopkinsYA WOW! That makes my year =) Thanks! Let me reiterate , WOW! #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | emilytastic: | @adamselzer Agreed! Or because all they see is the 1 or 2 poems that shows up in a mag they read, or an example from class. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | KatApel: | @Gwenda Again – the bush poetry thing. Bush poetry is quite big in Australia. Nice following. They PERFORM the poems. Entertain. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | RaineAugust: | @savannahjfoley That’s true, which is probably why I love reading. I love the challenge the story asks of my imagination! #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | RebeccAgent: | I wasn’t saying they aren’t worthy or good to be clear #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | gregpincus: | @elanaroth I love Shel, too, but I’d say that there are others you’d like, as well. But it’s hard to find the “right” ones… #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | savannahjfoley: | Poetry condenses meaning, making you think in connotation. It’s like emotional telepathy #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | EgmontGal: | I think there are a lot of people (like me) who love poetry when they come to it, but never think to choose it. That’s tricky. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | elanaroth: | @bonnieadamson Perhaps. But to me the bar was set, and I don’t know how to exceed it. No gut instinct for it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @gregpincus But there are publishers who will publish poetry… just not the “big” publishers. Poetry usually isn’t about $$$ #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | quirkywriter: | I’m sneaking a peek at #kidlitchat. |
| 1:23 am | elanaroth: | I love Shel Silverstein so much, I just got a Shel Silverstein tattoo. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | KrisYankee: | @chasingray There has to be variety, including vamps, wolves, and poetry. We live with poetry every day –music! #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | RaineAugust: | @quirkywriter PEEPING TOM!!!! Haha #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | lioncaller: | @ellenhopkinsYA it’s hard to see what the rules are in “academic poetry”…there are no particular schools, for instance #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | KrisYankee: | @elanaroth Seriously? You need to post a pic of that!  #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @EgmontGal and sometimes you have to go around the roadblocks, like Lee Bennett Hopkins has…. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | elanaroth: | @pippinmathur Those books are something special that I share with my dad. We read them together. Major points. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | geekwriter1: | RT @literaticat Oh dear, we’re talking about poetry, eh? *clams up* #kidlitchat – ***poetry not my thing… uncultured me. |
| 1:24 am | bonnieadamson: | @EllenHopkinsYA Or maybe only the really big publishers can afford to publish it–or should, anyway. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | DarthFormal: | time to be swept away by #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | dawnmetcalf: | RT @EgmontGal: I think there are a lot of people (like me) who love poetry when they come to it, but never think to choose it. That’s tricky. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | KindrilyKaren: | And not kissing up to @lisa_schroeder or anything, but I HEART YOU, YOU HAUNT ME. Beautiful. And hit SO close to my heart. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | gregpincus: | @EllenHopkinsYA Absolutely! I’ve been on the Cybils committee and see the books yearly. There are many. Always will be, I hope #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | dlschubert: | I’ve written hundreds of sets of lyrics but have never gotten “traditional” poetry. Just never been my thing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | SheviStories: | In high school, our English Lit book included “Sound of Silence” by Simon & Garfunkel & a John Lennon song. It helped. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | chasingray: | @KrisYankee Vampire Poetry is the way to go!! It will change the literary world to read Edward’s inner thoughts!!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @EgmontGal And I could probably sell a collection. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | Gwenda: | High school flashback: Becoming slightly obsessed with Plath’s “Daddy.” #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA @gregpincus YES! All my friends with collections, several award-winning, are with itty bitty presses. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | JEMACLEOD: | Popping in to #kidlitchat late #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | lisagailgreen: | RT @KrisYankee: @chasingray There has to be variety, including vamps, wolves, and poetry. We live with poetry every day –music! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | TracyClark_TLC: | Said very poetically.RT @savannahjfoley: Poetry condenses meaning, making you think in connotation. Its like emotional telepathy #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | dawnmetcalf: | @elanaroth You got a Shel Silverstein tattoo?! *coolness points* #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | Gwenda: | @chasingray @KrisYankee Glittering, I want to eat, my love… #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | KrisYankee: | @chasingray ***turns off kidlitchat to start writing vamp poetry**** #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | KatApel: | Recently read ‘Sixth Grade Style Queen NOT’ to Yr 6/7 class. Thought boys would switch off – they interacted the most. Got it! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | lioncaller: | It bothers me that it’s okay to have refined tastes in wine or furniture, but in literature it’s “elitist.” #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @lioncaller I’m talking about poetry written by PhD poets, who often know all the rules, but forget about the heart. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | chasingray: | Interesting that little kids love poetry so much & yet apparently MG & YA do not. Why does the love end? #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | ShellieBr: | @quirkywriter well, enjoy! I just downloaded the new tweetdeck so I’m lagging a minute or so behind! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | RebeccAgent: | still love Elizabeth Bishop The Art of Losing (that’s the title, right?) #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | savannahjfoley: | My agent told me she wouldn’t touch poetry. Made me sad, but I understand. Have to enter contests on my own #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | jennymckmoss: | Good evening! I’ve been missing chat lately. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | KrisYankee: | @lioncaller That’s good! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | Sagecollins: | I am personally way impressed by anyone who can do poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | emilytastic: | @EgmontGal I would be happy to recommend some fun poetry mags if you’re ever in the mood! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | dawnmetcalf: | @savannahjfoley “emotional telepathy” — G-d, that’s good! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | elanaroth: | @dawnmetcalf Yeah, I got the Missing Piece on my wrist. At the end. When the butterfly lands on it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | dosankodebbie: | RT @EgmontGal: I think there are a lot of people (like me) who love poetry when they come to it, but never think to choose it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | adamselzer: | Edward’s inner thoughts as poems? “I think, as I leave like a bat / ‘i can’t believe she fell for that’” #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | leewind: | #kidlitchat sometimes poems as a writing warmup can work exactly b/c of structure – so prose isn’t so flabby… |
| 1:26 am | KatApel: | Think the sparse language of the verse novel appealed to them. No hidden tricks. The bones were laid bare on the page. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | chasingray: | @Gwenda There it is – the multi million dollar advance you’ve been waiting for! #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @lioncaller I have friends who are PhD poets and teach university level, but their own poetry is so elevated no one cares #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | dawnmetcalf: | @elanaroth *sobs at the pretty* #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | KrisYankee: | @Sagecollins My brain doesn’t write that way (poetry), so when I edit it, it’s a challenge. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | lisabrowndraws: | @emilytastic Poetry magazine is wonderful. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | lioncaller: | @EllenHopkinsYA Most creative writing profs don’t actually have PhDs… they have MFAs maybe, but often just publishing creds #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | chasingray: | Edward vs Jacob poetry slam with Bella’s reactions in verse. It would sell, I guarantee it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | Gwenda: | But also becoming obsessed with Dorothy Parker’s poetry. Yay, h.s. poetry loving. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @adamselzer Pulease don’t use the “E” word in the same sentence with “poetry.” #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | bonnieadamson: | @EllenHopkinsYA All disciplines have to gaurd against the overly refined. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | kellybarnhill: | @chasingray I’ll tell you exactly where the love ends – the fifty minute class time. Poetry gets shafted once they hit 6th grade #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | dawnmetcalf: | @adamselzer ow ow ow ow ow… #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | Sparrowbug: | RT @adamselzer: Edward’s inner thoughts as poems? “I think, as I leave like a bat / ‘i can’t believe she fell for that’” #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | CarolTanzman: | Hah RT @adamselzer: Edwards inner thoughts as poems? “I think, as I leave like a bat / i cant believe she fell for that” #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | gregpincus: | I get around 100K google search hits for poems/poetry each year at my blog. The web is GREAT for poetry’s future #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | quirkywriter: | @RaineAugust : ) #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA @lioncaller I had a poetry professor in college who was great. His own poetry was SO different from his lessons. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | SheviStories: | I don’t think bad poetry turns people off; “great” but inaccessible (difficult to understand) poetry does that. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | lisabrowndraws: | @chasingray Love ends when it starts to get assigned the hell out of. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | KatApel: | My eldest though, who devours books, doesn’t like verse novels. Finds them confusing. Can’t join the dots I guess. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | JessicaLeader: | @RebeccAgent Eliz Bishop’s One Art–yes! Whole AP lit class swooned over that one. I still do, sometimes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | John_Marlow: | #kidlitchat I find writing short forms–poetry, lyrics, screenplays–helps make novels tighter and more focused. |
| 1:28 am | elanaroth: | @dawnmetcalf It was my birthday present to myself. Reminds me to be happy. And you know…the whole kidlit thing was a bonus. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | dlschubert: | @chasingray Because it’s not “cool.” #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @lioncaller I’m just talking about three particular people I know. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | lisa_schroeder: | @KindrilyKaren Thank you! I read it now and think I could have done better w/ the poetry, but with each book, I’m improving. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | cherylherbsman: | RT @KatApel: Think sparse language of the verse novel appealed to them. No hidden tricks. The bones were laid bare on the page. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | karianneholt: | @jhendersontx For real. Poe, William Carlos Williams, Chaucer – it’s so easy to make those fun for kids. Also easy to RUIN them. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | emilytastic: | @lisabrowndraws I like Poetry magazine okay. My favorites are Fuselit, Willow Springs, iota, Beloit Poetry Journal, Mimesis… #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @SheviStories Both kinds turn me off. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | savannahjfoley: | Anyone read You Remind Me Of You? Excellent example of verse novel #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | JessicaLeader: | [anyone else's "refresh" button being totally wonky?] #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | gregpincus: | @elanaroth that’s so cool. You’re my hero (and a better choice than just the Big O, which would be… uh…O-ish) #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | lisabrowndraws: | Do you guys know the 6 word memoir stuff? Like tiny little poems, and so fun to read and compose, for kids and adults #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | TracyClark_TLC: | I think teens gravitate to poetry because it seems to express their angsty teen-ness in a way that regular prose cannot. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | Gwenda: | Maybe kids would keep liking poetry if curriculum focused more on how ODD and interesting many of them are–likewise w/ science. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | lioncaller: | @EllenHopkinsYA But some of it’s stuffy. I just wonder how anyone would define rules in contemp poetry, PhD or no! #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | marypearson: | Another high school flasback: Adored e e cummings (still do) and wrote everything in lower case. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | literaticat: | Off-topic, but… Announcing the next Not Your Mother’s Book Club event! http://community.livejournal.com/notyourmothers/ #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | chasingray: | @dlschubert The accursed cool factor – which changes with the light of day. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | emilytastic: | @karianneholt Dude. I wish I’d known about Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats sometime before the age of 22. #educationfail #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | beatricejclark: | #kidlitchat Words paint the picture. A poem takes my breath away. The flow in “The little house” by Virginia Lee Burton. Visually? |
| 1:29 am | quirkywriter: | @ShellieBr Have to bathe a little one, so I’ll be in and out. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | elanaroth: | @gregpincus Yeah. Truth is, I like the message of the Big O book better…but this was a better permanent fixture on my arm… #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @marypearson Dare you to write a novel all in lower case. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | Sparrowbug: | @elanaroth Silverstein managed the perfect mix of edgy and wonder and laughter… #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | RaineAugust: | @savannahjfoley Just the title is making me curious… #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | RebeccAgent: | @lisabrowndraws Still haven’t figured out what my six word memoir would be. It’s really tough to do #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | chasingray: | For what it’s worth – the kids at Alchesay High pointedly asked for poetry for their wish list. Esp Sherman Alexie’s. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | savannahjfoley: | e.e. cummings understood emotional telepathy. Calling spring ‘mud luscious’ is absolute brilliance #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | John_Marlow: | #kidlitchat On the editing front, I see a good deal of YA, but seldom see verse unless it’s quoted. |
| 1:30 am | CarolTanzman: | Yes! I love that book. whole lives in 6 words. RT @lisabrowndraws: Do you guys know the 6 word memoir stuff? #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | lioncaller: | @PoetryFound if you’re online would be interesting to get your perspective on this discussion going on in #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | dawnmetcalf: | @elanaroth Perfect. Really. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | lisabrowndraws: | That sounds dirty RT @elanaroth: @gregpincus I like the message of the Big O … #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | deegarretson: | @marypearson me too! minor act of nerd rebellion to write entirely in lower case #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | KindrilyKaren: | @lisa_schroeder Well I loved it. And cried. I’m sure many authors looks back & think they could hav done better. Part of growth. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | justkeepreading: | #kidlitchat As a teacher I try really hard to help my students see poetry is playing with the language-ignoring the usual rules- fun. |
| 1:30 am | elanaroth: | @Sparrowbug He’s the best. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @literaticat Which reminds me… we were discussing a launch …. ??? #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | gregpincus: | @elanaroth agreed on both counts. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | SheviStories: | I think you can teach poetry by first focusing on songs kids like. Coldplay, for example, has great lyrics. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | dlschubert: | Agree! RT @John_Marlow I find writing short forms–poetry, lyrics, screenplays–helps make novels tighter and more focused. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | nkrell: | My daughter is now memorizing Silverstein. She loves it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | savannahjfoley: | @TracyClark_TLC That’s because poetry is so emotionally condensed #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | cherylherbsman: | @TracyClark_TLC I agree. Poetry hits at the heart of teen angst. It’s more raw than prose #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | chasingray: | Maybe poetry sells best to MG & YA when directed at specific populations – like Alexie & Native American. Regional? Ethnic? #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | karianneholt: | Don’t forget Ogden Nash. I absolutely ate up Nash when I was in middle school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | emilytastic: | @lioncaller How do you define the rules of painting? Or photography? Sure, some art is stuffy, but you don’t write it off. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | Mdesmondobrien: | Sorry I’m late, everybody. What’s the topic? =) #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | elanaroth: | @lisabrowndraws On the surface But it’s about learning to roll on your own without help… #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | ShellieBr: | @quirkywriter I know that life, I’m a nanny for four! I still can’t ;eave the five year old to bathe on her own yet! #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | lisabrowndraws: | I still have parts memorized from my own childhood! RT @nkrell: My daughter is now memorizing Silverstein. She loves it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | JessicaLeader: | @TracyClark_TLC So trye about poetry’s potential to express teen angst. B/c phrases are closer to their hearts than stories? #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | EgmontGal: | Breaking news from American Idol: Simon just called Casey “Goldilocks” and used the word “ginormous” #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | SheviStories: | @karianneholt I loved Ogden Nash too. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | JessicaLeader: | ..Also b/c poetry seems to break rules and mess around and that’s what teens like to do? Yes, seems like form natural for teens! #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | Sparrowbug: | You know, my kids like meter and rhyme, but I don’t think the topics of what they want to read are often the subject of poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | bonnieadamson: | @Mdesmondobrien Topic: Poetry: writing it, reading it; its place in the market #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | Gwenda: | And last nostalgic h.s. thing, this is still my favorite poem, I think: http://tinyurl.com/yes644u #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | SheviStories: | @Mdesmondobrien Poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | nkrell: | @lisabrowndraws Now I know about all of the ailments of…oh, I can’t think of the girl’s name. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @emilytastic We’re not talking about writing off stuffy poetry… but on a commercial, level, well . . . #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | dawnmetcalf: | RT @emilytastic How do you define the rules of painting? Or photography? Sure, some art is stuffy, but you don’t write it off. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | marypearson: | @EllenHopkinsYA Oh, I can’t resist a dare, Ellen. Drat! #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | quirkywriter: | @lisabrowndraws That book takes on different meanings the older you get. ; ) #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | RebeccAgent: | we had Where the Sidewalk & Light in Attic cassettes we listened to in the car. I definitely have much of them memorized #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | Mdesmondobrien: | @bonnieadamson @SheviStories Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | lisabrowndraws: | I mean, #kidlitchat RT @lisabrowndraws: Tweets are flying, and it’s prob been said but teen angst = Sylvia Plath, in a big way! |
| 1:32 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @emilytastic Study the stuffy if you must, but write from the heart. And make it easy to understand… something to inhale. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | dlschubert: | @chasingray True, but omnipotent to teens. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | dawnmetcalf: | @SheviStories @karianneholt Ogden Nash & Tom Lehrer R.U.L.E. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | Mdesmondobrien: | @lisabrowndraws I LOVE Sylvia Plath. Her poems got to the heart of angst, in my opinion! #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @marypearson hahahah… knew it! #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | lisabrowndraws: | @nkrell Little Peggy Ann McKay! #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @JessicaLeader No. Story does that, too. Poetry, esp free verse can be a ‘wilder’ form of it. It was for me at that age. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | Sparrowbug: | I know most of the educational tv stuff they love… uses a lot of slam poetry type of dialogue and that’s why they like it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | justkeepreading: | #kidlitchat I find its the really classical poetry they hate. So I try to make it fun and show them how the poet is playing with language. |
| 1:33 am | savannahjfoley: | Off to work on scifi novel now Have fun you guys! #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | ShellieBr: | @cherylherbsman maybe that is the point! Perhaps poetry so hits the teen’s soul that reading it in public would be too intimate #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | KrisYankee: | @EgmontGal Oh man! Good thing I’ve tivoing (not a word, I know), American Idol! #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I guess I’m confused. I don’t like “stuffy” poetry either. But it’s such a diverse field, & very uncommercial. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | nkrell: | I cannot go to school today, said little Peggy Ann McKay…(I have my daughter reciting it for me now.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | elanaroth: | I can still recite most of “Sarah Cynthia Silvia Stout Would Not Take the Garbage Out” and “I Will Not Go To School Today…” #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | RaineAugust: | @RebeccAgent Awww, I remember reading those when I was younger! Oh, the nostalgia! #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | gregpincus: | I’m a big fan of Douglas Florian’s take on the Rules of Poetry – http://bit.ly/caj8Mj #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | KatApel: | Talking poetry and kids… The Spiney poem (@100scopenotes) using spines of books is crazy good fun. Not so intimidating. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | SheviStories: | @dawnmetcalf Yes, loved Tom Lehrer too. And Alan Sherman. Aw, heck, I just love funny songs/poetry in general. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | magelly: | @lisabrowndraws Angst is also the Romantics like Coleridge & Keats, if you introduce them in the right (gothic) way. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | KrisYankee: | I’m going to have to dig out my Where the Sidewalk Ends now! #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | EgmontUSA: | @elanaroth I regularly recite I Will Not Go To School Today. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I think it’s easy for a lot of people to write off contemporary poetry because the market is relatively hidden. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @elanaroth All poetry has value. But for young readers, some of it will turn them off. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | andybrokaw: | I think the reason I love lyrics but don’t read short poems is that I saw too many obtuse literary poems in school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | temoca: | I think part of the love w/poetry ends for MG & YA because teachers are afraid to teach poetry. Kids are not exposed w/passion. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | ShellieBr: | @savannahjfoley but willyou wriote it mpore poetically now? #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | TracyClark_TLC: | What do you guys think of the trend of including snippets of classic poetry into YA novels? I’ve seen that a bit lately… #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | gracefuldoe: | As a teacher I teach poetry as a way of showing students another way in which language can be used. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | Gwenda: | @chasingray I love Sherman Alexie’s totem poems–C and I did versions of them as an exercise once. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | EgmontUSA: | I can still recite my favorite childhood poem word for word. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | elanaroth: | @EgmontUSA The message never dies #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | taffylovell: | @nkrell Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout would not take the garbage out…#kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | kellybarnhill: | I love that I’m seeing more teen novels that incorporate poetry as a plot device. Paper Towns by John Green comes to mind. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | dlschubert: | IMHO Dr. Seuss was the king of poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | RebeccAgent: | How about Hug of War?! #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | adelegriffin: | @elanaroth ha and that double-spread of the girl who at the whale #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | cherylherbsman: | Shel Silverstein poems instead of stories made a great bedtime ritual for my kids when they were little #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | leewind: | RT @gregpincus: I’m a big fan of Douglas Florian’s take on the Rules of Poetry – http://bit.ly/caj8Mj #kidlitchat YES! This is great! |
| 1:35 am | Mdesmondobrien: | @TracyClark_TLC Ooh, something I’ve noticed as well! Is it because many pop. YA novels have been written by English majors? #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @temoca I agree. When I taught as an artist in residence, many teachers brought me in so they wouldn’t have to teach poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | MichelleHodkin: | @elanaroth Ditto re: I Will Not Go To School Today. But Peanut Butter Sandwich was my *favorite* #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | bonnieadamson: | @TracyClark_TLC If it’s not done JUST to add a veneer of “literary”–if it really means something #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | SheviStories: | Another one I forget from when I was little: A.A. Milne. I’d memorize his poems. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | kellybarnhill: | @TracyClark_TLC HA! we’re on the same wavelength! Your tweet appeared right after I updated #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | JessicaLeader: | @TracyClark_TLC Tho I do think teens can be averse to nailing down what’s going on w/them, and poetry allows them to be vague #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | lisagailgreen: | even now I smile when I hear the opening lines to some of those poems #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | John_Marlow: | @TracyClark_TLC Can’t help but build an audience for the classics. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @temoca That’s so true! I don’t remember being exposed to poetry in a passionate way in school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | emilytastic: | @EllenHopkinsYA I agree, all writing should come from the heart first and foremost. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | Mdesmondobrien: | My opinion too! RT @dlschubert: IMHO Dr. Seuss was the king of poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | literaticat: | I actually love poetry, and I represent poetry, and I buy and sell poetry. But the trick is… I’d never CALL it poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | RebeccAgent: | @kellybarnhill also THE SKY IS EVERYWHERE by Jandy Nelson #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | shikokusue: | @TracyClark_TLC Good way to introduce poets/poetry, I think. Kids might look it up later. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | Mdesmondobrien: | When you were teens, if you read poetry, did you read it more for the language or for the story? #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | elizabethesther: | RT @lioncaller: It bothers me that it’s okay to have refined tastes in wine or furniture, but in literature it’s “elitist.” #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | quirkywriter: | Any other Jack Prelutsky fans out there? I love him too. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | lioncaller: | @emilytastic Agree (I love Beloit Poetry Journal too, proud to have a kabillion rejections from them) #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | kellybarnhill: | @EllenHopkinsYA Which is annoying because learning how to *write* poetry is very different than learning to *read* it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | andybrokaw: | I love books-in-verse though. Just not into poetry collections. Course, I don’t enjoy short story collections often either… #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | lisabrowndraws: | @magelly and Byron! And Rimbaud! And don’t forget Baudelaire, a goth’s dreamboat! #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | lisa_schroeder: | Yes! RT @gracefuldoe As a teacher I teach poetry as a way of showing students another way in which language can be used. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | emilytastic: | @literaticat What do you call it instead? #curious #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | justkeepreading: | #kidlitchat I read it realy dramatic,talk them thro it. Once they understand it-they have fun. then I point out they r having fun w/ poetry! |
| 1:36 am | Salys: | I vote Yes! RT: @RebeccAgent: How about Hug of War?! #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | bonnieadamson: | I feel I have to give Jack Prelutsky a shout-out. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | kellybarnhill: | @RebeccAgent LOVED that book! #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @Mdesmondobrien Only in Whoville. Although I agree that his poetry was deceptively simple… meaning not simple at all. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | Sparrowbug: | @dlschubert Seuss tackled some amazing subjects through parody that I never noticed until I was an adult. Butter Battle Book. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | elanaroth: | @EllenHopkinsYA Definitely. I suffered through Latin lyric poetry…that almost killed it for me. But then I majored in English. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | ShellieBr: | I loved Dr Seuss and all the Little Willie poems when I was young. But I was a rather dark child #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | Gwenda: | @Mdesmondobrien Emotion–even in story poetry, if the words are right, the emotions feel BIG, like teen emotions. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | bonnieadamson: | @literaticat Ah–what do you call it? #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | adelegriffin: | #kidlitchat sharon creech’s Love That Dog was a cool take on how kids need/resist/process poetry |
| 1:37 am | karianneholt: | So I wonder, will teachers teach a verse novel with zombies & chupacabras and a meta plot about writing poetry? #vestedinterest #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | KarlaKT: | .Poetry-the music of language…it’s like trying to teach kids classics and scales when they’d rather play rock and roll #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | KarlaKT: | #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | AlleyofBooks: | Poetry-good way to start imo.Worked for me.Found it easier to write after. Now one of my poems is going to be published. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | shikokusue: | @Mdesmondobrien I think I looked for echoes of my emotions. Poems that resonated with my angst. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | RaineAugust: | Must leave for a bit! I haven’t exercised in days and then will be back for some writing! Thanks for the indirect motivation! #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | John_Marlow: | @Sparrowbug Remember the Star-Bellied Sneeches? #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | emilytastic: | @karianneholt I know some teachers who will pounce on that! #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | elanaroth: | @bonnieadamson Oh homework, oh homework, I hate you, you stink… #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | karianneholt: | What a book. LOVED it. Made my 7yo weep. RT @adelegriffin: Love That Dog was a cool take on how kids need/resist/process poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | EgmontGal: | RT @literaticat: I love poetry, and I represent poetry, and I buy and sell poetry. But the trick is… Id never CALL it poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | kellybarnhill: | @Gwenda I felt that way when I discovered Keats as a teenager. HUGE emotions – even in the early crappy stuff. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | lisabrowndraws: | Here’s a thought — some graphic novels can be poetic in their text sparce-ness #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | jimhill: | Ogden Nash, Shel Silverstein and e.e. cummings are the extent of my poetry love. I’d look at others though. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | Mdesmondobrien: | @EllenHopkins I’d amend that to king of children’s poetry, along with Shel Silverstein. =) #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | bonnieadamson: | @elanaroth I’m partial to the sneepies. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | adelegriffin: | #kidlitchat and then I thought Out of the Dust by Karen Hesse was a slam-dunk in terms of bringing prose poem to middle graders |
| 1:38 am | chasingray: | @Gwenda Seems like poetry is the only thing big enough for those emotions – an obvious teaching tool. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | shikokusue: | @karianneholt Sounds cool to me.:-) #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @karianneholt Only if it’s a well written verse novel with zombies and chupacabras. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | literaticat: | @emilytastic “books”. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | SheviStories: | @quirkywriter Jack Perlutsky’s poems are fun. I prefer Shel Silverstein and Alan Katz, but Perlutsky is still great. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | elanaroth: | I think my picture books are poetry… #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | Mdesmondobrien: | @EllenHopkinsYA I’d amend that to king of children’s poetry, along with Shel Silverstein. =) (Sorry for the wrong @ message) #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | magelly: | @lisabrowndraws The Prisoner of Chillon was big, when I was young. Then I went to Switzerland and saw the castle. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | RebeccAgent: | @adelegriffin I cannot believe I didn’t think of LOVE THAT DOG on my own. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | AlleyofBooks: | RT @literaticat: I actually love poetry, and I represent poetry, and I buy and sell poetry. But the trick is… I’d never CALL it poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | Gwenda: | So, teachers/school types, do teachers bring much contemporary poetry into the classroom or is mainly the classics? #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | KatApel: | @gracefuldoe I teach poetry becaue it encourages kids to play with the words. Really play. Break rules. It’s a creative art. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | Sparrowbug: | Agree RT @andybrokaw I love books-in-verse.Just not into poetry collections. Course I don’t enjoy short story collections often. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | nkrell: | I have to give kudos to the teacher’s at my kids’ school. They’re being exposed to poetry and clasical lit. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @JessicaLeader Good point. I’m someone who naturally expresses myself in prose, I find it harder to nail my feelings w/poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @Mdesmondobrien I don’t actually think he was “king” of poetry or even kids’ poetry, but he did bring many children to poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | chasingray: | Shel Silverstein does not crossover to MG though does he? And he’s not for teens #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | bonnieadamson: | @adelegriffin Karen Hesse–oh, wow, yes. harrowing. Wouldn’t have been nearly as powerful in prose. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | temoca: | I always explain to my kids at the end of the two years together I hope they at least appreciate poetry if not fall in love. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | andybrokaw: | In a lot of ways, I think lyrics are to poetry as genre fiction is to literature… At least my approach to them is. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | adelegriffin: | @karianneholt me 2 still pick up Love That Dog, it captures something #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | gregpincus: | I will say that one thing I love about children’s poetry today is that it is full of tremendous, diverse voices #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | kellybarnhill: | I just remembered that lightbulb turning on when I was about 15 when I realized that nearly every poem was secretly about sex. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | ShellieBr: | @quirkywriter I’m a HIGE Prelusky fan (although after all the Easter Candy, I may just feel huge!) #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | karianneholt: | I read it for the word play. RT @Mdesmondobrien: When you were teens, did you read it more for the language or for the story? #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @Mdesmondobrien Not to mention reading! So poetry CAN TEACH READING #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | dlschubert: | What do u call it? RT @EgmontGal RT @literaticat I love poetry & I represent & buy & sell it. Trick is I’d never CALL it poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | emilytastic: | Sure poetry is abt emotion. But there’s more: Sensory detail, images. Don’t emote in your writing, evoke emotion in your reader. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | lisabrowndraws: | Perfect. RT @literaticat: @emilytastic “books”. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | Sparrowbug: | @John_Marlow Yes, and the Lorax is still a favorite of mine. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | KrisYankee: | Great topic. Gotta get the boys to bed & then crash myself. Night all! #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | elanaroth: | I don’t think I loved poetry until Wordsworth and Yeats… #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | SheviStories: | It’s interesting that the “kings of poetry,” Seuss and Silverstein, both started out as cartoonists. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | emilytastic: | @kellybarnhill Sex or death. What a lightbulb, huh? #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | EgmontUSA: | Love That Dog blows my mind. I think it’s simply brilliant. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | AmethystGreye: | “Invitation”. That’s my favorite Silverstein poem, though “Hug of War” is a good second. The Giving Tree always makes me cry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | KarlaKT: | Novel is full-course meal with many flavors and textures-poem is one tic-tac…a single powerful punch of emotion #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | Gwenda: | @emilytastic Agreed, but think that’s what draws teens to it. Entranced with the emotions evoked/that they are trying to evoke. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | dlschubert: | Ever since I mentioned the poetry of Robert Plant, I’ve had Kashmir in my head! #loveledzeppelin #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | lisabrowndraws: | Recently read Seamus Heaney’s translation of Beowulf. Poetry, with battles! #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | erinbowbooks: | RT @literaticat: I actually love poetry, and I represent poetry, and I buy and sell poetry. But the trick is… I’d never CALL it poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | TracyClark_TLC: | RT @marypearson: I think poetry is part of our culture and should be included as much as pop culture is–if it fits. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | thewritingthing: | By starting with classics first, a lot of kids get turned off because the rhythm of the language does not feel natural to them. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | JessicaLeader: | And Nat’l Writing Proj has done Amazing job of getting Nat’l Poetry Month materials into schools…contemp poets ahoy! #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @karianneholt Well then, it just might get taught in some classrooms. Congrats! #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | RebeccAgent: | for all the NYers. I think the poetry in motion program MTA does is a wonderful way to infuse a little beauty in daily lives #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | sherwordsgirl: | @gracefuldoe As a mom, not just a #writer, I feel that is key. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | temoca: | I’ve used Shel Silverstein with my middle school kids, but I make sure we are exposed to variety, poetry can be for everyone. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | lioncaller: | Someone mentioned slam poetry. Went to an event at CU-Boulder recently. It was PACKED. 600+ enthusiastic students on Fri night. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | nkrell: | @lisabrowndraws Epic! #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | lisagailgreen: | No but its a good starting pnt RT @chasingray: Shel Silverstein does not crossover to MG though does he? And he’s not for teens #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | Gwenda: | @emilytastic Which is probably what makes so much of actual teen poetry feel over the top compared with that of older poets? #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | gracefuldoe: | I think poetry is also a way kids can experience culture and history and even humour. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | Mdesmondobrien: | Jabberwocky and The Raven were my two favorite poems in middle school. Anyone else a fan of the two? #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @jimhill She’s good, but not the best. Sorry! #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | ShellieBr: | @nkrell Brava!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | Gwenda: | @emilytastic They know they aren’t describing the emotions themselves anymore? #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | elanaroth: | @Sparrowbug No…I never liked the sonnets. It was really my English classes in college that did it for me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | lioncaller: | Unfortunately quality of the poetry was kind of low at the slam event. But at least they cared. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | nkrell: | @Mdesmondobrien Love the Jabberwocky! #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | sherwordsgirl: | @John_Marlow I just did a blog about shorties. That was my point. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | andybrokaw: | Oops, I have to go talk to people in real person now. Darnit. Toodles, #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | magelly: | @lisabrowndraws I had kind of dreamt of adding my initials below. But no. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | KindrilyKaren: | Ooh sneaky. RT @literaticat: I love poetry, & I rep poetry, & I buy & sell poetry. But the trick is..I’d never CALL it poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | Sparrowbug: | I’m not wrong in thinking that most picture books are “poetry” of a sort, right? Boynton certainly seems that way. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | adamselzer: | In middle school my friends and I tried to out-do each other writing depressing poems. Got it out of our system early. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | EllenHopkinsYA: | @lioncaller I’ve judge a few Poetry Out Loud competitions, inc. the NV finals. Awesomeoness! #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | Mdesmondobrien: | RT @SheviStories: I think you can teach poetry by first focusing on songs kids like. Coldplay, for example, has great lyrics. #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | jafhedlund: | Awesome is right! RT @TracyClark_TLC: @ShellieBr Ha! Awesome. Check this out! http://bit.ly/c6bPiT #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | PaulWHankins: | Just got back from picking up my two little actors appearing in The King and I this weekend. #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | karianneholt: | @SheviStories Nice. I failed a paper for being “too creative” once. #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | Mdesmondobrien: | RT @SheviStories: The reason I think great but inaccessible poetry is more problematic [than bad poetry] is because you’re “supposed” to love it. #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | nkrell: | @adamselzer I take it you haven’t gone back for a reunion? #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | SheviStories: | @karianneholt That’s great! Soul sisters! #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | emilytastic: | @adamselzer Middle school was okay for me after 6th grade, when I was bullied. High school was like being thrown to the wolves. #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | PaulWHankins: | I see we are talking about jr high and poetry, right? I went back through Tweets. Did anyone mention Sara Holbrook’s work? #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | bonnieadamson: | @KarlaKT YES! At 10, they’re all big grins–at 11, they’re staring at the ground wondering what hit them. I hate it. #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | jafhedlund: | @SheviStories my hated poetry professor told me I was misinterpreting the poems #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | lisagailgreen: | Guess I better go take care of the wee ones. Night all! #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | Sagecollins: | You know what makes middle school and high school worth it? College. #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | dlschubert: | Me, too! RT @adamselzer I remember middle school fondly (by blocking 90% out). #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | nkrell: | @emilytastic I think I made it through high school, because I had a twin sister. We really felt like we didn’t need anyone else. #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | EgmontGal: | @Sagecollins What makes Middle School and High School worth it is milking it all later in your YAs #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | bonnieadamson: | Amen. RT @Sagecollins: You know what makes middle school and high school worth it? College. #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | maxzoid: | Always be a poet, eveb in prose- charles baudelaire RT @EllenHopkinsYA IMHO, every writer should bring poetry to their prose. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | emilytastic: | @nkrell I had one best friend, and her other best friend was more popular than me. I eventually decided to just be myself. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | lisabrowndraws: | ! RT @EgmontGal: @Sagecollins What makes Middle School and High School worth it is milking it all later in your YAs #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | EgmontGal: | @jafhedlund I just remembered! I got a ZERO on my interpretation of Daffodils on a test in high school. Aaargh #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | emilytastic: | @EgmontGal So very! I think that coming to terms with my 15yo self is what drives my writing. I want her to love herself. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | MardouLedger: | You know, I kind of liked high school. I am aware this makes me a freak. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | SheviStories: | @jafhedlund It’s amazing how often “those who cannot do, teach”–and they like to teach the “can do” out of those that can! #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | jamieharrington: | @literaticat um… poetry? I’m screwed. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | nkrell: | @emilytastic Good for you! #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | heatherwpetty: | AHAHA! Yes! RT @EgmontGal: @Sagecollins What makes Middle School and High School worth it is milking it all later in your YAs #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | jamieharrington: | @EgmontGal oh, was Lee good? I TiVo’d so I could go see How to Train Your Dragon with the Daughter. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | Sagecollins: | @EgmontGal That too, lol #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | Mdesmondobrien: | Agreed! Can’t wait for college! RT @Sagecollins: You know what makes middle school and high school worth it? College. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | dlschubert: | @nkrell I’m so jealous! I wanted to have an identical twin growing up-thought of all the stuff we could get away with. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | PaulWHankins: | I am trying to think of the Billy Collins quote (I might paraphrase) : poetry is the butterfly; prose is the potato. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | hannahmosk: | God, then what the hell makes COLLEGE worth it? #ihatecollege #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | emilytastic: | @nkrell It was either that or drown in self-loathing. And I did a lot of self-loathing. But at least I sort of knew who I was. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | dlschubert: | @jamieharrington How was “Dragon?” I’ve heard it rocks. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | EgmontGal: | Also, was tutoring some adults for GREs and took the sample test + got 20% on the lit interpretation. Only 1 answer can b right? #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | 4KidLit: | RT @elanaroth: Please don’t ever send me your verse novels. They make me feel like an idiot for not getting them. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | karianneholt: | 7th grade was exciting chaos. “I’m old now!” Then suddenly, 8th grade hit and it was just plain chaos. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | nkrell: | @dlschubert It was AWESOME. Two against the world! That’s why I don’t remember being very angsty. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | KarlaKT: | Can’t remember who said this…”Junior high is just one big daisy chain of pain.” #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | lisabrowndraws: | Yum, potatoes! RT @PaulWHankins: I am trying to think of the Billy Collins quote : poetry is the butterfly; prose is the potato. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | EgmontGal: | @hannahmosk College is thrilling intellectually and you make friends you’ll have the rest of your life. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | bonnieadamson: | Woo. Gotta go. Thank you all; this was fun. . . poetry is fun. Good night! #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | LaFabuliste: | Is everyone still talking? I’m late, too busy out having the Day of Awesome. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | adamselzer: | @hannahmosk For me, it was the food. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | SheviStories: | Was bullied once in HS by girls I thought were my friends. Next day I realized the only person I needed to like me was me. #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | EgmontGal: | @jamieharrington Please DM me when you’ve seen Lee. I loved it. If only Lee Bennett Hopkins would get out the bagpipes! #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | emilytastic: | @karianneholt I had a panic attack when my parents threw me a surprise birthday party in 7th grade. All downhill from there  #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | MisterMcLaren: | RT @Gwenda: Poetry is like wine–people like what they like (and taste tends to evolve the more they know). #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | PaulWHankins: | @hannahmosk Better tweets. No really, the feeling that you can connect with others beyond a note pass across desks, Hannah. #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | EgmontGal: | @SheviStories Wow, you learned in HIGH SCHOOL that you were the only person who had to like you? Why r u in this field then? #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | gregpincus: | Thanks all. I also have to go, but keep on talking poetry at #kidlitchat Transcript up soooooon. |
| 2:10 am | jafhedlund: | People (including kids) would enjoy poetry a lot more if it wasn’t set up as so intimidating. Bring back the joy, I say! #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | lisabrowndraws: | Poetry chat devolving into nostalgic preteen angst. Time to go! Bye, all. #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | SheviStories: | @EgmontGal College is great because you get to choose your classes. Wish high school was like that. #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | PaulWHankins: | @dlschubert Jumping in on Dragon. Fantastic. Real nice look at atonement to/recognition by the father for Hero’s Journey fans. #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | LaFabuliste: | Have we read Billy Collins’ “Introduction to Poetry?” So very true, re: getting back to the joy in poetry. #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | jafhedlund: | Time to put kiddos to bed. Night! #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | laurielyoung: | Thanks Greg and Bonnie. I gotta run, too. Good night all. #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | SheviStories: | @EgmontGal That’s why I don’t write issue novels. I write humor. Have since I was in middle school. #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | lioncaller: | @jafhedlund Ha! Well then I raise a toast to elitism! #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | hannahmosk: | @PaulWHankins ha, I’m engaged to a boy I went to high school with. I think teens can make very real connections in hs. #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | dlschubert: | @PaulWHankins Thanks! I’ll have to see it. #kidlitchat |
| 2:12 am | Sagecollins: | @hannahmosk No cliques, people got over themselves, you were allowed to be smart, you could control your schedule, less homework #kidlitchat |
| 2:13 am | nkrell: | @dlschubert You will love it! Dragon is so cute! #kidlitchat |
| 2:13 am | PaulWHankins: | @LaFabuliste Spoken Word movement is helping to reintroduce poetry as a genre. May I suggest Rachel McKibbens and Taylor Mali? #kidlitchat |
| 2:13 am | KarlaKT: | Hope is a thing with feathers…I’m off for now….flit, flit, flit #kidlitchat |
| 2:14 am | lioncaller: | Exactly. Education (which does take some work) is key. RT @Gwenda: taste tends to evolve the more people know. #kidlitchat |
| 2:14 am | SheviStories: | @hannahmosk I know two happily married couples who met in high school. It can definitely work with the right people. #kidlitchat |
| 2:15 am | nkrell: | @SheviStories I imported my husband from Germany. There’s no way I could have married anyone from H.S. Does that make me a snob? #kidlitchat |
| 2:16 am | PaulWHankins: | Educators interested in poetry might want to check out Joaquin Zihuatanejo. 2 poems for classrooms: Elephant and This is a Suit. #kidlitchat |
| 2:16 am | dlschubert: | Awesome #kidlitchat as always. Thanks to @gregpincus and @bonnieadamson – you two rock! |
| 2:16 am | jamieharrington: | @EgmontGal k I will I did NOT think I would be a Lee fan, but I so am #kidlitchat |
| 2:17 am | SheviStories: | @nkrell Um, I went to an all-girls school and I’m straight, so I also didn’t meet my (English) spouse until much later. #kidlitchat |
| 2:17 am | nkrell: | @SheviStories go figure. #kidlitchat |
| 2:17 am | dlschubert: | @hannahmosk Mazel tov! Seriously, that’s awesome. My two best friends were HS sweethearts – in mid-40’s now. #kidlitchat |
| 2:18 am | LaFabuliste: | Read Lisa Sandell’s “Song of the Sparrow”- Elaine of Arth. fame written in verse. Diff take on the Elaine/Lance/Gwen/Art story. #kidlitchat |
| 2:18 am | LaFabuliste: | Also, VERY easy to read, though in verse. I think I did it in one bath. #kidlitchat |
| 2:20 am | LaFabuliste: | Then again, I could not live without poetry– left all volumes in Ohio when I lived in Paris and nearly cried upon realizing. #kidlitchat |
| 2:20 am | timkeetonwriter: | Wow, sorry I missed tonight guys and gals, particularly if the topic was “poetry”… #kidlitchat |
| 2:21 am | EgmontGal: | @LaFabuliste But, how poetic to arrive in Paris sans poetry. In Paris, one must live, not read. #kidlitchat |
| 2:22 am | LaFabuliste: | @EgmontGal True, I wrote my own while there. But I also hightailed it to the Eng. bookstore and picked up 20th Cent French Poets #kidlitchat |
| 2:22 am | nkrell: | @EgmontGal And eat. Europe=amazing food. #kidlitchat |
| 2:23 am | leewind: | @EgmontGal Rats! Now I’m going to have to watch that whole episode (thank you, Tivo!) #kidlitchat |
| 2:23 am | SheviStories: | @EgmontGal Once read about a great English bookstore in Paris. Don’t know the name, though. #kidlitchat |
| 2:24 am | LaFabuliste: | @SheviStories Shakespeare and Co?! Oh! It’s heaven. Floor to ceiling books, and little apts for traveling writers to stay in. #kidlitchat |
| 2:25 am | timkeetonwriter: | I live, I breathe, I love, I eat, I laugh, I cry, I yawn, I sleep,/ I wax poetic (or try too), and sometimes I weep. #kidlitchat |
| 2:25 am | SheviStories: | @LaFabuliste Yes! That’s the one! I loved the pictures of it. It did look like heaven. #kidlitchat |
| 2:25 am | leewind: | @emilytastic writing so your 15 yr old inner teen learns to love herself is a beautiful mission! #kidlitchat |
| 2:26 am | nkrell: | Good night all! #kidlitchat |
| 2:27 am | SheviStories: | Good night! Thanks for the interesting chat. #kidlitchat |
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