Kidlitchat Transcript – April 27
| 1:00 am | kidlitchat: | TOPIC: Print on demand is cheap. eBooks solve distribution issues. Is self-publishing now viable for kid’s books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | Buffyandrews: | RT @bonnieadamson: TOPIC: POD is cheap. eBooks solve distribution issues. Is self-publishing now viable for kids books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @gregpincus My clock must have been off. #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | cjomololu: | Man, I think I should opt out of this topic. #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | adamselzer: | Problem is: how many kids have ereaders yet? And where would they even hear about your book? #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @tristanbancks That’s completely nice!! Thank you so much! (Weeps with happy. A future reader!!) #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | chrstinef: | nice topic! #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | KatGirl_Studio: | not for PB in my opinion since most POD’s print color really poorly #kidlitchat |
| 1:01 am | skodobah: | @Buffyandrews YUMMY!!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | sandyfussell: | Dropping in for the first time. Hi all. Hi @tristanbancks #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | stephanieruble: | Time for #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | kayeleenhamblin: | I’ve heard that the iPad had great graphics, but I don’t know that an 8 year old needs one. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | Buffyandrews: | Doesn’t it in part depend on marketing? You can write a GR8 book, but if you can’t market it, the book will go nowhere. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | ReadingVacation: | Would a reader have pictures? Kids like pictures. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | bonnieadamson: | @KatGirl_Studio So if the technology catches up, it’s ok? #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | skodobah: | Not sure if ebooks for kids is a good idea. #kidlitchat |
| 1:02 am | gregpincus: | @KatGirl_Studio Yes, POD’s do print color poorly for the most part. eBooks, however, don’t have that problem, do they? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | TracyClark_TLC: | Biggest problem with self-publishing is QUALITY control. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | MichelleDEvans: | Hello !! do we have a topic? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | hollycupala: | viability determined by success, not cost, right? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @gregpincus I have never seen a PB e-book so I don’t know #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | gregpincus: | @skodobah why aren’t ebooks for kids a good idea? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | ReadingVacation: | I don’t know any kids with a reader. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | adamselzer: | RT @TracyClark_TLC: Biggest problem with self-publishing is QUALITY control. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | stephanieruble: | Hi everyone! RT @bonnieadamson TOPIC: POD is cheap. eBooks solve distribution issues. Is self-publishing viable for kids books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | bonnieadamson: | @sandyfussell Welcome! #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | Buffyandrews: | I don’t think we are there yet with ebooks for kids. It’s just not the same experience. maybe we need to market the experience? #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | peg366: | #kidlitchat Hello all. |
| 1:03 am | cjomololu: | Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | lectitans: | Can’t actually participate in #kidlitchat – too much work to do for library school. Another time! |
| 1:03 am | hpinski: | very different question when asked from PB perspective or upper MG/YA. #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | EgmontGal: | @Buffyandrews POD may be “viable” but getting your story out there is the key–right now publishers can do that for you better #kidlitchat |
| 1:03 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @bonnieadamson possibly #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | tehawesomersace: | RT @adamselzer: RT @TracyClark_TLC: Biggest problem with self-publishing is QUALITY control. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | skodobah: | @gregpincus Perhaps they would be – kids love the computer for learning games. An ebook could have a similar effect. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | stephanieruble: | RT @TracyClark_TLC: Biggest problem with self-publishing is QUALITY control. <– agree, especially for PBs #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | KellyDHouse: | I’m not familiar with the whole eBook thing. Need paper and pencil in hand to read. Can they show quality illos? #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | bonnieadamson: | RT @hpinski: very different question when asked from PB perspective or upper MG/YA. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | EgmontGal: | Put another way: ebooks solve inventory issues, no more 5000 books in your trunk or garage. But do they solve distribution? #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | chrstinef: | RT @cjomololu: Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | carolgrannick: | Trying to picture Kevin Henkes holding up ebook for big crowd of adoring fans last night. Just can’t picture it. Old fashioned? #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | skodobah: | @EgmontGal Amen! #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | kayeleenhamblin: | ? Is electronic media an eventuality? #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | EgmontUSA: | @gregpincus They aren’t really using ereaders (beyond borrowing their parents’). The equipment is still expensive. . . . #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | skodobah: | However, kids can’t take their ebooks to bed. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | stephanieruble: | RT @EgmontGal POD may be “viable” but getting your story out there is the key–right now publishers can do that for you better #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | tehawesomersace: | I can honestly say that anyone who has ever read a POD book would think twice, thrice, foursies about doing it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:04 am | ReadingVacation: | @TeenageReader Nope. I like old fashioned books – the real deal. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | Buffyandrews: | @EgmontGal Agreed. How many authors have money to effectively market their book? plus clout, contacts, etc.? Probably few. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | adamselzer: | I know peope (esp. in nonfic) who do well self publishing. Problem is, consumers know any idiot can self publish anything. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | cjomololu: | It’s not the distribution. It’s lack of art direction, professionalism, editors, etc. that is the problem with self pub. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | skodobah: | A soft e-reader for kids to use? #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | jamesburksart: | I think POD only works if you have the marketing and business skills to go out there and sell it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | bonnieadamson: | So is marketing the only issue? #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | deegarretson: | can two people sit with one reader and see the screen? How would the classic parent reading to child work with a PB on a reader? #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | hpinski: | marketing issue is key. Bigger issue for me is editorial. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | kidlutions: | RT @chrstinef: RT @cjomololu: Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | gregpincus: | @KellyDHouse Can computers show quality illos? Cuz soon readers will be like that, qualitywise #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | skodobah: | The Puffy E-Reader, by Hasbro. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | EgmontGal: | Re. Quality control, that’s it.Publishers provide a funnel right now. And parents want to be pointed to “what does my kid want?” #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | sharifwrites: | @TracyClark_TLC I agree. I’ve seen really bad to good spectrum. The bad is way worse than the bad in traditional pub. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | EgmontUSA: | . . . . Expensive + not super durable is not a good formula for e-readers for young ones. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | stephanieruble: | RT @EgmontGal: Put another way: ebooks solve inventory issues … But do they solve distribution? #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | KellyDHouse: | I’ve got a friend who self-published a board book series. Turned it into an ipod app and it’s done great. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA But you don’t have to have an ereader to use ebooks. IPods are great for ebooks. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | kayeleenhamblin: | If you self-pub, aren’t you missing out on having the best possible book? Editors, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:05 am | EgmontUSA: | I’m not saying that the e-reader for kids isn’t coming in the future – I just don’t think we have it yet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | TracyClark_TLC: | As a writer I’d worry about the avalanche of subpar books that would be out there. As a mother…oh, haaeell no. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | gregpincus: | @tehawesomersace I disagree. I have read good POD books, though mostly in non-fiction/niche markets #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | adamselzer: | Then again, I’ve toyed with the idea of putting out ebooks for unreleased sequels, books that don’t have much of a market, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | EgmontGal: | @KellyDHouse out of curiosity, do you have sales figs for the board book ipod app? #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | bonnieadamson: | RT @cjomololu: Its not the distribution. Its lack of art direction, editors, etc. that is the problem with self pub.<–agree. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | VBTremper: | RT @cjomololu: Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | boylebob: | The hard part is getting people to notice it amongst the masses of self published work. It may work for established authors. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | Buffyandrews: | And lets not forget that there have been self-pub books that were later picked up by houses and made it big. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | ReadingVacation: | @skodobah That sounds nice. Soft – fun colors. But the parents have to pay for them. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | houndrat: | @EgmontUSA Ha ha, good point! My kids would have one broken in under ten seconds…… #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | srjohannes: | hi guys – what’s the topic?  #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | chrstinef: | @gregpincus me too! #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | literaticat: | So tweetchat is… just broken, orrrrr…. ? #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | tehawesomersace: | @gregpincus They may be the exception. Tried some POD pic books for little one…not good. #kidlitchat |
| 1:06 am | gregpincus: | @EgmontGal Yes, I think this is a key thing when dealing with younger kids and books – quality control and reputation #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | jamesburksart: | For every one great self published book there will be a bunch that aren’t very good. Quality is always a factor. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | adamselzer: | @literaticat working for me #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | bonnieadamson: | @srjohannes Print on demand is cheap. eBooks solve distribution issues. Is self-publishing now viable for kid’s books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | skodobah: | @ReadingVacation I know. Hence the reason I’m not getting one for my son anytime soon. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | gregpincus: | @EgmontUSA No, they aren’t using ereaders in bulk yet. They are digital natives and cell phone users, though, aren’t they? #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | SusanUhlig: | So much self-pub is so in need of editing and/or art direction #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | sandyfussell: | @caitstuff Ask kids around you and read those – might help you find your inner clown #yalitchat, #pblitchat, #kidlitchat, #amwriting |
| 1:07 am | bonnieadamson: | @literaticat You seem to be here. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | EgmontUSA: | @tehawesomersace Sure, but it’s not the most accessible way to read a book. It takes much longer to get through a book. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | hpinski: | and you can find an editor for hire, but not the same as an editor who has acquired a ms they love. #kidlitchat |
| 1:07 am | sharifwrites: | @kayeleenhamblin Yes. And in the haste to be published, one misses out on the time to improve his/her skills. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | kayeleenhamblin: | I don’t know that self-pubbed or ereader would work well for small children. They need the tactile experience. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | cjomololu: | Readers don’t know the difference between self pubbed and traditional. Bad self pub (most of it) cheapens entire industry IMHO. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | KellyDHouse: | @EgmontGal I’ll find out. I know it sells for something like $1.99. It’s an alphabet book app. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | EgmontUSA: | @gregpincus And that’s why I think we’ll get there, but not yet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | ReadingVacation: | @skodobah My parents say they are too expensive too. Library is free and book store is affordable. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | EgmontGal: | I become more and more clear how much parents want guidance. Age codes, blurbs, awards, reviews, clear hook. Pubs provide that #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | SusanUhlig: | @hpinski Good point! #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | boylebob: | @jamesburksart Quality will help you get noticed but it will still be tough going without the support of a publisher. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | amyknichols: | Hello. What’s the topic tonight? Self-publishing? #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | carolgrannick: | RT @ReadingVacation: @skodobah My parents say they are too expensive too. Library is free and book store is affordable. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @sharifwrites Exactly. You can pump out quantity without ever having quality. I’d prefer quality, both read and write. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | hollycupala: | I think it would be viable for a celebrity. The trick is branding. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | gregpincus: | @tehawesomersace Oh, I’ve read those, too. But I don’t think you throw out all options because people have done badly with it #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA For my two year old, it works great. She just looks at pics. So more for pic books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | KatGirl_Studio: | I think POD might work for someone if you already have hundreds of people wanting to buy the book #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | ReadingVacation: | Going to the library is a fun thing for little kids and their parents. #kidlitchat |
| 1:08 am | skodobah: | @ReadingVacation I also buy used books from the thrift shop – practically new. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | bonnieadamson: | @hollycupala Name recognition over quality? #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | srjohannes: | @hollycupala celebrities dont need viable #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | sandyfussell: | Do kids read ebooks? Is the format a good match? Don’t see it happening in Australia yet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | skodobah: | @ReadingVacation The library is a lifesaver for me and my son. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | gregpincus: | @EgmontUSA Ya. We certainly aren’t there yet. The shift will happen, though, imo. Which doesn’t doom books, btw. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | ReadingVacation: | @skodobah Have to check that out. Thanks. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | EgmontGal: | @hollycupala good point re. celebrities! but they also want prestige “Random House is my publisher” etc #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | TracyClark_TLC: | So true!! RT @ReadingVacation: Going to the library is a fun thing for little kids and their parents. #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | adamselzer: | @bonnieadamson Such is the market #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | EgmontUSA: | @tehawesomersace But imagine reading a 500+ page novel on there. . . . #kidlitchat |
| 1:09 am | skodobah: | My mother did a POD book – selling it was the most difficult aspect. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | tehawesomersace: | @gregpincus I agree, but I think people have unreasonable expectations with POD, self pub, vanity press, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | JennBailey: | I’ve stated before – my e-reader just makes me read more and more varied. BUT, I hate not being able to share those e-books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | boylebob: | It might be easier to stand out if your book is illustrated. It’s something that you can quickly and immediately react to. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | stephanieruble: | Self pubbing is more acceptable for comics/graphic novels. Would that apply to GN kid’s books too? #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | gregpincus: | @ReadingVacation but what about the day when libraries can give out eBooks? Admittedly not there, but could it be? #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | tristanbancks: | No kids that I speak to in schools (up to 12 y.o.) have ever read an ebook but in 2 yrs time the ipad may have changed the world #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | kayeleenhamblin: | My 3 yo loves the library! RT @ReadingVacation: Going to the library is a fun thing for little kids and their parents. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | bonnieadamson: | I think the ownership factor is important for kids: “This is MY book.” How does that translate? #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | carolgrannick: | Elaborate? RT @gregpincus: @EgmontUSA The shift will happen, though, imo. Which doesnt doom books, btw. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | sandyfussell: | @BonnieAdamson Thanks for the welcome. Not a topic I know much about but interested to listen in #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | stephanieruble: | RT @ReadingVacation: Going to the library is a fun thing for little kids and their parents. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | Buffyandrews: | @skodobah What did your mother do to market it? #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | EgmontGal: | @skodobah can you tell us more about how your mother tried to get word out on her pod? Curious how people are doing it #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA Agree. It’s a little tedious even on my kindle. Lots of clicking.  #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | literaticat: | @bonnieadamson POD isn’t cheap if you want real volume. Anyone can publish – I want my books available EVERYWHERE. #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | LaFabuliste: | Hi dudes. What’s shakin’ tonight? #kidlitchat |
| 1:10 am | skodobah: | @Buffyandrews This was before the Internet… sold it at church. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | JessicaLeader: | Wonder if there will be a main vendor, like iTunes. They seem to operate hierarchically–like a bookstore’s shelving, recs, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | pussreboots: | @tristanbancks But 12 year olds can’t afford an ipad. Nor can schools right now. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | EgmontGal: | We spend an enormous percentage of book’s wholesale price on marketing, sales and distribution. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | TracyClark_TLC: | I’m not against e-books. I buy them and use them. But they are books that are already pubbed in traditional sense first. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | JennBailey: | @gregpincus I see E-books like netflicks. What if I just want to RENT a book for a week. Then if I love, I’ll buy it! #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | gregpincus: | @tehawesomersace Yes. It’s a VERY hard road to hoe. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | vertigobooks: | You are spot on @EgmontGal many people lack the confidence to choose own>>celebrity books, “Just show me your bestsellers” #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | EgmontUSA: | @gregpincus I’m playing with an iPad now. My mission: see what’s out their in the app world for books, & where it might go. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | literaticat: | @BonnieAdamson @adamselzer Tweetchat is just frozen for me – I am getting this by refreshing #kidlitchat in regular twitter. Grr! |
| 1:11 am | SheviStories: | True. Heard it’s a great way to break into comics.RT @stephanieruble: Self-pub is more acceptable for comics/graphic novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | Buffyandrews: | @literaticat And it goes back to marketing, too. I have authors who self-pub all the time trying to get in the newspaper. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | bonnieadamson: | @literaticat Agreed. POD made for limited distribution. #kidlitchat |
| 1:11 am | skodobah: | @EgmontGal She sold it at church, and during Christian flea market things. Later, she put it on the web. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | pussreboots: | @stephanieruble Absolutely. My kids love going to the library and picking their own books to read. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | gregpincus: | @literaticat I want my books everywhere, too. Is every one of your clients big house books in B+N and Borders? #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | bonnieadamson: | @literaticat Do you have Tweetdeck/ #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | cjomololu: | I think ebooks will become a reality. I can only hope rampant self publishing won’t. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | tehawesomersace: | Yes! RT @JennBailey I see E-books like netflicks. What if I just want to RENT a book for a week. Then if I love, Ill buy it! #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | skodobah: | @EgmontGal She still has people contacting her for the book. It isn’t on Amazon… no numbers or anything. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @JennBailey isn’t that what the library is for? #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | JessicaLeader: | Got to say, most 12-yr-olds won’t be able to afford iPad, but some parents will get kids any new gadget come b’day! #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | srjohannes: | @cjomololu i agree….. #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | dawnmetcalf: | RT @JennBailey @gregpincus I see E-books like netflicks. If I just want to RENT a book for a week. Then if I love, I’ll buy it! #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | gregpincus: | POD is, of course, not the only option. You can print in quantity in cheaper ways, too. #kidlitchat Doesn’t = quality, though. |
| 1:12 am | Buffyandrews: | Do you think self-pub authors are treated differently than authors pubbed by house by readers? If so, how? #kidlitchat |
| 1:12 am | ejtonks: | My friend did self-pub. Between viral marketing via FB & such she sold abt 1,500 copies. What # would attract industry attn? #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @cjomololu isn’t self pub already rampant? #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | sandyfussell: | Would teens frequent a free or super cheap eBook store to download for iPAd the way currently haunt iTunes for free other apps? #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | skodobah: | I have a friend who usually visits this chat (but not tonight!) who did a successful self-pub for his non-fic books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | bonnieadamson: | @dawnbonnevie Possibly–that’s a thought. Hard to hold onto one, though. Sigh. I’m such a dinosaur. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | stephanieruble: | RT @cjomololu: I think ebooks will become a reality. I can only hope rampant self publishing wont. <– me too! #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | dawnmetcalf: | And: RT @KatGirl_Studio @JennBailey isn’t that what the library is for? #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | srjohannes: | @SheviStories self pub is also good for nonfiction #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | tehawesomersace: | @KatGirl_Studio But libraries have finite resources, and they don’t always have the books you want. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | JennBailey: | @KatGirl_Studio Yes, but the convenience of pulling down anywhere/anywhen would have me willing to spend a little something. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | hpinski: | RT @KatGirl_Studio: @cjomololu isnt self pub already rampant? #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | literaticat: | @gregpincus So far most of my clients have been reasonably well distributed. Hell of a lot better than they’d have done alone. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | skodobah: | I wouldn’t self-pub my YA stories. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | dawnmetcalf: | @KatGirl_Studio @JennBailey You can take out a Kindle at my local library. O.O #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @Buffyandrews I always wonder about the quality of the writing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | cjomololu: | @KatGirl_Studio Not as rampant as it could get. I’m not a fan in most cases. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | gregpincus: | @carolgrannick Just that I don’t see books disappearing, even as we do more digitally. Radio’s still here, after all. #kidlitchat |
| 1:13 am | bonnieadamson: | @gregpincus And layout is so crucial to pbs–page breaks are important. Won’t be the same in diff format #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | EgmontUSA: | @JessicaLeader And it will be broken or cast aside by Christmas if not sooner. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | EgmontGal: | @ejtonks I remember pubs looking at self published titles Hank the Cowdog, Jester lost his Jingle. The latter had sold 30,000 #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | LaFabuliste: | What’s the topic? e-books? Self pub? Having trouble pinpointing it…. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | adamselzer: | I think self pub works very well for nonfic – esp. competitive, fast-paced markets, like, say, ghost books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | JulieEshbaugh: | RT @gregpincus: @carolgrannick Just that I don’t see books disappearing, even as we do more digitally. Radio’s still here, after all. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | srjohannes: | @dawnmetcalf no way! what library is it? #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | skodobah: | I might consider doing an ebook at a point in the future. How To Raise And Train Your Floormink. JK #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | Buffyandrews: | RT @Buffyandrews: Do you think self-pub authors are treated differently than authors pubbed by house by readers? If so, how? #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | dawnmetcalf: | @tehawesomersace @KatGirl_Studio Ah, the magic of inter-library loan. I can get almost anything from anywhere in the state. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | JennBailey: | @dawnmetcalf Still hard for me to get to libraries all the time. Sometimes I finish a book in carpool. Want another ASAP! #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | amyknichols: | @kayeleenhamblin That’s my concern, too. Every self-pubbed book I’ve read has been…lacking. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | carolgrannick: | @gregpincus Good point. I can’t imagine my life without “real” books… #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | ReadingVacation: | @gregpincus True. Even if readers become popular, there will still be books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | pussreboots: | @KatGirl_Studio My kids enjoy Sally O. Lee’s books; she self publishes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | sandyalonzo: | I live in a small town where it seems like half the pop has self-published a book about something or other. #kidlitchat |
| 1:14 am | ejtonks: | @literaticat What is minimum sales goal for most books (# of copies sold, I mean)? #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | KatGirl_Studio: | I actually only know 1 person IRL who owns any form of e-reader so I think books will be around for awhile #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | Buffyandrews: | @amyknichols In what way have they been lacking? #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | LaFabuliste: | @buffyandrews treated differently by whom? Houses/readers/editors? #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | tehawesomersace: | @dawnmetcalf Really? I’m jealous. It seems like all of our libraries here get the same four books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | hollycupala: | sigh…this short visit to #kidlitchat brought to you by macaroni and cheese dinner… See you all later! |
| 1:15 am | EgmontUSA: | Also, imporatn to remember for ebooks it’s not just the device but how you buy. Most kids don’t have credit cards. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | dawnmetcalf: | RT @stephanieruble @cjomololu: I think ebooks will become a reality. I can only hope rampant self publishing won’t. <– me too! #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | Sarahbear9789: | @cjomololu I agree… Self published books usually sucks. I think I have liked 1, out of the 20+ I have accepted. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | JessicaLeader: | On NPR’s Fresh Air, media commentator Ken Auletta on Can The iPad Or The Kindle Save Book Publishers? (Timely for us!) #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | EgmontGal: | The thing that scares me in self pubbing, editorially, is the art! Oh god, more cartoonish, googly-eyed characters. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | gregpincus: | @literaticat Yes, I’m sure better than done alone. But that’s different than “everywhere”… and dif too from where they sell. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | pussreboots: | @KatGirl_Studio I’ve only seen two ereaders when out and about. Compared to dozens of books being read. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | srjohannes: | @JessicaLeader ipad is only 500$. I bet some parents’ll get it (instead of laptop) for holiday.harder 2 keep track of teen #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | ejtonks: | @EgmontGal But how long did it take them to reach 30K sold, I wonder #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | kayeleenhamblin: | I freelanced for a guy who self-pubbed. He didn’t listen to a thing I had to say. It was frustrating for both of us. #kidlitchat |
| 1:15 am | SusanUhlig: | Books require no batteries, or charge – hard to beat! #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | boylebob: | @bonnieadamson The picture book format/layout will adjust to the new tech. It will just be different. Maybe even better. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | sharifwrites: | @amyknichols I’ve found the same. Only fell in love with one that was done really well. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | tristanbancks: | @sandyfussell Hi Sandy. Great to see you. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | srjohannes: | @JessicaLeader was that today? #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | dawnmetcalf: | @srjohannes O.O My small town local library. Don’t other states have this? (I’m in CT.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | tehawesomersace: | I think self-publishing would be a good option if you already have a large following, like with Steph Meyer…she could sell TP. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Also, graphics are important: page layout, typesetting, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | skodobah: | Excuse me… my son just dropped his e-reader in the toilet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | EgmontGal: | @pussreboots I’ve seen a lot of kindles on airplanes, and quite a few on the subway. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | Sarahbear9789: | @EgmontGal I agree. The covers are the worst. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | JessicaLeader: | @EgmontGal I’m sure self-pubbed drawings can be horrifying, but I sort of laughed when you mentioned it! #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | gregpincus: | RT @boylebob: The picture book format/layout will adjust to the new tech. It will just be different. Maybe even better. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | dawnbonnevie: | If ereader quality (pic), durability, & price improve, we may see the educational market take advantage #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | dawnmetcalf: | @tehawesomersace @srjohannes I think I’m beginning to appreciate my library more & more… #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | JennBailey: | @dawnmetcalf @katgirl_studio Of course I still read plenty of “real” books. Nothing beats that “new book” smell. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | sandyfussell: | @EgmontUSA Would purchasers be predominantly adults anyway? Is here in Aust. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | stephanieruble: | RT @EgmontGal: The thing tht scares me in self pubbing, editorially, is the art! Oh god, more cartoonish, googly-eyed characters #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | pussreboots: | @tristanbancks I don’t see it happening quickly in the current economy. #kidlitchat |
| 1:16 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @skodobah LOL #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | amyknichols: | @Buffyandrews Each one needed major editing. Not just typos. Content editing. One book lacked any kind of setting. Poor writing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | EgmontGal: | @kayeleenhamblin the guy you freelanced for–did he make any money off self pubbing? #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | carolgrannick: | RT @EgmontGal: @pussreboots Ive seen a lot of kindles on airplanes, and quite a few on the subway. > Def see value for travel! #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | TracyClark_TLC: | When you think of all the talent that goes into the finished project of a book, you have to concede that something will be lost. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | sandyfussell: | RT @tehawesomersace: I think self-publishing would be a good option if you already have a large following, like with Steph Meye. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | adamselzer: | I don’t think I’ve I can recall reading a great book and THEN finding out it was self published. Excepting a bit of nonfic. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | SusanUhlig: | 2tehawesomersace Why would Steph Meyer need to self-publish? #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | gregpincus: | @dawnbonnevie Seton Hall has said incoming students get a laptop and an iPad and no textbooks non-digitally #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @JennBailey much better than the musky old book smell #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | tehawesomersace: | @dawnmetcalf LOL…glad I could help… #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | pussreboots: | @carolgrannick I haven’t been on an airplane in a decade. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | bonnieadamson: | @boylebob True–but there are subtleties with print that electronic can’t capture . . . yet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | JessicaLeader: | @dawnbonnevie Could be great. Kids torture their textbooks and rarely recycle them. BUt they’re hypnotized by the screen… #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | tristanbancks: | Usure if this has been asked but how many of you have ever bought a self-pub’d book? Not sure that I have, sadly. #kidlitchat |
| 1:17 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @EgmontGal I think he ended up selling less than 100 copies. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | skodobah: | @kayeleenhamblin Thank you. *takes a bow* #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | phoebekitanidis: | Can anyone name a author with a major following who chooses to self-publish? #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | sharifwrites: | @carolgrannick I’ve been reading more b/c of my e-reader. It’s so convenient to carry around. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | pussreboots: | @carolgrannick I suppose people who can afford to fly can afford ereaders. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | carolgrannick: | Like: RT @gregpincus:@dawnbonnevie Seton Hall has said incoming students get a laptop and an iPad and no textbooks non-digitally #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | dawnmetcalf: | The only thing I’d using self-pub for is promo, like putting short stories/novella out to drive up interest in my print books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | deegarretson: | @tristanbancks I bought a friend’s, couldn’t finish it #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | JennBailey: | I love that one too. RT @KatGirl_Studio: @JennBailey much better than the musky old book smell #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | katrinagermein: | LOL!RT @EgmontGal Thing that scares me in selfpubbing, editorially, is the art Oh god, more cartoonish, googly-eyed characters #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | pussreboots: | @tristanbancks I have. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | gregpincus: | @SusanUhlig It might not be a “need” to self pub, but IF you can sell, you make more money if you own it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | SusanUhlig: | Didn’t Diary of a Wimpy Kid start out as self-pub? #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | jamesburksart: | @bonnieadamson i think you have to be good at all aspects of book publishing to be able to put out a good looking PB. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | cjomololu: | @tristanbancks Haven’t bought, but been given by the author. Horrible on so many levels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | Sarahbear9789: | @amyknichols I read a Selfpublished book that didn’t have a plot… =( #kidlitchat |
| 1:18 am | skodobah: | @phoebekitanidis Good question. Excellent, in fact. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | tehawesomersace: | @SusanUhlig Larger profit share. She’s an established name. She doesn’t really need the marketing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @tristanbancks I have, but in another genre. Typos and poor writing were really evident. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | MichelleDEvans: | @tristanbancks yeah – I bought heaps – and rarely dissapointed… tho a few… have been … well … not worthy #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | adamselzer: | e-textbooks are a VERY good idea. My backpack weighed about 50 pounds in high school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | karenrivers: | Self-publishing would only be viable if it came with some kind of mandatory editing. I avoid them. I tire of mentally editing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | lisabrowndraws: | @pussreboots And then you have to turn your book off for taking off and landing. Not if it’s a BOOK. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | stephanieruble: | @phoebekitanidis Robert Quackenbush has self pubbed some books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | EgmontGal: | You know a possible good thing about self publishing? Maybe fewer people will be deceived by vanity presses #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | JessicaLeader: | I wonder if self-pubbed eBooks will have that aura of impostorship, the way self-pubbed paper ones do…More typos, I bet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | kayeleenhamblin: | Truth is, we all hear the stories of Eragon or something, but that is so rare that it stands out. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | JulieEshbaugh: | @gregpincus interesting- my hubby’s in IT at Princeton U. Tested e-readers and decided they were not a viable alternative! #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | bonnieadamson: | @SusanUhlig Wimpy Kid was free online,in installments. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | tristanbancks: | @JennBailey I wonder if the new gen ipads will come with a ‘new book smell’ app. That would convert so many peeps. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | sandyalonzo: | Writing is way too much work to PAY someone to publish my stuff! #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | Fictionornon: | RT @TracyClark_TLC: When you think of all the talent that goes into the finished project of a book, you have to concede that something will be lost. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | karenrivers: | Of course, am sure there are exceptions. Just seems to be pretty prevalent. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | katrinagermein: | @tristanbancks I’ve tried to read some self pubbed things but never able to finish them. Would rather read something good. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | ejtonks: | @adamselzer AGREED! Where were iPad & Kindle when I was in college?!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | amyknichols: | @dawnmetcalf I’ve thought about that, too. Especially since it’s nearly impossible to publish a collection of short stories. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | TracyClark_TLC: | Yes!! RT @adamselzer: e-textbooks are a VERY good idea. My backpack weighed about 50 pounds in high school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | sharifwrites: | @karenrivers All the mistakes are distracting. #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | SusanUhlig: | RT @sandyalonzo: Writing is way too much work to PAY someone to publish my stuff! #kidlitchat |
| 1:19 am | pussreboots: | @adamselzer Jane Austen, Charles Dickens and Harriet Beecher Stowe (among others) all self published at one time or another. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | srjohannes: | @dawnmetcalf don’t know but ill be checking! #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | Sarahbear9789: | @phoebekitanidis Wasn’t Eragon, first self published? #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | ReadingVacation: | Even in fifth grade, I do over half of my school work online. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | literaticat: | I almost think that you are picking on me, @gregpincus. Not sure I get it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | EgmontGal: | @JessicaLeader What about Cory Doctorow’s Little Brother?That is available on line in a document he created, right? And popular? #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | LaFabuliste: | As intern, saw some self-pub books come through slush. Are s-p authors open to editing/changes? Generally speaking? #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | SheviStories: | @tristanbancks I’ve bought self-published nonfiction books written by experts: one on creative thinking, the other on autism. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | boylebob: | @bonnieadamson true. but I’m not sure that kids growing up on computers will care about those subtleties. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | ReadingVacation: | @adamselzer My fifth grade textbooks are online. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | EgmontUSA: | @sandyfussel In the current model parents, grandparents buy predominantly for kids, but give a kid an ereader, how will it work? #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | JennBailey: | Brought home some great books from my Grandfather. 1 is from 1854 about Common Animal ailment care. “Give them Gin.” Love it!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | LaFabuliste: | Yeah, but how many Jane Austens are there in the world? Not a lot. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | yachicka: | Just read my son bedtime book – signed copy of Squids Will Be Squids. An e-reader couldn’t touch that experience #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | jamesburksart: | @EgmontGal even published books have their share of bad art. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | dawnmetcalf: | Agreed! RT @adamselzer e-textbooks are a VERY good idea. My backpack weighed about 50 pounds in high school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:20 am | gregpincus: | Forget self-pub. Call it “independent pub.” What about a collective of authors or authors/editors doing it #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | adamselzer: | @pussreboots well, sort of. Dickens edited some of the magazines that published him serially. And he was already HUGE #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | sandyfussell: | @tristanbancks Never bought an e-book either. Not adverse – never looked – always another book grabbing my attention first #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | amyknichols: | As for self-pubbed eBooks, most people think it’s easy, just create a PDF, but give no thought to page layout. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | bonnieadamson: | @boylebob Arrgghh! #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | ktubb: | Hi, all! Looks like topic is self-pubbing? #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | dawnmetcalf: | @amyknichols Xactly. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | EgmontGal: | @jamesburksart True, published books can have bad art, but you haven’t seen what we’ve seen re. general idea of kid’s book art #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | Buffyandrews: | @karenrivers I agree on the editing. I can’t help editing the papers the kids bring home from the teachers. An entire book? NO! #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @Sarahbear9789 How often do you hear that kind of story, though? #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | srjohannes: | @dawnmetcalf @tehawesomersace I guess so – you get a free kindle!  #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | gregpincus: | @literaticat Not picking on you. I think self-pubbing is VERY hard. I do think, though, that big house pubbing is hard, too #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | carolgrannick: | RT @gregpincus: Forget self-pub. Call it “independent pub.” What about a collective of authors or authors/editors doing it #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | bonnieadamson: | @ktubb Yes, lord help us. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | TheAsianAngel: | Author collective. Hmm. Maybe if they were authors that had been previously traditionally published. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | phoebekitanidis: | RT @dawnmetcalf: Agreed! RT @adamselzer e-textbooks are a VERY good idea. My backpack weighed about 50 pounds in high school. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | pussreboots: | I read a lot of self published. I see about the same distribution of errors/bad writing in self pub as real pub. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | lisabrowndraws: | @yachicka I feel like ereaders will be akin to watching TV with your kid. Not the same, but nice. Depending on the story. #kidlitchat |
| 1:21 am | SciFiAudiobooks: | @EgmontGal you know what self pub can mean? I looked at bookscan today, author had 9 books no sales and I passed #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | EgmontUSA: | @sandyfussel Hard to believe that if you give a kid an electronic toy as “theirs” they’ll hand it to mom to load up w/ books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | hpinski: | RT @gregpincus: Forget self-pub. Call it “independent pub.” What about a collective of authors or authors/editors doing it #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | JessicaLeader: | @EgmontGal I thought Cory Doctorow just asked his publisher’s permission to make it avail for download. Not self-pubbed — ? #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | ktubb: | RT @bonnieadamson: @ktubb Yes, lord help us. < #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | amyknichols: | @gregpincus I thought independent publishing meant pubbed by an independent press? The terminology gets murky. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | sandyalonzo: | E-books should work great in schools, but not in the picture book grades #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | hpinski: | Of course I’ve picked up some publishing house books that were poorly edited too… #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA Gift cards. Isn’t that how the emusic model works? Itunes really revolutionized gift giving re: tech. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | jamesburksart: | You have to pay extra for plot RT @Sarahbear9789: @amyknichols I read a Selfpublished book that didnt have a plot… #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | MariahDeMarco: | ok folks, I gotta run, open house at school tonight! 4th grade, here we come! xox #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | karenrivers: | @Buffyandrews Ha! It’s exhausting! I need an ‘off’ switch so I can stop myself from doing it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | dawnmetcalf: | @gregpincus The Merry Sisters of Fate did just that before they each hit it big. @msteifvater, @tessagratton & @brennayvanoff #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | Sarahbear9789: | @yachicka I agree. I love my signed books. I have a whole shelf just for them. #kidlitchat |
| 1:22 am | EgmontGal: | @hpinski I think “a collective” is where it could get interesting–names draw you there. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | dawnmetcalf: | (That’s @brennayovanoff) #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | Buffyandrews: | @karenrivers Agree! #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | lisabrowndraws: | Self-publishing: I would really really miss my editor and art director. It’s really a team effort, for pbs at least. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | LaFabuliste: | kindle/ipad/etc make me fear that we’ll go back to the pre-penny-dreadful days when only the elite could afford books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | JessicaLeader: | I guess I wd ask music-lovers: do you think tunes shared for free w/out major labels are lacking, or compromise the industry? #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | gregpincus: | @JulieEshbaugh Yeah, no idea how Seton Hall came up with this. But they did #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | bonnieadamson: | Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | EgmontGal: | @JessicaLeader I don’t know the Cory Doctorow back story, I was guessing. Sorry! #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | TracyClark_TLC: | *snickers* Funny. RT @jamesburksart: You have to pay extra for plot #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | stephanieruble: | RT @jamesburksart: You have 2 pay extra 4 plot RT @Sarahbear9789: @amyknichols I read a Selfpublished book tht didnt have a plot #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | EgmontGal: | @lisabrowndraws It’s a team effort for novels, too #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | sharifwrites: | RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | justkeepreading: | Knowing 7th graders like I do-most wouldn’t want a dedicated e-reader. It better do lots more and just happen to hold books too. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | Sarahbear9789: | @jamesburksart But I got it for review… must have went missing in the mail… lol #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | hpinski: | THANK YOU! RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | WriterRoss: | But a Cory Doctorow already has an established following. More breathing room to “self”/alternative publish a book. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | karenrivers: | Probably a lot of traditionally published authors would be publishing crap if it wasn’t heavily edited. Editing is VITAL, imho. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | carolgrannick: | RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:23 am | gregpincus: | @amyknichols self pub, indie pub, small press – I suspect they will blend. The stigma can disappear if you take “self” out #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | KatGirl_Studio: | yes author collectives sounds like it could be a great idea #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | sandyalonzo: | I totally agree!!!!!!RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | EgmontUSA: | @tehawesomersace But you still have to have a credit card linked- and ebooks are much more expensive than buying a single song. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | literaticat: | @JessicaLeader @egmontgal – My client Daniel P gives away his books online in serialized e-version before pub. It drives sales. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | jamesburksart: | I can only imagine the horrors you’ve seen. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | sandyfussell: | @gregpincus if selfpublishing’s image problem is resolved – ie. new ‘independent’ quality publishing – better chance of success #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | amyknichols: | I have some picture book apps on my iPhone that my kids love. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | WriterRoss: | Agreed. RT @hpinski: THANK YOU! RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | ejtonks: | RT @pussreboots: I read a lot of self published. I see abt the same distribution of errors/bad writing in self pub as real pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | jackiedolamore: | I think music is pretty different from books, though… #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | dawnmetcalf: | Will have to come back to the transcript. Thanks, all, for even a brief but thought-worthy #kidlitchat ! |
| 1:24 am | JessicaLeader: | @literaticat @egmontgal I guess it’s 2 sep. issues: eBooks through publishers and self-pubbed. Seems like we agree it’s diff! #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @literaticat he does what? #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | Sarahbear9789: | RT @sandyalonzo: I totally agree!!!!!!RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | ejtonks: | RT @literaticat: – My client Daniel P gives away his books online in serialized e-version before pub. It drives sales. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | kayeleenhamblin: | Another problem I see with eBooks, self-pubbed is actually getting paid for the work. Pirating always follows electronic media. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | pussreboots: | @carolgrannick And well established authors at big publishing houses also still need editors. #kidlitchat |
| 1:24 am | jamesburksart: | @EgmontGal I can only imagine the horrors you’ve seen. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | EgmontGal: | Yes, sample chapters and streaming audio v popular for publicity. Also dowloadable for a period of time. Suze Orman did that #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | hpinski: | Writing is a solitary act. Publishing is a collaborative one. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | ktubb: | Editing is an art form, an entirely separate skill set from writing. Self-pubbing misses that extra artist in the mix. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | cjomololu: | @gregpincus I don’t want the stigma to disappear! <Stamps foot> #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | adamselzer: | Everyone who puts their books up free seems to say it’s good for sales. Part of why I don’t crack down on bootlegs. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | SheviStories: | Writing is an art; publishing is a business. I’ll leave the business part to those who know more about business. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | adamselzer: | I probably shouldn’t say that out loud, though. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | stephanieruble: | RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. <— yes, this! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | sandyfussell: | Agree. Need to resolve self-pub image problem RT @KatGirl_Studio: yes author collectives sounds like it could be a great idea #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | LaFabuliste: | @EgmontGal and @neilhimself with Graveyard Book, yes? Still on NYT Bestseller list. #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | chrstinef: | RT @stephanieruble: RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. <— yes, this! #kidlitchat |
| 1:25 am | stephanieruble: | RT @ktubb: Editing is an art form, an entirely separate skill set from writing. Self-pubbing misses that extra artist in the mix #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | chrstinef: | RT @SheviStories: Writing is an art; publishing is a business. I’ll leave the business part to those who know more about business. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA You can buy gift cards at most major retailers…it could work same way. Like giving BN gift card. Just digital. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | bonnieadamson: | Yes. RT @ktubb: Editing is an art form, an entirely separate skill set from writing. Self-pubbing misses that extra artist. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | pussreboots: | @kayeleenhamblin Back before ebooks… people where transcribing paper published books and posting text on internet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | tristanbancks: | Interesting most people disappointed reading self pub’d books. @gregpincus idea of a collective of authors/eds might be way fwd? #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | justkeepreading: | I tell my students all the time that they can put audio books on their ipods. I always get the “why would I do that” look. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | ErinDealey: | #SCBWICA last weekend: @EyeOnFlux said self-pub doesn’t jinx your chances of getting published elsewhere if your sales are good. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | pussreboots: | @stephanieruble Self publishers can hire editors. Some do. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | amyknichols: | I know writers who create their own pub co thru CreateSpace and pub their own books. Something about that feels shifty to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | MadeleineRex: | @ReadingVacation Lucky! I’d give almost anything to be able to do that. #kidlitchat |
| 1:26 am | katrinagermein: | @gregpincus Sometimes publishers can help contain ego and therefore maintain quality. Could be an issue for a ‘collective’? #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | MichelleDEvans: | RT @SheviStories: Writing is an art; publishing is a business. leave the business part to those who know more about business. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | EgmontGal: | My friend’s dad pub’d 2 mysteries through a POD house. No 1 found them, of course.And they are terrible but he doesn’t know that #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | TheAsianAngel: | Personally, my concern would be an insurgence of self-pub if e-books took the world by storm. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | EgmontUSA: | @tehawesomersace That’s how it probably will work, esp. for teens, but younger kids still rely on the inbetween. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | SheviStories: | DH is an under-employed soundman (very experienced & knowledgeable). Vooks might work for him, but how to break in? #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | tehawesomersace: | @justkeepreading That’s funny, I like ebooks, but despise audio books. Don’t know why. *shrugs* #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | stephanieruble: | @amyknichols True, but not all. The ones who do understand the importance of editing and prob. have a better book. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | deegarretson: | @katrinagermein writers have egos? #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | ReadingVacation: | Do you think ebooks will replace books in the long run? #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | jackiedolamore: | I’ve known some brilliant writers who write odd stuff that would never be picked up mainstream,4 that would love self-pubbing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | Sarahbear9789: | RT @SheviStories: Writing is an art; publishing is a business. leave the business part to those who know more about business. #kidlitchat |
| 1:27 am | susankayequinn: | #kidlitchat @ErinDealey What constitutes “good sales?” 1,000? 10,000? |
| 1:28 am | EgmontUSA: | @tehawesomersace I guess I’m wondering how this will all work for your chapter book and middle grade readers. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal ouch #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | SpellboundBkshp: | Typical self-pub PB: forced metaphor to teach “important lesson,” text much too long for reader and illustrations done in crayon.#kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | EgmontGal: | The man who self pub’d told me “I’m good at writing, not selling myself” But I thought “Good writing would sell itself to me” #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | boylebob: | Personally, I’d like to focus on what I enjoy. Creating things. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | JessicaLeader: | @justkeepreading Sad!I did have one student who listened to Harry Potter while she cleaned her room. Loved that she told me that #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | LaFabuliste: | For instance: This Glee episode could use an editor. Am also having trouble finding the plot with this medium…. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | katydidcamp: | RT @stephanieruble: RT @ktubb: Editing is an art form, an entirely separate skill set from writing. Self-pubbing misses that extra artist in the mix #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | katrinagermein: | @deegarretson LOL Not me of course #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal poor guy! you didnt tell him? #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | kayeleenhamblin: | @ReadingVacation Books will always be around, even if it’s just old books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | SpellboundBkshp: | Based on what ppl bring to me. I wish I were exaggerating. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA Agree. That inbetween is always the hard group to reach. Not enough buying power, yet still consume greatly. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | lisabrowndraws: | @EgmontGal Wouldn’t you HAVE to sell yourself if you self-pubbed? #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | j_ro333: | This is crucial. RT @BonnieAdamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:28 am | pussreboots: | RT @ReadingVacation: Do you think ebooks will replace books in the long run? #kidlitchat No. |
| 1:29 am | MadeleineRex: | @ReadingVacation I don’t believe they will. Although, hey, records aren’t made anymore (because of CDs). But books are classic! #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | gregpincus: | Getting people to find your indie pubbed book is definitely a huge issue, too. Platform helps. Quality needed still. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | SheviStories: | Self-publishing works for those who just want to hand-sell their own books, like poets who do readings. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | uminomamori: | Self-publishing seems to be the best way to go in comic books and graphic novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | adamselzer: | Ebooks WILL bring a surge of self publishing, but it won’t increase self-pubbed readership very much. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | tehawesomersace: | @EgmontUSA Maybe a leapster type toy with a subscription a la Disney? #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | jamesburksart: | Me too. RT @boylebob: Personally, Id like to focus on what I enjoy. Creating things. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | boylebob: | @JessicaLeader My nephew goes to sleep every night to Harry Potter on tape. Everything has it’s place. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | WriterRoss: | Putting up sample songs a la bands on MySpace a way 2 get noticed. Snippets to sales. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | amyknichols: | I’d love to read a good self-published book. Any recommendations? #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | JennBailey: | RT @EgmontGal: Man who self pubd told me “Im good at writing, not selling myself” But thought “Good writing would sell itself” #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | EgmontGal: | @srjohannes Poor guy! Arrogant guy. He said “There could be great senators who don’t like to campaign” #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | j_ro333: | #kidlitchat However – while editing is crucial – that doesn’t mean you can’t hire someone outside of a publishing company. |
| 1:29 am | LibbyJordan: | RT @gregpincus: Getting people to find your indie pubbed book is definitely a huge issue, too. Platform helps. Quality needed still. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | SheviStories: | True. RT @uminomamori: Self-publishing seems to be the best way to go in comic books and graphic novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | susankayequinn: | #kidlitchat @EgmontUSA My MG kids read on my nook. |
| 1:29 am | KrisYankee: | Ugh. Just remembered #kidlitchat. Red Wing hockey will have to take precedence this week. See you all next week! |
| 1:29 am | Sarahbear9789: | @amyknichols I agree. It is like skipping a few steps in the publishing process. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | ErinDealey: | @susankayequinn #kidlitchat @ErinDealey What constitutes “good sales?” 1,000? 10,000? Editors check Bookscan. |
| 1:29 am | srjohannes: | @JessicaLeader a teen who cleans her room? #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | emilytastic: | What exactly is the topic tonight? I fell asleep on my couch and woke up to quickly scrolling madness! #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | VBTremper: | RT @SheviStories: Writing is an art; publishing is a business. I’ll leave the business part to those who know more about business. #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | EgmontGal: | @lisabrowndraws Yes, you would either have to sell yourself, if self-pubbed, or get the sales Harry did. His book was laughable #kidlitchat |
| 1:29 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @uminomamori yes i agree most comics/GN are self pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal all the more reason to tell him his book sux #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | TaraLazar: | There’s a NJ author/illustrate who does marvelous work; she chose to self-publish to have full control of her creation. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | LM_Preston: | @amyknichols The Bum Magnent #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | gregpincus: | @katrinagermein I think any collective of creative types has potential problem areas #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | jackiedolamore: | True, I love indie comics. RT @uminomamori Self-publishing seems to be the best way to go in comic books and graphic novels. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | cjomololu: | @adamselzer But will it hurt readership of trad pubbed books? Will people get that there’s a difference? #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | alvarosalinasjr: | RT @sharifwrites: RT @bonnieadamson: Books need editing . . .seriously, folks. No matter how good you are. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | JessicaLeader: | @srjohannes Ha! She was a very special teen. (her dad was an English teacher. AND she was cool. I digress.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | SheviStories: | @emilytastic The topic is self-publishing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | LM_Preston: | While at writer’s conference met lots of self-pub turned small pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | carolgrannick: | RT @gregpincus: @katrinagermein I think any collective of creative types has potential problem areas Say it ain’t so! #kidlitchat |
| 1:30 am | tehawesomersace: | @emilytastic POD, self pub, and ebooks…the future? *dum dum DUM* #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | TaraLazar: | This author/illustrator is in demand for school visits. She knows how to market herself & how to entertain the kids & teachers. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | michellesussman: | News said last night e-readers stimulate the mind instead of relaxing. Not good for those of us who read b4 bed… #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | LM_Preston: | @jackiedolamore expensive to produce and promote comics #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | tristanbancks: | I think the key to self-pubbing kids’ books for a reader is to use the medium, do something a regular book can’t offer. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | amyknichols: | @LM_Preston Thanks. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | EgmontGal: | @alvarosalinasjr But there are a lot of “book doctors” for hire out there, many very good. So you could pay for that part. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | Sarahbear9789: | @kayeleenhamblin That is the only person that I can think of… everyone else had real rejection and such. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | WriterRoss: | The way artists reach audience may change. People BUY things electronically: music, books.But content still needs pro sculpting. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | jackiedolamore: | @cjomololu YES I am sure they will. People will read some crap, but not much. #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | ImSarahEnni: | That’s bcuz Jim Dale is an absolute GENIUS narrator for HP audiobooks – gr8 for dyslexics, too @boylebob @JessicaLeader #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | bonnieadamson: | @TaraLazar Oh, but you HAVE to bring other people into the mix–otherwise, it’s just self-indulgent . . .IMHO #kidlitchat |
| 1:31 am | literaticat: | @gregpincus Sure but that wasn’t the point I was making. Bonnie said POD was cheap. It’s not if you want volume. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | LM_Preston: | @tristanbancks Good Marketing Plan too #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | EgmontGal: | Though of course, a publisher will both edit your book and pay you for the privilege of publishing it. So a better deal. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | stephanieruble: | @MadeleineRex Vinyl records are making a comeback of sorts #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | katydidcamp: | RT @michellesussman: News said last night e-readers stimulate the mind instead of relaxing. Not good for those of us who read b4 bed… #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | amyknichols: | @bonnieadamson I agree. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | gregpincus: | I think there’s a huge difference between thinking self/small pub is THE future vs. part of the future. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | carolgrannick: | RT @michellesussman: … e-readers stimulate the mind instead of relaxing. Not good for those of us who read b4 bed…>For sure! #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | Sarahbear9789: | @cjomololu Trad books are much better, which is the main difference… #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | JessicaLeader: | @ImSarahEnni @boylebob Maybe we should get Jim Dale to narrate, like, everything. (Tax code…census…) #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | jackiedolamore: | @cjomololu Er, meant not to say not THAT much. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | EgmontUSA: | @susankayequinn But would you be ready to give them thier own Nooks? #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | ktubb: | RT @gregpincus: I think theres a huge difference between thinking self/small pub is THE future vs. part of the future. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | cjomololu: | @jackiedolamore And that’s why it scares me so. #kidlitchat |
| 1:32 am | TracyClark_TLC: | Not just editing, but art dept, marketing, sales, etc…I’ve got to believe that traditional publishing has more to offer. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | kayeleenhamblin: | RT @gregpincus: I think theres a huge difference between thinking self/small pub is THE future vs. part of the future. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @TaraLazar I’m having that problem now lots of people want me to do visits & signings before i had anything even published #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | hpinski: | Exactly. RT @gregpincus: I think theres a huge difference between thinking self/small pub is THE future vs. part of the future. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal But is an editor for hire going to be as objective & dedicated to quality? #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | EgmontUSA: | @tehawesomersace Maybe. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | Sarahbear9789: | RT @EgmontGal: Though of course, a publisher will both edit your book and pay you for the privilege of publishing it. So a better deal. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | karenrivers: | RT @EgmontGal: Though …a publisher will both edit your book & pay you for the privilege of publishing it. So a better deal. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | LM_Preston: | Self-pub turned pub is http://bit.ly/cLQasm #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | boylebob: | I think it helps that it’s a visual medium. RT @KatGirl_Studio: @uminomamori yes i agree most comics/GN are self pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | SheviStories: | What about Vooks (ebooks with audio/visual content)? Any thought? #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | JessicaLeader: | RT @gregpincus: I think there’s a huge difference between thinking self/small pub is THE future vs. part of the future. #kidlitchat |
| 1:33 am | cjomololu: | @Sarahbear9789 But how will readers know which is which? Most readers don’t care who the publisher is. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | LM_Preston: | Another self-pub author turned pub /bookstore owner Carl Weber #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | gregpincus: | @literaticat True. POD isn’t. But contracting with lightning source changes that. Sales still an issue!, though. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | emilytastic: | I’ll accept that e-books are a big part of publishing’s future. But the line b/w self-pub & trad-pub doesn’t dissolve so easily. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | stephanieruble: | RT @boylebob: I think it helps that its a visual medium RT @KatGirl_Studio: @uminomamori yes i agree most comics/GN are self pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | bonnieadamson: | @SheviStories Vooks–great for instructional, NF–not so much for fiction. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | hpinski: | Self-pub can’t be counted out entirely. If a person can do it and do it well I say more power to them. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | AmyBaskin: | RT @emilytastic: I’ll accept that e-books are a big part of publishing’s future. But the line b/w self-pub & trad-pub doesn’t dissolve so easily. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | danidraws: | Self pub in comics works b/c the creators are inventive, the community is strong, and the fans are discerning. PB could learn. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | susankayequinn: | @EgmontUSA I would get them their own nooks if the price came down <$99 – would save on $$ on books. Plus they think its cool. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | jackiedolamore: | @cjomololu Quality products always have a certain “look”, though, that people recognize, don’t think that will change. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | pussreboots: | @SheviStories I prefer my books to be quiet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | sandyalonzo: | Sounds fun! RT @SheviStories: What about Vooks (ebooks with audio/visual content)? Any thought? #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | adamselzer: | @SheviStories I think multimedia ebooks are part of where ebooks are headed: a genre unto themselves. #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | JessicaLeader: | @TracyClark_TLC So true that pub houses have lots to offer. Even with lots of expertise, it’s still hard to get right! #kidlitchat |
| 1:34 am | tristanbancks: | @LM_Preston Yes, do something different, pay a good ed and have a good marketing plan.Then it’s streets paved with gold, surely. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | LM_Preston: | @Sarahbear9789 Depends on what writer wants-if sell to pub is better deal #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | SheviStories: | @boylebob Actually, the reason it works for comics is they’ve been successfully self-pubbed since Robert Crumb in the 60s. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | EgmontGal: | @bonnieadamson interesting ques. about editor for hire. I believe they have personal integrity.Would 1 pay by hour or total job? #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | EgmontUSA: | @susankayequinn Lots of ifs. I think we’ll get there, but we’re just not there yet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | KellyDHouse: | There’s somethign to be said for turning a page. Surely there’s some motor-skills developed in that. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | hpinski: | RT @adamselzer: @SheviStories I think multimedia ebooks are part of where ebooks are headed: a genre unto themselves. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | ReadingVacation: | @SheviStories Pictures! That’s what I said at the beginning. Us kids like pictures. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | mgbuehrlen: | Dropping in to say self-pub can be a good way to raise funds.We self-pubbed a cookbook & proceeds pay for monthly web expenses. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | susankayequinn: | What about e-publishing that’s not self-pub? Romance has done it for a while – will kidlit? #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | kayeleenhamblin: | Kids are being hoodlums at my house. Gotta jet. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | stephanieruble: | RT @danidraws: Self pub in comics works b/c creators are inventive, community is strong, & fans are discerning. PB could learn. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | LM_Preston: | @emilytastic No, but there are many who self-pub who trad pub for bigger payday #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | SheviStories: | @bonnieadamson Yes, I read Vooks work very well for cookbooks, so that makes sense. #kidlitchat |
| 1:35 am | TheAsianAngel: | @adamselzer My concern is limited reader budget and poor choices. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | stephanieruble: | RT @adamselzer: @SheviStories I think multimedia ebooks are part of where ebooks are headed: a genre unto themselves. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | cjomololu: | @jackiedolamore But will they ‘look’ different in e format? #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | michellesussman: | Some writers self pub after repeated agent rejections. It’s like a Plan B. Do u want to read Plan B? #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | JessicaLeader: | Wanted to let ppl know about Jean Gralley’s work w/ePicBooks. Innovative–not just pages on screen. http://ow.ly/1DXnK #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | LM_Preston: | @KellyDHouse We say that now-but in 20 yrs our kids won’t want 10 books #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | ErinDealey: | RT @ReadingVacation: @SheviStories Pictures! That’s what I said at the beginning. Us kids like pictures. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | carolgrannick: | Great point! RT @mgbuehrlen: Self-pub can be a good way to raise funds. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | SheviStories: | Cool. I’d like that. RT @adamselzer: I think multimedia ebooks are part of where ebooks are headed: a genre unto themselves. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | tehawesomersace: | RT @michellesussman: Some writers self pub after repeated agent rejections. Its like a Plan B. Do u want to read Plan B? #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | emilytastic: | @LM_Preston Many? I don’t think it happens THAT often. I mean, it exists, but it’s like a holy grail of self-publishing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | EgmontGal: | @LM_Preston What are examples where writer had a publisher and made more money doing it himself so went to self-pubbing? #kidlitchat |
| 1:36 am | LM_Preston: | Kids will want all books on small reader #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | cjomololu: | @mgbuehrlen That is a different and viable use of self pub. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | hpinski: | I just don’t think an editor for hire is the same as one who has taken a leap of faith for your work. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | j_ro333: | #kidlitchat Self Pub – you better be charismatic as hell, sales ability, marketing – oh yeah – and you probably want a damn fine product. |
| 1:37 am | EgmontGal: | @ErinDealey yeah, and us kids like good pictures and believe me there’s an immediate dif in quality w/self pubbed picbooks #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @EgmontGal I’d hire one in a minute, like @drydenbks #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | jackiedolamore: | @cjomololu Well, the visuals of the website…or even,if on Amazon or whatever, the synopsis? People judge based on something… #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | michellesussman: | RT @hpinski: I just dont think an editor for hire is the same as one who has taken a leap of faith for your work. #kidlitchat |
| 1:37 am | LM_Preston: | I met Maggie Mei Lewis who was 16yrs & self -pub childrens book #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | sandyalonzo: | What about ebooks with author media input? Click an icon & interesting video pops up. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | amyknichols: | @EgmontGal Steve Almond just self-published a book, and then his next traditional pub book came out a month or so later. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | LM_Preston: | @emilytastic Happens a lot more than you think #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | TheAsianAngel: | I can see self-pub for non-fiction books. But a lot of fic self-pub lacks style. Prose TOO flowery, metaphors over the top… #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | bonnieadamson: | @EgmontGal Integrity would mean doing the best job of editing–but not independent assessment. #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | stephanieruble: | RT @TheAsianAngel: @adamselzer My concern is limited reader budget and poor choices. <—me too #kidlitchat |
| 1:38 am | JennBailey: | Son reading Leviathan from library. I got hooked but had to unexpectedly travel so grabbed it as an e-book. win-win. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | tristanbancks: | @stephanieruble @adamselzer @SheviStories I wonder when multimedia books will be co-funded by pubs and other media co’s #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | LM_Preston: | Here are some authors who start as self pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | bonnieadamson: | RT @michellesussman: RT @hpinski: An editor for hire is the same as one who has taken a leap of faith for your work.<–exactly #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | ErinDealey: | Agree! @EgmontGal believe me there’s an immediate dif in quality w/self pubbed picbooks #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | JessicaLeader: | Signing off. Always a pleasure! Hope others will listen to Fresh Air and chat about it tomorrow! #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | ImSarahEnni: | Would’ve had taxes done b4 April 14 then! @JessicaLeader @boylebob Maybe Jim Dale should narrate, like, everything. (Tax code) #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | emilytastic: | @LM_Preston Examples? I only know of a couple self-pubs that got picked up by major houses. Most just linger on the shelf. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | tehawesomersace: | I hope no one takes this the wrong way…but does anyone remember Barbizon Modeling School? POD feels similar to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:39 am | AudryT: | 90% of everything is crap. That’s going to apply to self-publishing just as much as anything else. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | stephanieruble: | @JennBailey How were the drawings in Leviathan (ebook)? Were they similar? Did they hold up? #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | cjomololu: | With an editor for hire, the author is paying them. A trad editor is paying the author. Big difference. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | emilytastic: | @LM_Preston I’m a former bookseller at a large indie, which is where I’ve seen a lot of self-pubbed authors trying to “make it.” #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | EgmontGal: | @LM_Preston no, my question is the other way–who left a pub to make more money self pubishing? #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | emilytastic: | @tehawesomersace YES and YES. <3 #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | cjohnsonbooks: | Wow. I’m WAY LATE to #kidlitchat tonight! |
| 1:40 am | susankayequinn: | Who thinks science fiction is making a come back in YA and MG? #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | karenrivers: | Not kidlit, but most obvious example of successful selfpub is Celestine Prophecy. But definitely exception to the rule. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | cjohnsonbooks: | RT @tehawesomersace: I hope no one takes this the wrong way…but does anyone remember Barbizon Modeling School? POD feels similar to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | danidraws: | You get a LOT of horrible kids books in self pub because more people are under the impression that kids stuff is easy. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | JennBailey: | @stephanieruble They were Brilliant!! Held up very well. The graphic quality of the Kindle is amazing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:40 am | TheAsianAngel: | Slightly off-topic, but my favorite bad metaphors http://is.gd/bKHRV #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | AmyBaskin: | @tehawesomersace #kidlitchat Agreed. Like those old mail-order diplomas in the back of magazines. |
| 1:41 am | bonnieadamson: | @colleenlindsay Would an editor for hire turn down a project she didn’t believe in, though? #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | gregpincus: | Again – forget the current stigma of self pubbing. What about hiring an editor, designer, and selling a good book independently #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | EgmontGal: | RT @tehawesomersace: I hope no one takes this the wrong way…but does anyone remember Barbizon Modeling School? POD feels similar to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | LM_Preston: | Carl Weber, Earl Sewell, A Time to Kill by John Grisham. He sold his first work out of the trunk of his car. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | stephanieruble: | @tristanbancks It will take all the parties involved to know that they will make a profit & might work like co-op advertising. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | dawnbonnevie: | #kidlitchat research: kids who have trouble reading trad. print are more successful w/ online reading- more support. Will e-readers do same? |
| 1:41 am | carolgrannick: | I hope so. RT @bonnieadamson: @colleenlindsay Would an editor for hire turn down a project she didnt believe in, though? #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | TaraLazar: | @BonnieAdamson Yes, I have to believe she has some kind of partner/editor/crit group or something for feedback/input. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | AmyBaskin: | @danidraws Sympatico. Some frighteningly bad dreck out there. #kidlitchat |
| 1:41 am | tehawesomersace: | @AmyBaskin Are you talented enough to be an artist? Draw this watermelon…EXACTLY! #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | KellyDHouse: | RT @JennBailey They were Brilliant!! Held up very well. The graphic quality of the Kindle is amazing. <– that’s good to know. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | karenrivers: | @gregpincus Would be REALLY prohibitively expensive for most, I would think. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | emilytastic: | @TheAsianAngel Jo. This list is one of the many reasons we are friends. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | EgmontGal: | @bonnieadamson That’s the ques. Eds for hire need money. They can be excellent, but…what if your book is never gonna make it? #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | stephanieruble: | @EgmontGal OMG! Barbizon Modeling School! Ha. You’re right. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | SheviStories: | @susankayequinn Dystopian and Cyberpunk are doing well, so, yes, the state of SF YA isn’t too shabby. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | LM_Preston: | @bonnieadamson There are lots of editor 4 hire with layoffs in pub industry #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | j_ro333: | @gregpincus #kidlitchat – I think this is the only way to self publish.You MUST have an editor and unless you can sell – get someone who can |
| 1:42 am | adamselzer: | @gregpincus Where does one come up with that kind of money to start with? #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | amyknichols: | @gregpincus I say if you’re going independent, then invest what it takes to make your product the best it can be. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | gregpincus: | @EgmontGal A few people have left traditional publishers. No idea if they made more, though. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | TracyClark_TLC: | True RT @j_ro333: You better be charismatic as hell, sales ability, marketing-oh yeah-and you probably want a damn fine product. #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | SheviStories: | Sadly true. RT @LM_Preston: @bonnieadamson There are lots of editor 4 hire with layoffs in pub industry #kidlitchat |
| 1:42 am | AudryT: | @gregpincus The skills of the creators determine the quality of the work, regardless of whether it’s self-pub or traditional. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | jamieharrington: | @EgmontUSA have you seen the tag reader? That thing is brilliant! #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | emilytastic: | @LM_Preston Right. It DOES happen but it’s a statistical anomaly. #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | TaraLazar: | @KatGirl_Studio Illustrator visits are so much fun. Our school had Betsy Lewin last year, she drew whatever they asked! #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | ErinDealey: | I know writers who hired editors and it hasn’t gotten them out of the slush. @cjomololu A trade editor is pub the author too! #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | LM_Preston: | Need business/marketing plan, editor and $$ #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | TheAsianAngel: | @gregpincus Depend on the editor/designer you’re working with. If it’s someone who originated in traditional publishing… #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | jmartinlibrary: | @adamselzer can’t you just lay a curse on you Satan project to foil book pirates? That would be goat-tastic. #kidlitchat #baaa |
| 1:43 am | adamselzer: | Interesting to think about the dif b/e indie movies/music vs self pubbed books… #kidlitchat |
| 1:43 am | sandyfussell: | Gotta go. Enjoyed my first #kidlitchat. See you all next week |
| 1:44 am | stephanieruble: | @JennBailey Cool. Good to know, thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | AmyBaskin: | @gregpincus Hi Greg! To answer: knowledgeable part-content creators, part-entrepreneurs, go for it! (Not for me, though.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | yachicka: | Self-pub has its place, but if it is merely a shortcut to getting pubbed, author likely took shortcuts in writing too #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @EgmontGal Great house editors are now for hire. And if you can’t get published, what a great opp to learn from an industry pro. #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | KatGirl_Studio: | RT @AudryT: The skills of the creators determine the quality of the work, regardless of whether its self-pub or traditional. #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | TheAsianAngel: | OR if it’s someone who has some sort of background in editing (not even traditional publishing) #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | WriterRoss: | I am going to get grief for this but I get ill when stores like B &N advertise signings for self-pubbed books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | michellesussman: | What abt publicity? Do self pub authors get into book fairs & industry conferences to build momentum? #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | gregpincus: | @cjomololu Yes, the reasoning is more money and control. The tradeoffs are obvious! #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | bonnieadamson: | RT @yachicka: Self-pub has its place, but if merely a shortcut to getting pubbed, author likely took shortcuts in writing too #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | hannahmosk: | RT @tehawesomersace: I hope no one takes this the wrong way…but does anyone remember Barbizon Modeling School? POD feels similar to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | tehawesomersace: | @LM_Preston John Grisham wasn’t self pubbed. He was pubbed by small indie. There’s a difference. #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | j_ro333: | #kidlitchat The fact is there will always be success stories in everything. Self pub can be done and be successful – it’s just really hard. |
| 1:44 am | SusanUhlig: | RT @WriterRoss: I am going to get grief for this but I get ill when stores like B &N advertise signings for self-pubbed books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:44 am | ErinDealey: | oops *traditional editor #kidlitchat @cjomololu |
| 1:44 am | TheAsianAngel: | Some authors make great editors too #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | jackiedolamore: | The other thing about hiring an editor…the writer has to be willing to do the work! And many self-pubbed writers aren’t… #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | KellyDHouse: | RT @yachicka: Self-pub has its place, but if it’s a shortcut to getting pubbed, author likely took shortcuts in writing too #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | AmyBaskin: | RT @yachicka: Self-pub has its place, but if it is merely a shortcut to getting pubbed, author likely took shortcuts in writing too #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | mgbuehrlen: | Here’s the cookbook I self-pubbed. I’m an editor and a designer, so I did it all myself. Sells on Amazon: http://ow.ly/1DXvw #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | LM_Preston: | @michellesussman Yep! they do. #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | SheviStories: | I know a writer who hired a freelance doctor and regretted it. Got more from her critique group (which I’m a part of). #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | TaraLazar: | @BonnieAdamson I would agree that no outside input is not a smart move. #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | gregpincus: | @adamselzer I think it’s the “takes money to make money” concept. If you own the final product, you could make it back. Could! #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | emilytastic: | @adamselzer Interesting. I’m trying to think of what makes self-pubbed books so different in this case. #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | danidraws: | RT @yachicka: Self-pub has its place, but if it is merely a shortcut to getting pubbed, author likely took shortcuts in writing too #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | ErinDealey: | I need a Tweet editor! haha #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | SusanUhlig: | I also get ill when our newspaper interviews a self-pubbed pb author – can you say a story about Dust Bunnies! #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | LM_Preston: | @WriterRoss I never could tell diff until became a writer #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | ReadingVacation: | @ErinDealey me too! #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | ErinDealey: | RT @yachicka: Self-pub has its place, but if it is merely a shortcut to getting pubbed, author likely took shortcuts in writing too #kidlitchat |
| 1:45 am | sallyrose1214: | @KatGirl_Studio hi Kat! How are you? Just thought I would ask as you asked people in #kidlitchat. |
| 1:46 am | karenrivers: | Definitely think there is a diff b/t self pub for fiction vs. nonfiction. MUCH harder to self edit your own fiction, I think. #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | jamieharrington: | I wish #kidlitchat and #glee didn’t happen at the same time. |
| 1:46 am | susankayequinn: | #kidlitchat @WriterRoss I didn’t know B&N would do signings for books they don’t sell?? |
| 1:46 am | KellyDHouse: | @SusanUhlig Oh, please no! #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | EgmontGal: | @gregpincus But so many who publish themselves say “I make more per book this way, own all the profit” but then they just lose $ #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | JennBailey: | @SusanUhlig But she’d taken art lessons in High School!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | stephanieruble: | RT @tehawesomersace: I hope no one takes this the wrong way…but does anyone remember Barbizon Modeling School? POD feels similar to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @ErinDealey hey Dust Bunnies could make a cool story #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | LM_Preston: | Funny, I didn’t care when I didn’t hang out with authors #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | tehawesomersace: | RT @karenrivers: There is a diff b/t self pub for fiction vs. nonfiction. MUCH harder to self edit your own fiction, I think. #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | SusanUhlig: | I’ve seen some very poorly self-pubbed memoirs! #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | TheAsianAngel: | Someone should do a Writer Idol…where the crap gets weeded out at the beginning #kidlitchat |
| 1:46 am | adamselzer: | Well, having done indie music/movies and published books with publishers… I only make a living off one of those. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | AuthorWilliam: | Amen! RT @amyknichols I say if you’re going independent, then invest what it takes to make your product the best it can be. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | ktubb: | I spend more time marketing than writing now. Can’t imagine increasing that % with a self-published product. And w/o bookstores? #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | danidraws: | Self pub should not be a shortcut to being published – it should be a stepping stone or a way to gain experience and audience. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | AudryT: | @cjohnsonbooks Definition of crap is subjective. 90% of my crap may include 10% you think is genius & that 10% may be self-pubd. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | LM_Preston: | Terrie McMillan’s bestseller in 1994-self –pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | michellesussman: | @TheAsianAngel They did at a recent conference. Writer’s Digest had a blog post about it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | srjohannes: | @mgbuehrlen i think self pub can work well for non fiction topics. That book looks good – my son cant have dairy either. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | ReadingVacation: | @TheAsianAngel We would need a Simon! #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | stephanieruble: | @tehawesomersace Your Barbizon line cracked me up! Accidentally responded to @EgmontGal the first time. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | LM_Preston: | @EgmontGal Not if you sell it forever U don’t #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | tehawesomersace: | @TheAsianAngel I think that’s called traditional publishing. #kidlitchat |
| 1:47 am | SusanUhlig: | Yes! Only visited our SCBWI group once! RT @KellyDHouse: @SusanUhlig Oh, please no! #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | AmyBaskin: | RT @TheAsianAngel Someone should do a Writer Idol where the crap gets weeded out at the beginning #kidlitchat Sounds like Amazon’s contest |
| 1:48 am | WriterRoss: | Or, similarly, when local paper pubs article about writer’s book (selfpubbed,often a teen) and its amazing publishing journey. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | adamselzer: | They say “never put your own money in a show.” Very true. I say the same goes for books. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | TheAsianAngel: | @ReadingVacation Oh, mos def! I’ve got a couple authors in mind. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | ErinDealey: | @TheAsianAngel Someone should do a Writer Idol…where the crap gets weeded out at the beginning #kidlitchat It’s called the Slush Pile. |
| 1:48 am | EgmontGal: | @LM_Preston True. Who are these cases? Personally the ones I know haven’t worked, but I know there are some. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | LM_Preston: | Lot’s of African American authors go this way #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | TheAsianAngel: | @tehawesomersace LOL! #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | karenrivers: | Does anyone know of a bestselling kid novel that was self-published? Can only think of adult examples. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | AudryT: | @cjohnsonbooks So while my instinct is to say self-pub has more crap, that may be subjective bias rather than concrete fact. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | EgmontGal: | @adamselzer There are 2 rules in theater. Never put your own money in a show. And NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN A SHOW! #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | LM_Preston: | They’ve proven a market for their books #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | pippinmathur: | @EgmontGal @gregpincus does it become a question of prestige vs. Potential profit? #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | gregpincus: | @EgmontGal Oh, agreed. 100% of a tiny amount of books sold is a terrible business model, at least to me. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | tehawesomersace: | @stephanieruble I totally wanted to go when I was younger…the commericals made it look so cool! #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | cjomololu: | Self pubbing to me is like buying a diploma and calling yourself a doctor. See? Anyone can be one. Yes, I’m a little bitter. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | bonnieadamson: | @srjohannes Self-pubbing is fine for targeted, niche markets that would not entice a trad. pub–I agree. #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | adamselzer: | I put my own money into music, but just cause I like to do it and don’t do it well enough ELSE to pay me #kidlitchat |
| 1:48 am | ReadingVacation: | Does anyone else like audio books besides me? #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | michellesussman: | @karenrivers Eragon #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | briaquinlan: | Agree! RT @AudryT: 90% of everything is crap. That’s going to apply to self-publishing just as much as anything else. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | adamselzer: | @karenrivers Eragon. His parents self-pubbed (at first) and made him do appearances in a beret with a big feather in it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | AmyBaskin: | RT @EgmontGal: @adamselzer There are 2 rules in theater. Never put your own money in a show. And NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN A SHOW! #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | sandyalonzo: | RT @TheAsianAngel: Someone should do a Writer Idol…where the crap gets weeded out at the beginning #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | ErikaRobuck: | @karenrivers Eragon. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | emilytastic: | @cjomololu I feel the same way. And it’s not earning me any points, either  #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | SusanUhlig: | RT @cjomololu: Self pubbing to me is like buying a diploma and calling yourself a doctor. See? Anyone can be one. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | mgbuehrlen: | @srjohannes Thanks! I thought I did a good job. We’re working on a second volume this year. I like the freedom. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | LM_Preston: | Author does not = businessperson, promoter #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | TaraLazar: | Every press release I’ve seen from a vanity press/self-pubber has made an error in promoting its book. Always broken links. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | KellyDHouse: | @SusanUhlig I bet his kids and their entire k5 class all loved the story. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | karenrivers: | @adamselzer @michellesussman Oh, good one. Yes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:49 am | ErinDealey: | lol @EgmontGal @adamselzer 2 rules in theater. Never put your own money in a show. And NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN A SHOW! #kidlitchat True! |
| 1:50 am | TheAsianAngel: | @ErinDealey Touch�! #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | KatGirl_Studio: | @adamselzer ya that’s who I was going to mention #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | WriterRoss: | @susankayequinn Maybe they do it as form of community goodwill but it’s done at my local B & N. #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | EgmontGal: | Wimpy Kid started out on line. but Eragon was self-pubbed, yes? It’s just that many many more times than not it fails #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | emilytastic: | @karenrivers Eragon was originally self-pubbed. So was Erec Rex. BOTH of these are exceptions, tho, not the rule. #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | boylebob: | @gregpincus It feels like self publishing would force me to spend far too much time doing things that I am not passionate about. #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | jmartinlibrary: | Mostly, when one donates a self pub book to my library, it’s horrible & didactic. *Grandma Takes Rainbow Kitty to The Dentist* #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | briaquinlan: | It seems like reverse is never discussed. What about all the “bad”books on the shelf thru publishers? Are they better bad books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | LM_Preston: | Lots of traditional pub books don’t sell big either #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | SusanUhlig: | AND the Vacuum cleaner store. RT @KellyDHouse: @SusanUhlig I bet his kids and their entire k5 class all loved the story. #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | moonbridgebooks: | Plenty of trad published books that end up in remainder pile, never become sellers #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | LM_Preston: | @briaquinlan AMEN! #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | bonnieadamson: | @TaraLazar Not to mention broken grammar, lol. #kidlitchat |
| 1:50 am | WriterRoss: | RT@EgmontGal:@adamselzer 2 rules in theater. Never put your own money in a show. And NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN A SHOW #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | pippinmathur: | RT @boylebob: @gregpincus It feels like self publishing would force me to spend far too much time doing things that I am not passionate about. #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | karenrivers: | With Eragon though, was he not likely edited by his parents and certainly marketed by them? #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | EgmontGal: | @jmartinlibrary oh,sigh, the dreaded donation of self-published books. Wonder how many of those books get read and by how many? #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | LM_Preston: | I live as an exception-so should others strive to be #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | emilytastic: | @EgmontGal I think what worked for Wimpy Kid was that it built a platform for Kinney. Abrams saw the genius, polished it, BAM! #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | adamselzer: | Self Publishing: it rarely leads to bigger things, and you might have to wear a beret with a big ol’ feather in it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | bonnieadamson: | @colleenlindsay Those are the ones I would trust! #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | gregpincus: | @boylebob Yes. If one is not passionate about the whole business side of things, I’d think self-pubbing would be a bad choice #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | tehawesomersace: | That is the best title EVAR! Where do I get a rainbow kitty? RT @jmartinlibrary *Grandma Takes Rainbow Kitty to The Dentist* #kidlitchat |
| 1:51 am | ktubb: | RT @boylebob: @gregpincus …Self pub would force me to spend far too much time doing things I am not passionate about. <THIS #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | michellesussman: | @karenrivers But did his parents know anything about editing? (I honestly don’t know the answer) #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | sandyalonzo: | RT @LM_Preston: Lots of traditional pub books dont sell big either–yes and the publisher loses $ not the author/ill #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | AudryT: | There is a self-pubbing model that is successful, popular, and turns out great product–in Japan. It’s called doujinshi. #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | jackiedolamore: | I have to say I have never, personally, come across a self-pubbed fiction that was readable, but I have seen it free on blogs. #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | hpinski: | These days? You have to self-promote. RT @LM_Preston: Author does not = businessperson, promoter #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | michellesussman: | RT @adamselzer: Self Pubbing: it rarely leads to bigger things, and you might have to wear a beret with a big ol feather in it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | tristanbancks: | RT @boylebob It feels like self publishing would force me to spend far too much time doing things that I am not passionate about #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | susankayequinn: | @WriterRoss How do you know they are self-pub at the B&N? By the ISBN? or do they say “Hey! I’m self-pub!” #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | ktubb: | @adamselzer The feather-in-his-cap image cracks me up. *hums yankee doodle* #kidlitchat |
| 1:52 am | emilytastic: | My advice, as a bookseller, if you’re going to self-pub: HIRE a designer, an editor, and a designer who aren’t related to you. #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | EgmontGal: | If u have a career on the lecture circuit and can sell your book at many events a year, that’s a reason to consider self pub’ing #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | gregpincus: | So, does anyone in here think that eBooks and Apps will be a viable market in kids books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | LM_Preston: | Self pub author: W.E.B. DuBois #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | mikemaihack: | @DaniDraws i can’t even comprehend how self pub can be a shortcut for ANYthing. it’s a ton of work! #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | boylebob: | RT @adamselzer: Self Pub: it rarely leads to bigger things, and you might have to wear a beret with a big ol feather in it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | LM_Preston: | Author writes but Publishing is business. Can you sell? #kidlitchat |
| 1:53 am | michellesussman: | @gregpincus Absolutely. Both my 4 yr old and 8 yr old use apps on my iPhone for reading #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | hpinski: | Yes. RT @gregpincus: So, does anyone in here think that eBooks and Apps will be a viable market in kids books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | AmyBaskin: | Self-publishing scares me. I need an editor to keep me from saying, “Look! I made a poopie!” to the world. #kidlitchat Know I’m not alone. |
| 1:54 am | bonnieadamson: | @gregpincus yes–concept pbs make great apps: alphabet, counting, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | TheAsianAngel: | @adamselzer There’s an idea for a Successories motivational poster! #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | LM_Preston: | @mikemaihack Lol! True, but so is being an author #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | karenrivers: | @michellesussman Don’t know, just speculating, but they did something right! Also think he is exceptional regardless. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | amyknichols: | @AudryT What is doujinshi? Can you explain? #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | LM_Preston: | @mikemaihack Just 2 diff jobs #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | JennBailey: | @gregpincus I think if they embrace/include other media like The Amanda Project. Just seems a natural fit – an evolution. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | TheAsianAngel: | Apps, yes. Ebooks, meh. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | jamesburksart: | @gregpincus I say definitely. Once e readers are cheaper and able to display color. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | LM_Preston: | @gregpincus Not for a long while #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | SpellboundBkshp: | RT @emilytastic: My advice, as a bookseller, if you’re going to self-pub: HIRE a designer, an editor, and a designer who aren’t related to you. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | WriterRoss: | @susankayequinn You are right in that general buyers may not know but I will check out title– and I do know. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | jackiedolamore: | @AudryT Are many successful doujinshi nonillustrated original stories (not fan fic) and not erotic?(maybe they are,I dont know.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | sandyalonzo: | @susankayequinn Just look at the publisher’s name. It’s pretty obvious which are self-pub! #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | jmartinlibrary: | @tehawesomersace isn’t it dreadful and awesome at the same time?!! Ha #kidlitchat try buying it at drivel.com |
| 1:54 am | SheviStories: | G’night. Thanks for the chat, everyone! #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | mgbuehrlen: | Of course, mine’s a cookbook, not a novel. But still, quality will always be a concern, especially if there’s no editor. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | dawnbonnevie: | @gregpincus yes. #kidlitchat |
| 1:54 am | LM_Preston: | @EgmontGal Also, may get you a deal with large pub #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | emilytastic: | @AudryT I think that the inherent sense of design is part of what makes self-pubbed comics work more often. #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | amyknichols: | @gregpincus I think in time both will have an impact on the kidlit market. #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | KPG_PR: | RT @moonbridgebooks: Plenty of trad published books that end up in remainder pile, never become sellers #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | jimhill: | Amen. RT @emilytastic: if youre going to self-pub: HIRE a designer, an editor, and a designer who arent related to you. #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | michellesussman: | @karenrivers I “heard” that what we read in the trad. pub. edition is edited A LOT over his self pub version #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | moonbridgebooks: | @AudryT re doujinshi self-pub in Japan: lot of it is manga, magazines, maybe poetry #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | pippinmathur: | @gregpincus yes, and in addition to traditional. My daughter reads books on my phone and irl. Neither better, just different #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | susankayequinn: | @hpinski Agree, but in about 10years So,does anyone in here think that eBooks and Apps will be a viable market in kids books? #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | AudryT: | A world-wide best-selling series that made more $ “self-pubbed” than by an established pub. house? ELFQUEST. #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | tristanbancks: | Anyone willing to venture a prediction on when children (under 12) will start regularly reading books on ereaders. #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | stephanieruble: | Time to go now. Good night all and thanks to @bonnieadamson and @gregpincus for the great chat! #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | jmartinlibrary: | @EgmontGal if they aren’t good, I don’t adopt them. Three cheers for a solid selection policy! #kidlitchat |
| 1:55 am | LM_Preston: | @hpinski Yes, sometimes author’s forget that #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | karenrivers: | @michellesussman Really? Well, I guess that just backs the case even more: self pubbed books need editors. Period. #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | michellesussman: | @tristanbancks As soon as I can afford an iPad for myself and kids. I’d encourage e-reading quality material. #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | bonnieadamson: | @StephanieRuble G’night, Stephanie. #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | TheAsianAngel: | @kellyhashway Is there really? Fascinating! #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | tehawesomersace: | Ebooks and apps are very much a viable market. Even Nick Jr. has jumped on the app bandwagon. Good sign. #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | boylebob: | @gregpincus Yes! eBooks are going to be wonderful! And different! They will expand on a printed book. #kidlitchat |
| 1:56 am | LM_Preston: | @michellesussman I see pub books on my reader in bad shape #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | moonbridgebooks: | Big prob with self-pub kidlit is important reviewers wont touch it so schools and libraries wont either #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | yachicka: | Wow – this hour went fast! #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | michellesussman: | PBS kids has many great educational apps too #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | TaraLazar: | @BonnieAdamson I used to work in PR so like to keep up with PB press releases. I want to find out more, but typically can’t. #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | LM_Preston: | @tristanbancks Give it about 15yrs-us oldies out the picture #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | ErinDealey: | Thanks @BonnieAdamson & @gregpincus Next week I’ll check in sooner. Happy #kidlitchat to all! |
| 1:57 am | cheriwilliams: | @gregpincus The new Game Boy is supposed to have an e-reader built in. #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | AmyBaskin: | @GregPincus RE: eBooks and Apps for kidbooks- yep, they’ll be viable. But what of the planned obsolescence of the devices? #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | hpinski: | The sign of a great topic! RT @yachicka: Wow – this hour went fast! #kidlitchat |
| 1:57 am | TheAsianAngel: | @emilytastic Aww. Hehe! Hugs!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | jmartinlibrary: | RT @moonbridgebooks: Big prob with self-pub kidlit is important reviewers wont touch it so schools and libraries wont either #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | tehawesomersace: | Night all! Thanks for the wonderful chat. #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | jackiedolamore: | @AudryT Well, comics are just such a different story. Elfquest, Bone, Thieves and Kings…many wonderful series. #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | TheAsianAngel: | @michellesussman Oooh. Must find this article! #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | jmartinlibrary: | @moonbridgebooks YES! What you said. #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | ktubb: | Thanks for a great chat, as always! Night, all #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | TaraLazar: | @BonnieAdamson And if I–someone who is working in the industry–can’t find out more, the average consumer won’t be able to. #kidlitchat |
| 1:58 am | boylebob: | Publishers may pick certain key books to spend a lot of money on much like a big summer movie. #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | jackiedolamore: | (I’m not dissing self-pubbing by the way, I actually think it could be a great option for people with unusual work.) #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | AudryT: | 1) So many doujinshi ?s now! Doujinshi: Self-pub illustrated works in Japan. Genres: All genres, both originals & fanfic. #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | EgmontGal: | @jmartinlibrary I know, self pub’d and donated to libraries etc…where do those books end up? And they’re bad, I know #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | michellesussman: | @TheAsianAngel I just read it today so it’s got to be easy to find. Will see if I can locate it. #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | LM_Preston: | Goodnight. It was fun #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | TheAsianAngel: | @michellesussman Thank you!! #kidlitchat |
| 1:59 am | brian_shearer: | @mikemaihack @DaniDraw yeah, I’ve done the self-publishing thing in comics too. Definitely a metric crapload of work. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | pippinmathur: | @boylebob read thebook, play the game, download the app and see the movie next year! #kidlitchat package deals |
| 2:00 am | TheAsianAngel: | @jackiedolamore You say “unusual” work. Define? #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | emilytastic: | What gets to me abt a lot of self-pubbed kidlit is that many view writing a kids bk as the easy version of writing a grownup bk. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | amyknichols: | @AudryT Thanks for the info. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | AudryT: | 2) Doujinshi can be so successful that some famous manga-ka (artists) continue to make more $ off it than thru major pubs. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | bonnieadamson: | @TaraLazar Good point.. I like to check a book’s “bona fides,” too. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | mgbuehrlen: | @cjomololu Works for us. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | jamesburksart: | I agree RT @jackiedolamore: Im not dissing self-pubbing, I actually think it could be a great option for people w/ unusual work. #kidlitchat |
| 2:00 am | mgbuehrlen: | @carolgrannick Thanks! #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | EgmontUSA: | @emilytastic I know what you mean. But writing for kids, in many ways, is more challenging. #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | AudryT: | 3) Some successful doujinshi is poetry & fiction w/little or no illustration. But they have a model in place & devoted audience #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | bonnieadamson: | @emilytastic Oooh . . . grrr: kid’s books “easier.” #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | JennBailey: | Thanks @gregpincus and @bonnieadamson AND HUGE YIPPEE and ATTA BOY to @gregpincus for his #scbwiLA gig. You will ROCK! #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | emilytastic: | @TheAsianAngel @jackiedolamore By unusual are we maybe talking like super-niche markets? Because I agree. #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | tristanbancks: | Thanks for a great #kidlitchat Cheers @bonnieadamson and @gregpincus. I like this @cheriwilliams: New Game Boy with e-reader built in! |
| 2:01 am | EgmontGal: | @jackiedolamore Can you say more about what kind of books would work self pubbing wise? cause rt now I don’t get it. #kidlitchat |
| 2:01 am | AmyBaskin: | Thanks and goodnight, everyone! #kidlitchat Great topic, @BonnieAdamson and @GregPincus. |
| 2:01 am | ReadingVacation: | Good night. #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | AudryT: | 4) And I think the most important thing about doujinshi’s success is that it cleverly PANDERS to a KNOWN & FAMILIAR audience. #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | KellyDHouse: | @EgmontGal That app: Witty Bit Worlds ABCs. Not sure of the sales figs – will see if she knows #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | adamselzer: | For me, the younger the audience, the harder the writing. Your mileage may vary. #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | jmartinlibrary: | @EgmontGal they are sent back or if the originator won’t take back, they go t file 13. I don’t put whatever out, willy nilly. #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | boylebob: | It all starts w/a story.RT @pippinmathur: @boylebob read thebook, play the game, download the app and see the movie next year! #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | emilytastic: | @EgmontUSA Exactly. I also used to have customers tell me they were going to write a kids book b/c there weren’t any good ones. #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | bonnieadamson: | RT @JennBailey: HUGE YIPPEE and ATTA BOY to @gregpincus for his #scbwiLA gig. You will ROCK #kidlitchat |
| 2:02 am | EgmontGal: | Oh darn, thanks to discussion of self-pubbing I have more spam followers telling me I can sell stuff than ever before. #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | LM_Preston: | @tehawesomersace Grisham bought the remaindingcopies, which he sold himself #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | EgmontGal: | @jmartinlibrary Of course. I want my library to be selective and offer me what’s good. Just like a publisher dos. #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | srjohannes: | @EgmontGal already?man they are fast! #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | pippinmathur: | @boylebob a great story can spawn all of these things. #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | amyknichols: | Yes! This> RT@RT @JennBailey: HUGE YIPPEE and ATTA BOY to @gregpincus for his #scbwiLA gig. You will ROCK #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | boylebob: | Yep! RT @jackiedolamore: Im not dissing self-pubbing, I actually think it could be a great option for people w/ unusual work. #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | EgmontGal: | @KellyDHouse kelly, thanks! I am going to look it up. I would like to see it, imagine it as a board book, etc. #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | SusanUhlig: | RT @JennBailey: HUGE YIPPEE and ATTA BOY to @gregpincus for his #scbwiLA gig. You will ROCK! #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | EgmontUSA: | @EgmontGal Oh me too. Sigh. #kidlitchat |
| 2:03 am | SusanUhlig: | RT @JennBailey: Thanks @gregpincus and @bonnieadamson #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | jmartinlibrary: | @adamselzer amen!! I hate the assumption that books for kids are easy to write. Kidlit takes precision & uncommon skill. #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | pussreboots: | @EgmontGal How do they determine what’s good? Libraries need to provide wide range of books to serve community. #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | TheAsianAngel: | Yes, go Greg! The conference is going to RAWK. RT @JennBailey: HUGE YIPPEE and ATTA BOY to @gregpincus for his #scbwiLA gig. #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | TracyClark_TLC: | @gregpincus Yes. SO looking forward to seeing you at SCBWI LA! Awesome! #kidlitchat |
| 2:04 am | kellybarnhill: | Rats! Missed #kidlitchat again! I hope the conversation was as scintillating as always. Cheers all! |
| 2:04 am | srjohannes: | @EgmontUSA @EgmontGal where? on twitter? #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | amyknichols: | Time to get kids to bed. Thanks for another great chat, everyone. Good night. #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | emilytastic: | @kellybarnhill There was much debate! Sad you missed it. *sigh* #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | EgmontGal: | @TheAsianAngel Hey, guys, go to the Golden Kite luncheon and hear @Allenzadoff (egmont author) accept Fleischman award #scbwila #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | susankayequinn: | @TheAsianAngel Can’t wait for Greg and #sbcwiLA My first time going! #kidlitchat |
| 2:05 am | gregpincus: | Thanks to everyone for keeping the emotions out of #kidlitchat tonight. Tricky topic with many layers. Thanks to all! |
| 2:05 am | srjohannes: | @emilytastic yes that pisses me off…. #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | WhatIFWe: | What if we: @Sarahbear9789 Depends on what writer wants-if sell to pub is better deal #kidlitchat: @Sarahbear9789 … http://bit.ly/bEQHcU |
| 2:06 am | TheAsianAngel: | Will be there! RT @EgmontGal: Go to Golden Kite luncheon and hear @Allenzadoff (egmont author) accept Fleischman award #scbwila #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | srjohannes: | RT @EgmontGal:Hey, guys, go to the Golden Kite luncheon and hear @Allenzadoff (egmont author) accept Fleischman award #scbwila #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | EgmontGal: | @EgmontUSA Alison, your white on black logo photo feels so severe. maybe we can work on something in our copious free time! #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | AudryT: | @EgmontUSA @Egmontgal Egmont got a shout-out at LATFOB this weekend. Wish I remembered which (male) author publicly thanked u. #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | gregpincus: | And thanks to all for the LA good wishes. I’m quite excited! #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | boylebob: | @EgmontGal I think that graphic novels have the best chance in SP. #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | emilytastic: | @gregpincus It is a tricky topic. And some of us are, um, more opinionated than others. #imniceiswear! #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | WriterRoss: | @pussreboots Our wonderful, well-known local independent has a round table set up promoting “Local Independent Authors.” #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | TheAsianAngel: | @susankayequinn You’re going to have so much fun at SCBWI LA! Look for me if you need someone to know! #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | jackiedolamore: | @EgmontGal Well, like, I have a friend who wrote a very entertaining but very ODD soap opera. I can’t imagine any trad. pub… #kidlitchat |
| 2:06 am | EgmontUSA: | @EgmontGal There’s a teal version, but it wasn’t as nice. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | mumfusa: | i concur. RT @jamieharrington I wish #kidlitchat and #glee didn’t happen at the same time. |
| 2:07 am | bonnieadamson: | @taralazar People are not aware that self-pubbing is a very narrow option. And so many are misled by vanity presses–it’s cruel. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | jackiedolamore: | @EgmontGal …touching it, but could see it getting word-of-mouth cult internet following. (well, she put them free on a blog… #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | EgmontUSA: | @AudryT That would be @allenzadoff. @Egmontgal is his very clever editor. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | jackiedolamore: | @EgmontGal …and had that, but, I wish I had the stories in book form, myself. Blogs can be hard to keep up with. #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | EgmontGal: | @jackiedolamore yeah, b ut who would buy that POD either? #kidlitchat |
| 2:07 am | ReadingVacation: | Greg – I just like books. And the library. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | pippinmathur: | RT @bonnieadamson: @taralazar People are not aware that self-pubbing is a very narrow option. And so many are misled by vanity presses–it’s cruel. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | TheAsianAngel: | @EgmontGal And I should say congrats on the Sid Fleischman award, too! #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | emilytastic: | @TheAsianAngel You’ll have to live tweet it for those of us stuck here in Austin. Not that ATX isn’t awesome. It’s pretty fab #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | Mdesmondobrien: | RT @emilytastic: What gets to me abt a lot of self-pubbed kidlit is that many view writing a kids bk as the easy version of writing a grownup bk. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | susankayequinn: | @TheAsianAngel@susankayequinnYou‘re going to have so much fun at SCBWI LA!Look for me if you need someone to know!#kidlitchat I WILL!Thanks! |
| 2:08 am | jackiedolamore: | @EgmontGal I doubt hardly anyone would make a LIVING on that, but I’m talking more for artistic fulfillment. #kidlitchat |
| 2:08 am | WriterRoss: | I know that’s code for self-pubbed but one or two copies per title is a nice thing, giving back to community #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | boylebob: | Good night, all! #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | AudryT: | Vanity presses make me want to <censored.> I hate to see people’s hopes and dreams ransacked for profit. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | TheAsianAngel: | @emilytastic The Austin crew will be thinking of our hometown posse! And will definitely tweet. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | gregpincus: | @emilytastic I love the opinions. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | jackiedolamore: | @EgmontGal I would’ve bought it! It was a great story! Anyway, she moved to self-pubbed comics instead. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | KellyDHouse: | G’night everyone. Time to go read a book made from a tree before I sleep on a pillow plucked from a goose. #kidlitchat |
| 2:09 am | WriterRoss: | But yes: when the stores/news media conflate vanity press bks with traditional bks, something seems wrong. #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | gregpincus: | @craicer I agree – marketing remains a huge issue. And quality which traditional publishers do deliver, too #kidlitchat |
| 2:10 am | bonnieadamson: | Goodnight, all–thanks for a wonderfully civil chat! #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | WriterRoss: | RT People are not aware that self-pubbing is a very narrow option. And so many are misled by vanity presses–its cruel. #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | jamieharrington: | @EgmontGal @EgmontUSA plus you can’t read the egmont in tiny tweetdeck icons #kidlitchat |
| 2:11 am | gregpincus: | Special thanks to all the agents and editors for weighing in on a topic that often makes them the “bad guys.” They aren’t! #kidlitchat |
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